rebuildable discussion thread

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

didnt want to spam the 'today i ordered thread' and the bulli/rda threads are prob best left to their respective atties so a new thread for everything else is prob worthwhile, at least until enough people get a certain atty to warrant a new thread for it


spent 2 hours banging my head off the desk trying to get the igo-s working. it's so small. maybe I could get it working if I persevered, but I'm just not going to. I might keep it in a drawer and come back to it in a couple of weeks.. i haven't decided yet

the a7 though was a more pleasant experience. i tried 4 wraps of 1mm a few times, but it just wasn't working well at all.. vape was far far too harsh.. imm not sure why.
have 2 strands of 1mm atm, six wraps of .15 kanthal.. comes out to 2.4ohms, just like the coil that was in it when it arrived. vaping beautifully.
ill vape this for a while and then try it with .20 kanthal but initial experiments trying to wrap .20 around 2 strands of 1mm didn't go well.. the wire is just so thick

it's not as good as the bulli at its peak, not all that close but it approaches the rda tbh. little bit less "oomph" in the flavour than the rda, and the whistling air noise when you draw is pretty annoying but those are all minor details. for the price of it, the fact that it's SS so oughta last years and the overall performance... fantastic atty.

eeloe

I never really got on with silica based rebuildables, i got maybe 3-4 good coils on an IGO-L, but got bored, so set it to one side.

But on the genesis side of things...that's a different matter altogether.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

you never jumped on the ribbon kanthal bandwagon?

eeloe

Tried it, didn't like it, dunno why exactly, just wasn't doing any thing spectacular to the vape.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

just like the rda the flavour in the a7 is better when there's little to no juice left in the well

what the hell is up with that

Green Hornet

I tried to put a mesh wick in it. It's a pain to rebuild so I thought that would reduce the need to rebuild. It's too small though really. Might try a hybrid one sometime but I don't really believe in them.....

grindle

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

just like the rda the flavour in the a7 is better when there's little to no juice left in the well

what the hell is up with that

You might have a preference for very freshly cooked juice? I usually prefer my freshly-dripped draws. But not enough to stop me being lazy and dumping as much juice as I can fit into it...into it.

Green Hornet wrote: »

I tried to put a mesh wick in it. It's a pain to rebuild so I thought that would reduce the need to rebuild. It's too small though really. Might try a hybrid one sometime but I don't really believe in them.....

A Miracle on 34th St. sequel in the making.

Building with SS in the A7 I had to twist one of the posts because it's impossible not to cut into the mesh with the stock set up. Twisting the wire into the second hole is a total bitch either way, mesh magnifies it.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

would you be able to have the mesh touching the base or would it have to be suspended above it? cos of .. electric pixies or whatever

grindle

The mesh can touch it if it's oxidised properly and barely touching it and you've made sure not to scrape it. Hard to do with the awkward post positions and the finagling the second leg into place.
Putting a teensy layer of silica or cotton underneath the part that touches the base will save vast amounts of time if something like that goes wrong

jamie72

I gave up on my AGA-s for size constraints and I didn't like the draw. I get along well with the IGO-L though.

P.I.T.A

Got my Igo L about an hour ago.

Have to say it does not look as big as it does on YouTube
First coil copied P Bastardo and used 2mm wick doubled up and trimmed after coiling, used 5 turns, bloody thing came out at 4.2 ohms.
Second one single 2mm with 5 turns, 2.8 still too high.
3rd 2mm and 4 turns at 2.2, just right.

The draw is the most airy I have come i across in any device, not keen on that too much, but a nice flavour and good amount of vapour with my Wingnuts VC.

All in all a nice device and good vape, pleased with it, especially as all my 3 coils worked . But as good as it is I still prefer the ET Vision for flavour, vapour and amount it holds. But at least I have a 2nd choice when the mood takes me.

jamie72

I like it for handiness. When I get the new pass the parcel in the post, i'll be able to sample juices easily, and if one of them is hard to clean out, it's a doddle to make a coil on the IGO-L.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

one thing I didn't think about when putting my provari for sale.. it's bloody awkward trying to dry burn a coil with an ego
takes forever!

Green Hornet

I don't dry burn any more at all. Doesn't last for long after it using FG.

