The Anglo Irish Tapes

AnOrdinaryJoe

For Forks Sake wrote: »

I'm quoting this, purely so that you have the opportunity to provide some evidence???

All anyone has to do is 'google' the words 'HSBC', 'Lord Green' and if you know the name of the current 100% taxpayer owned pillar bank....... and see what comes up...... it's all there.

wexie

I think one of the reasons there isn't as much outrage as there should be is a lot of people simply don't comprehend the sheer scale of the numbers being talked about.

Talk about 40 billion and a lot of people's eyes just glaze over a bit and they go :yeah that's really loads.

If you then put it in perspective and tell them that's the same as 100,000 euro off 40,000 mortgages you can see their eyes widening, the penny dropping and the outrage forming.

Cause that's what we're talking about, for Anglo alone! 100,000 euro paid off of 40,000 mortgages, or 10,000 euro for every man woman and child in Ireland. (give or take)

Never mind the rest of the bailout.

And while you could argue that some of it 'may' have been necessary it makes my blood boil that SCUMBAGS like these are still out and about living the good life.

Never having to worry about where they're going to get new shoes for their kids, college fees, holidays. Never have to loose any sleep over what the next budget might bring, will they be able to heat the house properly this winter.

If we have another winter like 2010 it's almost guaranteed people will die because of the current economic circumstances and not 'just' homeless people, regular (formerly) middle class people that simply have been dealt a rough deal by scum like this and the complete and utter ineptitude of our spineless and gutless politicians.

And what's sad is that the prospect of something like that worries me, but when I think about it I realise that these 'people' couldn't possibly care less whether or not they've been part of destroying people's lives, peoples livelihood, as long as they, and theirs are looked after all will be well.

It amazes and saddens me that human refuse like this can go around with their heads held up.

If any of them would actually stand up like a man and said :

"yes.....I ****ed up, I understand it was wrong but I was doing what I thought was best to save the company, I'm really very sorry"

I might actually have a small measure of respect for it. Instead they go around like it's their birthright to live off the backs of the regular Joe. Makes me sick.

I would personally applaud people taking matters into their own hands at this stage. Would be interesting to see how a jury of our 'peers' would judge that case...

TheUsual

If Del Boy ran a Bank. It would be called Anglo Irish.

tayto lover

If people just stopped paying their mortgages tomorrow in protest at all this I wonder what the outcome would be?

AnOrdinaryJoe

AnOrdinaryJoe wrote: »

All anyone has to do is 'google' the words 'HSBC', 'Lord Green' and if you know the name of the current 100% taxpayer owned pillar bank....... and see what comes up...... it's all there.

Oh....... and read Private Eye magazine on a regular basis (which if anyone wishes to get a true picture regarding the level of corruption, etc which is going on and which for various reasons, often an agenda connected to the owners of certain newspapers, etc, often due to 'connections' the proprietors, etc have with others, sometimes those 'others' being the same parties central to the corruption in question, or close to those parties.

Example: Rupert Murdoch's newspapers weren't exactly the newspapers who were 'big' on reporting re the phone hacking scandal, News of the World reporters being central to the scandal, the NotW of course owned by...... Rupert Murdoch.

And there are lots of these sorts of 'scenarios'.

We are living in a time of unprecedented sharp practice, corruption and crime...... and yet, if we take the banking sector as one example...... not one of the feckers has been charged with anything, never mind jailed.

Bozo Skeleton

Disgusting.
I can't believe I'm feeling some sympathy for Cowen and Lenihan after this revelation.
I still think anyone still involved with Fianna Fail should be ashamed of themselves.

keano_afc

Current topic on the VB show. Fionnan Sheehan just tore Vinny a new one.

For Forks Sake

Bozo Skeleton wrote: »

Disgusting.
I can't believe I'm feeling some sympathy for Cowen and Lenihan after this revelation.
I still think anyone still involved with Fianna Fail should be ashamed of themselves.

I think the fact that it's the Indo (and their FF-favouring political editor) leaking this is an attempt to curry sympathy for FF.

Now the imbeciles can now go "see, we didn't banjax the country with our giveaway budgets and utterly unsustainable tax collection policies, it was those big bad bankers fooled us"...and the idiot voters will think "aw poor FF, it wasn't really their fault, it's ok to vote for them again"

Now, may I be proved right, or forever be banished to the Conspiracy Theories forum.

AnOrdinaryJoe

And for anyone who might want another laugh...... get this.....

Excerpt below from AIB (First Trust) Corporate & Social Responsibility Statement

‘This Code is a summary of the key standards for expected behaviour and conduct that apply to all AIB staff.......'

