The Anglo Irish Tapes

TheFOB

aloyisious wrote: »

Well, one idea would be to have a weekday protest organized by Joe Higgins TD at the IBRC offices to ask them why they employed the two gents involved in the story, given their Anglo involvement.

Regardless of how angry I am at Anglo I wouldn't be caught dead with a communist like Joe Higgins.

AnOrdinaryJoe

It is evident to me that there are people on this thread who haven't the faintest idea of what it is like for the bankers, how difficult it is and how stressed it makes one, when having to decide whether to take ones massive bonus on top of ones humungous salary, having to decide whether to stick two fingers or just a single finger up to to the nation, whether to tell the nation to go feck yourselves or go **** yourselves...... you people have no idea.

Do any of you realise for instance how difficult it is deciding which Las Vegas knocking shop one should visit when on bank business, and to make things even more complicated and stressful, to decide which one, or several of the female personnel should benefit from ones exalted company, whether to go blonde or brunette... or both ?

Bankers cannot make proper considered decisions for the good of the customers and of the nation if they are not in the right frame of mind i.e. relaxed, yet when one goes to the effort of putting himself in that zone, a position which should be regarded as beneficial to the Irish nation..... he gets sacked..... sorry resigns.

It's not as if a banker cynically made an effort to hide his 'internet surfing activities' from his bank, no a banker used his bank computer, thereby if nothing else demonstrating that his relaxation method enquiries were bank / work related and thus relevant to the high pressure responsibilities and activities aligned to 'the job' (the main job as opposed to 'on the job',even if that was 'the job' connected).

And then, to make things even more complicated..... do any of you even have the remotest idea about how difficult it is to spend the humungous pension following such a departure ?

Probably not..... and yet some of you have the gall to make out that you are hard done by.

Some of you have no idea about what some of the bankers get up to, sorry, have to put up with !

Next some of you will be saying that hard drugs are bad for you...... sorry, bad for other people, and that banks and banker types shouldn't be laundering money for the likes of Mexican drug cartels !

I feckin' hate these sort of double standards.

SpaceTime

There's a vast spectrum of society who are angry about this, I think it's time we all stood together and stop seeing it as a left/right thing.

We're all Irish and these guys are laughing at us!

Listening to some of the morning talk shows here and wow, I don't think I've ever heard it quite so angry.

Could this actually be the final straw?
What these tapes have done is put a very abstract load of banking jargon into simple language.

When you strip away the big building, the jargon and the economists, it's just two lads laughing at us on the phone!

EdCastle

PlainP wrote: »

What can I do?

Who can I contact?

Where will my voice be heard......

Nothing.

No one.

No where.

The best advise is to continue on with your life, none of this will matter when you're departed.

nino1

steddyeddy wrote: »

My uncle helped start the civil rights movement in the north in the face of deaths and danger to his life.

That's great what your uncle did, so what protests have YOU organised or participated in here?

Toosey

No I do not want to do nothing I want my pound of flesh ... This was the last straw ...

geeksauce

There wont be any protests at all, Irish people dont protest, they talk about how we should all protest but when it comes to actually turning up and marching they are too busy, either "oh I have to work", or "I have nobody to mind the kids that day", or "its raining"

Lord Trollington

skimpydoo wrote: »

Have the protest on a Saturday no excuse then for not turning up.

If its on a Saturday I'll go. No problem with that.

I'll even bring a pitch fork.

P. Breathnach

PlainP wrote: »

...
What can I do?

Who can I contact?

Where will my voice be heard......

Do what so many others are doing: post on Boards to tell the world you are a bit discommoded.

RiverOfLove

geeksauce wrote: »

There wont be any protests at all, Irish people dont protest, they talk about how we should all protest but when it comes to actually turning up and marching they are too busy, either "oh I have to work", or "I have nobody to mind the kids that day", or "its raining"

Many people are protesting. With their passports and a one way ticket abroad leaving the rest of us to it.

