Gerry Adams on RTE PrimeTime--29-05-13

LordSutch

SoulandForm wrote: »

As a northern Protestant Im not a fellow traveler of the Provos.

However they were more a legitimate army than either the Free State one or especially that of the UK state.

You're saying that the PIRA were a more legitimate army than the Irish army of the British army! You are not related to that other Protestant/Unionist poster Bertie Woot by any chance are you?

Busted Flat.

Does anyone know anything about the war that took place, that are posting on here. Just to make the point, would posters put up their date of birth, so people can understand their opinions.

LordSutch

I was born in the 60s and I have lived & worked in south Dublin for much of my life.

Busted Flat.

LordSutch wrote: »

I was born in the 60s and I have lived & worked in south Dublin for much of my life.

You were a child then when the war broke out, now I understand your views. Independent, and the Times, would have been the papers your parents would have read, a mine of unbiased information.

Iwasfrozen

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Does anyone know anything about the war that took place, that are posting on here. Just to make the point, would posters put up their date of birth, so people can understand their opinions.

You're right busted. Ian Paisely is older then you. You should bow to his greater knowledge.

Crooked Jack

SoulandForm wrote: »

Okay so what you are basically saying is that you have no interest in reaching out to northern Protestants such as myself who support Republican goals- what is the Unionist outreach nonsense about than????

what? how on earth did you get that from me condemning Kingsmill?

Busted Flat.

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

You're right busted. Ian Paisely is older then you. You should bow to his greater knowledge.

Maybe I am a bit slow.
Could you improve on your post, so I can understand your meaning,it could be something to do with age.

Nodin

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Maybe I am a bit slow.
Could you improve on your post, so I can understand your meaning,it could be something to do with age.

His age is irrelevant to his position on the armed struggle.

Banjo String

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

You're right busted. Ian Paisely is older then you. You should bow to his greater knowledge.

How can you tell his age from that post?

Iwasfrozen

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Maybe I am a bit slow.
Could you improve on your post, so I can understand your meaning,it could be something to do with age.

I'm sorry my dear fellow it's just my cataracts playing up again. And it's not easy writing with my decrepit arthritis riddled fingers. You'll understand when you're my age.

Iwasfrozen

SamHall wrote: »

How can you tell his age from that post?

I can smell it.

Busted Flat.

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I'm sorry my dear fellow it's just my cataracts playing up again. And it's not easy writing with my decrepit arthritis riddled fingers. You'll understand when you're my age.

You didn't need to describe your medical condition, your posts have already explained your opinions.

Iwasfrozen

Busted Flat. wrote: »

You didn't need to describe your medical condition, your posts have already explained your opinions.

My opinions that have nothing to do with age.

SoulandForm

Crooked Jack wrote: »

what? how on earth did you get that from me condemning Kingsmill?

Of course the Provos carried out Kingsmill and no one punished for it- you cant admit though.

The sectarian element of the Provisional movement is supporting the guess what basically sectarian GFA- the actually Republican element of the Provisional movement has long left it in the north.

SoulandForm

LordSutch wrote: »

I was born in the 60s and I have lived & worked in south Dublin for much of my life.

I was born in the late 80s and my dad was killed in the troubles by the PIRA. When I go home its to sectarian hell hole still. Why do you want to keep it that way?

LordSutch

Busted Flat. wrote: »

You were a child then when the war broke out, now I understand your views. Independent, and the Times, would have been the papers your parents would have read, a mine of unbiased information.

The War (common parlance) finished in 1945.

True, the Northern Ireland "Troubles" broke out when I was a nipper, but at least I was born back then and grew up as it happened, unlike
some posters on here who seem to be barely out of college, yet claim to be experts on a subject which ended before they were born!

SoulandForm

LordSutch wrote: »

You're saying that the PIRA were a more legitimate army than the Irish army of the British army! You are not related to that other Protestant/Unionist poster Bertie Woot by any chance are you?

Bertie is a Protestant but a nationalist of a soft kind. Im a northern Protestant but a Republican. I dont care about British soldiers getting killed. I hate the Royal Family. I hate what the British state is doing my country- I want it out.

Busted Flat.

LordSutch wrote: »

The War (common parlance) finished in 1945.