We are expected to exercise sound judgement, act honestly, fairly and with integrity in all our actions’

‘The Code isn't about simply meeting the letter of the law. That's a given. It's about demonstrating and delivering on the AIB Behaviours and re-establishing AIB as a trusted contributor to society’

David Duffy, Chief Executive David Hodgkinson, Chairman May 2012

I'm not sure if previous 'linkage' to the likes of money laundering for Mexican drug cartels is deemed in AIB 'speak' to have anything to do with 'expected behaviour and conduct' or 'behaviours' in being a 'trusted contributor to society' sort of way, and 'acting honestly, fairly (unless perhaps you happen to be a Mexican) and with integrity' ? It should...... but I'm not sure that it does...... and neithe too it would appear does the Central Bank with it's 'casual' attitude towards 'fitness and probity'. Aaaaaaah..... the world inhabited by the bankers and the regulators is a strange world indeed.

For Forks Sake

Also, there may be an source of funds out of this : http://www.thepotato.ie/2013/06/anglo-tapes-john-bowes-arse-to-be-mined-for-additional-funds/

Mardy Bum

For Forks Sake wrote: »

I think the fact that it's the Indo (and their FF-favouring political editor) leaking this is an attempt to curry sympathy for FF.

Now the imbeciles can now go "see, we didn't banjax the country with our giveaway budgets and utterly unsustainable tax collection policies, it was those big bad bankers fooled us"...and the idiot voters will think "aw poor FF, it wasn't really their fault, it's ok to vote for them again"

Now, may I be proved right, or forever be banished to the Conspiracy Theories forum.

Unfortunately I too believe that this will be used by Fianna Fail as a get out of jail card in the next election.

AnOrdinaryJoe

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Also, there may be an source of funds out of this : http://www.thepotato.ie/2013/06/anglo-tapes-john-bowes-arse-to-be-mined-for-additional-funds/

Brilliant 'For Forks Sake'...... just brilliant !

listermint

Mardy Bum wrote: »

Unfortunately I too believe that this will be used by Fianna Fail as a get out of jail card in the next election.

Possibly, but if Kenny played it right he could come out looking extremely tough and strong. It wouldnt take much to look like superman in all this with a bit of back bone.

awec

johnty56 wrote: »

Why don't people take to the streets? The ****ers in charge realise that the world is changing, and they won't be able to keep passing the jobs around between themselves and their families like they have been doing since the foundations of the state and now all pretence of fairness is gone.. they really don't give a fuk anymore, they are knee deep in the trough trying to get as much as they can.. to get as rich as they and their families can whilst the chance is in it..


People need to get out on the streets, day in day out until they do something. even a small thing like having these two ****ers arrested and charged with something, anyone of a number of offences which they must be guilty of would be a start, a move in the right direction.. they are afraid to make this move in case people expect it to take on a momentum and lead to real change in the way Ireland is run, and they would have to relinquish control.. come on to fuk, look at Dail Eireann.. half of them are inbred ****wits who are only there because its the family business..

I suggest a protest, either in front of the home of Bowe, the worst of them, or Dail Eireann on Friday or Saturday this week...

If you could keep trade unions, the loony left and tree hugging student types away from this sort of action you would probably get more people involved.

But that would be impossible and people really have little interest in being associated with such groupings.

TheFOB

listermint wrote: »

Possibly, but if Kenny played it right he could come out looking extremely tough and strong. It wouldnt take much to look like superman in all this with a bit of back bone.

His response today was very weak tbh. RTE News coverage of it was piss poor too.

dickwod1

Quote:
Originally Posted by dickwod1
My blood is boiling over this, these knobs have me and the rest of the country in the crappy position were in now ...

Did you hear the reporter on the six one news that was talking to Sharon Ní Bheoláin trying to justify/play down what was said on the tapes

Why?

Quote:
Originally Posted by dickwod1
This "reporter" on the six one news http://www.rte.ie/playerxl/#v=10159563 at 5.30 is making me mad ... Why is he trying to play down this?

LionelNashe wrote: »

I don't think he is. What he's describing is serious; he's not playing anything down.

Did you not listen to him???

He keeps saying "what I think in reality what happened was ..." and loads of excuses and a totally different explanation to what everyone else thinks/knows - He almost seems to be defending them and their actions

"I picked the 7 BILLION figure out of my arse"

"This is €7billion bridging. So you know, it is bridged until we can pay you back ... which is never!"

I believe is what Bowe/Fitzgerald actually said while pissing themselves laughing.

But not according to this "reporter"

Bozo Skeleton

For Forks Sake wrote: »

I think the fact that it's the Indo (and their FF-favouring political editor) leaking this is an attempt to curry sympathy for FF.

Now the imbeciles can now go "see, we didn't banjax the country with our giveaway budgets and utterly unsustainable tax collection policies, it was those big bad bankers fooled us"...and the idiot voters will think "aw poor FF, it wasn't really their fault, it's ok to vote for them again"

Now, may I be proved right, or forever be banished to the Conspiracy Theories forum.