Lord Trollington

geeksauce wrote: »

There wont be any protests at all, Irish people dont protest, they talk about how we should all protest but when it comes to actually turning up and marching they are too busy, either "oh I have to work", or "I have nobody to mind the kids that day", or "its raining"

What about the genuine people who actually have to work and are not a drain on society at the moment?

bumper234

TheFOB wrote: »

Regardless of how angry I am at Anglo I wouldn't be caught dead with a communist like Joe Higgins.

Yeah you are right....better to do **** all as usual than be seen with the wrong people right?:rolleyes:

Joe Higgins may be a communist but he is an Irish man 1st and bad mouth him all you like but at least he asks the tough questions.

edit:No i am not a socialist or someone who has ever voted for Joe Higgins.

bumper234

Lord Trollington wrote: »

What about the genuine people who actually have to work and are not a drain on society at the moment?

Wow you really do try to live up to your name don't you?

listermint

Enough sniping at other posters lads ffs.



There are bigger fish to fry here.

RiverOfLove

Poor Garlic man today. He defrauded the state of about a million, didn't he? Paid it all back and then got 6 years in prison.

Bankers who defrauded the state get rewarded with huge pay offs.

who_me

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

What I still don't understand is why the government of the time made the biggest economic decision in the history of the state without the relevant information.

I understand that they were browbeaten to a degree but surely that's not a good enough reason.

It's a long read, but if you've time you should read this article in Vanity Fair (from 2011) about the Irish economy. Pretty scary just how little the Government seemed to know about what, exactly was going on..

When Irish Eyes Are Crying

EdCastle

geeksauce wrote: »

There wont be any protests at all, Irish people dont protest, they talk about how we should all protest but when it comes to actually turning up and marching they are too busy, either "oh I have to work", or "I have nobody to mind the kids that day", or "its raining"

You mean Boardsies?

I don't know anyone who talks about protesting outside of Boards, and yeah, people have to work, mind the kids and there's no point getting sick from the weather. Those are the realities.

So best to live your life, enjoy it to the fullest, check out with a smile on your face.

General General

RiverOfLove wrote: »

Poor Garlic man today. He defrauded the state of about a million, didn't he? Paid it all back and then got 6 years in prison.

Bankers who defrauded the state get rewarded with huge pay offs.

Good enough for him... enough garlic in the country without that craic... dirty french bstrds!
:pac:

AnOrdinaryJoe

‘We must not lose sight of the fact that the purpose of our financial crime objective is to help in the fight against crime: crime that creates real and serious social harm like drug-dealing, people trafficking, fraud, marker abuse - and terrorism’

Sir Callum McCarthy, former UK FSA Chairman

An admirable sentiment indeed and one which, whether in UK or Ireland, or anywhere else for that matter, the feckers who are supposed to take note of this sort of stuff, actually would, instead of allowing the fat cat bankers types with their big mansions where their families live in luxury and security live........ whilst many of those impacted upon by their activities do not, and are actually considerably worse off as a result of their hard earned taxes being handed over without mandate............ to the same feckers who screwed them over and are still living in their massive mansions with their huge salaries or pensions, in some cases both.

I wish someone would point out to the current AIB chairman (former senior HSBC linked to massive HSBC money laundering activities for Mexican drug cartels and other 'entities' connected to terrorist activities, and named in a US Senate report) that the base activities from which HSBC and presumably himself made money from, 'creates real and social harm', a message not lost I'm sure on the families of the estimated circa 60,000 people murdered by Mexican drug cartels during the time the individual in question was linked to the money laundering activities in question.

Any what I, and others find astonishing is that seemingly, with regards to 'fitness and probity' standards deemed to be necessary for anyone to hold high office in the banks, the regulators at the Central Bank consider link to such activities, to which in turn gargantulan levels of criminality were connected i.e. the drug dealing, the murders, etc. to be of little or no significance.

Presumably the two boyos at Anglo Irish who were so disrespectful to all of us were also passed as 'fit and proper' persons to hold the high office positions they did at the bank by the Central Bank.

Which begs the question..... who the feck determines those at the Central Bank who determine who are 'fit and proper' persons at the banks to themselves be 'fit and proper' persons to make such decisions ? Is it the politicians ? (which if it is.... God help us)

bumper234

RiverOfLove wrote: »

Poor Garlic man today. He defrauded the state of about a million, didn't he? Paid it all back and then got 6 years in prison.