True, the Northern Ireland "Troubles" broke out when I was a nipper, but at least I was born back then and grew up as it happened, unlike
some posters on here who seem to be barely out of college, yet claim to be experts on a subject which ended before they were born!

You have a major problem with history.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=British+involvement+in+wars+after+1945&source=web&cd=10&cad=rja&ved=0CGgQFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritofremembrance.com%2Fpage%2Fpost-1945-the-history-of&ei=3kCEUaPMCZCHhQfysoGgBg&usg=AFQjCNEw9k4CMyr6tSHcbQwRmvYYKlvwqQ





1945 onwards
This Green and Pleasant Land

1945 - 1948
Sunset on the Raj

1945 - 1948
Exodus & Outrage

1948 - 1960
The Virgin Soldiers


1949 - 1989
The Cold War

1950 - 1957
A Police Action ?
Including Armistice period.

1951 - 1954
The Suppressed Story

1952 - 1960
Hunting The Mau Mau

1955 - 1959
Nicosia's Murder Mile


1955 - 1967
The Barren Rocks of Aden

1955 - 1967
Into The Hills

1956
Assault The Canal

1962 - 1966
The War Against Sukarno

1962 - 1975
The Odd Angry Shot

1969-
The "Troubles"

1969 - 1976
The Desert Song

1982
Honour Regained

1991
The Desert Rats Return

1992
A Frustrating Mission

1999
Back to the Balkans

2000
Death and Diamonds

2001-
The War on Terror

2003-
Return to the Gulf

1945 - 2005
Riots, Rebellions, Gunboats and Peace Keepers

1945 - 2002
Post War SAS Operations
Source: http://www.britains-smallwars.com

Hannibal

SoulandForm wrote: »

Aye Martin Mc Guinness who said those who kill British soldiers in Ireland are trairors to the island of Ireland now that the Catholic middle class get all the blessings the Prod one used to have under the same colonial situation- that Martin McGuinness? The one who left the army in 73?

Butter wouldnt melt in his mouth.

the situation that existed for most of the troubles gave rise to the IRA and made legitimate targets of all state forces no doubt about that. The IRA did kill British soldiers no doubt that. The difference is that time elapsed and now there is a clear political path hence why the IRA went into a ceasefire and then when the time was right they stood down and decommissioned.
McGuinness was right when he said that because the people of all Ireland voted for the GFA, normality has been reached in Ireland for the first time in a long long time and there's now nationalists in government in the north. The so called dissidents are not republicans, I've seen them first hand and there's no politics behind their motives. They see the troubles as the good old days and for some reason they want to return to that period in Irish history hence the betrayal.
At the dissidents heart there is people who believe themselves to be hardcore republicans, their obsessed about being anti Sinn Fein to the point where they would be better off and more suited to being in the DUP. There's others who are professional extortioners and make a handsome living for themselves out of the profits. Then the final group are these muscle bound guys pumped up on steroids because it's all about vanity to them, it's pretty much the same as the likes of Johnny Adair and several well known Dublin drug dealers.

LordSutch

SoulandForm wrote: »

Bertie is a Protestant but a nationalist of a soft kind. Im a northern Protestant but a Republican. I dont care about British soldiers getting killed. I hate the Royal Family. I hate what the British state is doing my country- I want it out.

Yes indeed, that says it all really, what a mess.

Goodnight.

SoulandForm

Busted Flat. wrote: »

You have a major problem with history.

Lets be realistic- LordSutch believes the random murder of people in the north who were RC is fine- the British Army was firmly behind it and it was extremely to what the BA did in other countries. If Im wrong LordSutch state clearly that the British Army are scum.

SoulandForm

Dotsey wrote: »

the situation that existed for most of the troubles gave rise to the IRA and made legitimate targets of all state forces no doubt about that. The IRA did kill British soldiers no doubt that. The difference is that time elapsed and now there is a clear political path hence why the IRA went into a ceasefire and then when the time was right they stood down and decommissioned.
McGuinness was right when he said that because the people of all Ireland voted for the GFA, normality has been reached in Ireland for the first time in a long long time and there's now nationalists in government in the north. The so called dissidents are not republicans, I've seen them first hand and there's no politics behind their motives. They see the troubles as the good old days and for some reason they want to return to that period in Irish history hence the betrayal.
At the dissidents heart there is people who believe themselves to be hardcore republicans, their obsessed about being anti Sinn Fein to the point where they would be better off and more suited to being in the DUP. There's others who are professional extortioners and make a handsome living for themselves out of the profits. Then the final group are these muscle bound guys pumped up on steroids because it's all about vanity to them, it's pretty much the same as the likes of Johnny Adair and several well known Dublin drug dealers.