Fianna Fail are already the most popular party in the land again, according to a recent poll, are Irish people really that stupid? It seems so. I think ultimately it'll be the Shinners who'll benefit from this.
EDIT. Fine Gael are odious, I'd hate to think someone might think I'm a FG troller.

wexie

listermint wrote: »

Possibly, but if Kenny played it right he could come out looking extremely tough and strong. It wouldnt take much to look like superman in all this with a bit of back bone.

and therein lies the rub....

Joekers

http://ie.linkedin.com/pub/john-bowe/35/8bb/a55 This the **** ?

charlemont

tayto lover wrote: »

If people just stopped paying their mortgages tomorrow in protest at all this I wonder what the outcome would be?

That would be the best and most efficient way to deal with it, It wouldn't result in much violence either but it really hit the banks where it hurts..And it is very do-able, And if the Guards refused to help evict people as a show of solidarity then there isn't much the banks could do bar negotiate with the people, The same people they have fúcked over..

cfc.forever

Well as we all know unless your living in mars, secret recordings between two senior executives in Anglo Irish Bank were released by the Irish Independent. Government officals have claimed there will be an enquiry, hopefully before the summer break.

In my opinion, there is questions to be answered. How did the Irish Independent get these tapes? Isn't this not commiting a crime and be some sort of phone-hacking or inside-job, do we know the full story?

We will never know what happened until the full enquiry occurs but I think the Irish Independent should be actively involved, as they may be commiting a crime themselves. I don't think a massaive fine willl be enough for these banks, and I think theres more to it than we know.

What do you think of all this nonsense?

- cfc.forever

coolhull

dj jarvis wrote: »

actually - it was 30 billion that anglo got

These guys really need to be hauled in and locked down , along with a good few others

it was 34 billion, far as I know. But 30 billion, 34 billion, sure what's a few billion among friends?!

Wurly

No-one will bother their holes taking this to the streets. Everyone will just sit and moan behind closed doors like good little Paddies.

We seem to forget that we are the government's employers. WE call the shots. But we just let them walk all over us. I am sick to death of people saying that protesting will do no good. Oh right, but sitting on your hole will???

I have taken part in many protests regarding the financial mess. Whenever I posted about it on here, I was told I was a 'do gooder' and a 'crusty'. Or whatever f*cking inane names are pandered about for people that actually stand up and try to change the situation.

Yes, Anglo are c*nts. Yes the government are w@nkers. But we, my friends are worse! We are allowing this to happen!!! We are continuing to allow it. Look at the protests in France, Brazil etc. No one seems to give a sh1te about their children's future or their father's pension, never mind their own quality of life!

This is a mindset that I will never ever understand. Are we that easily brainwashed that we can put our fingers in our ears and somehow believe that this is okay? It is NOT okay! We will be the generation that sat back and did nothing! Our forefathers must be turning in their f*cking graves!

Sickening what Anglo and the government did. But the most sickening thing of all is our inaction.

OU812

tayto lover wrote: »

If people just stopped paying their mortgages tomorrow in protest at all this I wonder what the outcome would be?

Would be great, but would never happen. Too many people would say they would, then pay it on the sly.

PizzamanIRL

No trial. Just round the bastards up and shoot them.

For Forks Sake

What, the 20 page thread on this page not enough discussion of it for you?

Sergeant

keano_afc wrote: »

Current topic on the VB show. Fionnan Sheehan just tore Vinny a new one.

Vincent Browne has had nothing interesting to say in over 40 years. A frustrated champagne-socialist going on about whatever pops up on the list of righteous causes.

He's the Dunphy of Current Affairs - only without the wit.

charlemont

..

For Forks Sake

charlemont wrote: »

O.P sounds like he wants to shoot the messenger.. Sure just close down newspapers altogether, Them pesky reporters hassling our overlords..:rolleyes:

messenger in this case is Paul 'The Bollix' Williams. Could be a long queue...

nelly17

cfc.forever wrote: »

Well as we all know unless your living in mars, secret recordings between two senior executives in Anglo Irish Bank were released by the Irish Independent. Government officals have claimed there will be an enquiry, hopefully before the summer break.

In my opinion, there is questions to be answered. How did the Irish Independent get these tapes? Isn't this not commiting a crime and be some sort of phone-hacking or inside-job, do we know the full story?

We will never know what happened until the full enquiry occurs but I think the Irish Independent should be actively involved, as they may be commiting a crime themselves. I don't think a massaive fine willl be enough for these banks, and I think theres more to it than we know.

What do you think of all this nonsense?

- cfc.forever

Was wondering how come someone even taped these conversations in the first instance myself.