Bankers who defrauded the state get rewarded with huge pay offs.

This^^^

Disgusting that he got 6 years ffs murderers don't get that in this country. 25 People a day getting locked up for not paying fines, pensioners being jailed for not having a TV licence but these bastards are sitting pretty in their mansions while Kenny, Gilmore, Martin et al all wring their hands bt do **** all.

RiverOfLove

Those banking fcuks played the government at the time for fcuking fools. Where's Cowen now? Studing in America. Bertie? That fcuking fcuk. He ran right before the sh1t really hit the fan, in May 2008, leaving it all to Cowen while he stayed on in the background. That fcuk knew something when he left.

General General

RiverOfLove wrote: »

Those banking fcuks played the government at the time for fcuking fools. Where's Cowen now? Studing in America. Bertie? That fcuking fcuk. He ran right before the sh1t really hit the fan, in May 2008, leaving it all to Cowen while he stayed on in the background. That fcuk knew something when he left.

Vomit.

geeksauce

EdCastle wrote: »

You mean Boardsies?

I don't know anyone who talks about protesting outside of Boards, and yeah, people have to work, mind the kids and there's no point getting sick from the weather. Those are the realities.

So best to live your life, enjoy it to the fullest, check out with a smile on your face.

I mean everyone not just people on Boards, my friends talk about the need to protest lads down the pub and golf club talk about it and nobody does anything.

If you read the threads here about the HHC and LPT you would see that there was no way that the Govt would introduce either because there would be riots in the streets, yet both came in with little or no fuss.

Same thing here, you will read about people talking about how they are going to protest yet when the time comes they will all have excuses for not attending.

If people were serious about protesting like they pretend to be they would find someone to mind the kids, would take the day off work would do anything they could to get to the protest. Just look at other countries such as Greece and Brazil they have mass protests and would face the same problems as Irish people do in attending these protests, maybe they are just more capable at finding solutions to their minor problems.

geeksauce

RiverOfLove wrote: »

Many people are protesting. With their passports and a one way ticket abroad leaving the rest of us to it.

Thats called emigrating.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

bumper234 wrote: »

This^^^

Disgusting that he got 6 years ffs murderers don't get that in this country. 25 People a day getting locked up for not paying fines, pensioners being jailed for not having a TV licence but these bastards are sitting pretty in their mansions while Kenny, Gilmore, Martin et al all wring their hands bt do **** all.

Murders get Life, Pensioners get a free TV licience.
Next.

RiverOfLove

who_me wrote: »

It's a long read, but if you've time you should read this article in Vanity Fair (from 2011) about the Irish economy. Pretty scary just how little the Government seemed to know about what, exactly was going on..

When Irish Eyes Are Crying

Bertie the fcuk knew something. He ran from his role as t-shock leaving it all to Cowen in May 2008. He fcuking god damn knew we were sinking. As for Cowen, if he knew, it's hard to say. Would Bertie have spoken up to Cowen or was Cowen led blindly into the whole mess.

EdCastle

RiverOfLove wrote: »

Where's Cowen now? Studing in America.

I think that could be finished now

.......and its farming season in the midlands now so with the weather that's in it he's probably out helping the neighbours get the silage cut and sinking a few quiet ones in the evening with the lads reminissing about old times.

Life is great!

TheFOB

RiverOfLove wrote: »

Bertie the fcuk knew something. He ran from his role as t-shock leaving it all to Cowen in May 2008. He fcuking god damn knew we were sinking. As for Cowen, if he knew, it's hard to say. Would Bertie have spoken up to Cowen or was Cowen led blindly into the whole mess.

Cowen was the Minister for Finance during Bertie's reign.

jobeenfitz

To hear all the politicians now calling for an inquiry is laughable. No matter what party, they are all part of the big circle and don't really want the masses all riled up. "Lets keep this as calm as possible until the peasants move on or forget" is probably the aim and that's what will happen eventually.

padz

anyone see any international coverage of this...finacial times, new york times guardian?...wonder what the germans make of the le muppets on the phone