Grow up.

The Shinners of today were sectarians who jumped on the Republican cause and now are trying to destroy it.

Busted Flat.

SoulandForm wrote: »

Grow up.

The Shinners of today were sectarians who jumped on the Republican cause and now are trying to destroy it.

I asked earlier about age groups, I think it is relevant to state your date of birth to understand your point of view. Especially in relation to this thread, and any other thread to do with the war in the occupied counties.

Iwasfrozen

SoulandForm wrote: »

Grow up.

The Shinners of today were sectarians who jumped on the Republican cause and now are trying to destroy it.

Now wait a second. I'm not exactly a fan of Sinn Fein but by what definition are they trying to destroy the republican movement?! They've come the closet of all parties to achieving your ultimate goal.

Hannibal

SoulandForm wrote: »

Grow up.

The Shinners of today were sectarians who jumped on the Republican cause and now are trying to destroy it.

The republican cause is still alive at the heart of Sinn Fein, the cause has took many twists and turns but they're not trying to destroy republicanism.

Most people who I know within SF and previously the IRA joined up because of their hatred of secterianism and inequality, it was British and Unionist secterians that drove this island to war and kept refueling it. The old British tactic of divide and conquer

SoulandForm

Busted Flat. wrote: »

I asked earlier about age groups, I think it is relevant to state your date of birth to understand your point of view. Especially in relation to this thread, and any other thread to do with the war in the occupied counties.

I was born in 88 in Antrim.

SoulandForm

Dotsey wrote: »

The republican cause is still alive at the heart of Sinn Fein, the cause has took many twists and turns but they're not trying to destroy republicanism.

Most people who I know within SF and previously the IRA joined up because of their hatred of secterianism and inequality, it was British and Unionist secterians that drove this island to war and kept refueling it. The old British tactic of divide and conquer

Why did Marty than attack old leadership so viciously for the ceasefire in the mid 70s and go on about the war never never ending until national liberation?

SoulandForm

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Now wait a second. I'm not exactly a fan of Sinn Fein but by what definition are they trying to destroy the republican movement?! They've come the closet of all parties to achieving your ultimate goal.

Sinn Fein that encourage foreign investment? Sinn Fein that are sort of okay about the EU? Sinn Fein that discouraged protests against the British Queen in Dublin? Sinn Fein that have the blood of at least four of the hungers strikers on their hands? Sinn Fein that are in coalition with the semi-fascist DUP adminstrating Troy cuts in the six counties? That Sinn Fein do you mean?

SoulandForm

Dotsey wrote: »

The republican cause is still alive at the heart of Sinn Fein, the cause has took many twists and turns but they're not trying to destroy republicanism.

Most people who I know within SF and previously the IRA joined up because of their hatred of secterianism and inequality, it was British and Unionist secterians that drove this island to war and kept refueling it. The old British tactic of divide and conquer

Ah so didnt join the IRA to fight for the Republic and national liberation? They fought for equality with the prods under the old colonial system?

Great lads- pity that Brendan Hughes saw things differently.

And that try to mess around mess around- if they accept the GFA that whats it about, getting equal or getting one over the prods, little better than the fleg protesters.

Iwasfrozen

SoulandForm wrote: »

Sinn Fein that encourage foreign investment? Sinn Fein that are sort of okay about the EU? Sinn Fein that discouraged protests against the British Queen in Dublin? Sinn Fein that have the blood of at least four of the hungers strikers on their hands? Sinn Fein that are in coalition with the semi-fascist DUP adminstrating Troy cuts in the six counties? That Sinn Fein do you mean?

Yes that Sinn Féin. Christ dude take a chill pill. I love the way you see encouraging FDI as a bad thing btw.