I dry burn with mesh alright though.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

maybe it's the juices im vaping but my coils tend to need it after a days vaping.

grindle

iGO-L dual-coil @ 1.1ohm, #200 SS, 0.3x0.1 ribbon kanthal.
Puros Naturales. Disturbing levels of throathit.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

anyone who has an a7, do you notice much difference in the vape by changing the height of the coil relative to the airhole?

im gonna experiment with it myself obviously but i dont want to go ripping coils up every 20 minutes just to try something new so figured i'd crowdsource initially

Green Hornet

I'm not actually sure.....I was wondering that too and tried adjusting it before. I 'think' it's a bit gentler closer to the airhole......

It's such a pain to rebuild compared to the Bulli though.....I only rebuild when required rather than on a whim...

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

really? I'm having no problems at all rebuilding it. just gotta keep the legs suuuuuuuper long

im finding im not enjoying low res(medium-high watt) coils much on the a7, the flavour is being stripped away compared to the bulli but low watt coils are giving good flavour

Green Hornet

Yeah, I just hate wasting too much wire, cheap as it is even.....

rickyjb

What makes them so hard to rebuild? Was thinking of getting one as a back up to the RDA.

grindle

Much less vapour much more throathit the further away the coil is with the A7.
I was kind of surprised by how much a couple of mm in height made a difference, always thought if it was hitting the coil relatively close it wouldn't make too much difference. It's a balancing act.

Green Hornet

rickyjb wrote: »

What makes them so hard to rebuild? Was thinking of getting one as a back up to the RDA.

No, dont get me wrong - they are not difficult at all to rebuild. Arguably easier to get right than other RBA's. Getting the second leg through the hole can be a bit of a knack and a bit fiddly but they are actually a great little atty.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

it's quite similar to the phoenix
(1) the holes in the posts are in kinda awkward positions
(2) it's tricky enough to get the wire through the holes without distorting the coil

tricky but not impossible, if you leave the legs really long (I use a couple of inches on either side) then you have quite a bit of room to work with without having to worry about the coil being pulled all out of shape

--edit

just did a 2.4ohm coil again on one of the a7's. much nicer than the 1.4-1.7 ohm coils. I don't know if it's how close the airhole is to the coil, or how small the device is.. but it's so unlike my experience with other rebuildables.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

did a coil with 8 wraps of .20 kanthal on 4 1mm strands, came to 2.1 ohms but flavour is much improved relative to the amount of heat im getting in the vape. 2.5ohm coils are good flavour but very mild vape, low res coils are rough flavour and too warm vape... i think i'm on the way now

will try 7 wraps of .20 next and then 7 wraps with 3 1mm strands

Green Hornet

Janey, mine usually come out around 2 ohms with 4/5 turns.

Mr. Chrome

Have to say, 2 ohms at 4.2v, 4 turns of .2 kanthal on an ego with the condomoid is the best vape I have had in a long long time!

jamie72

condomoid

It's no wonder new people to this forum get confused with all the terms.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Green Hornet wrote: »

Janey, mine usually come out around 2 ohms with 4/5 turns.

im trying to get as many coils as I can directly over the airhole, rather than having them all spread out between the posts. so aiming for 5-6 over the airhole then two on the sides attached to each post

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

looks like I must bow to the wisdom of green hornet

5 wraps of .15, 2 strands of 1mm comes to 1.9 ohms. flavour is great. when dry the coils light up just about instantly on an ego instead of taking a couple of seconds like all my others. good vapour, decent TH. i'm sure it can be perfected but at least now I know what to do in the future.

I was wondering if the length of the was a factor as well, not just the overall resistance.. apparently it is


I had hoped to do away with variable voltage vaping entirely but I put my other a7 on an ego twist and god damn if the orange de sangre isn't better at 4v. might twist it up at home on one a7 and keep the other for venturing out into the wilderness of carlow.

Drachnien

when you building a dual coil setup how the hell do you balance the resistance i mean do the two coils have to be exactly the same? I'm just confused as to why one doesn't take all the load an the other not get used. path of least resistance and all that.

jamie72

Resistors in parallel don't work like that. Yes more current will travel along the one with the least resistance, but the other will still get power in ratio. Just try and keep them the same amount of turns and that and you'll be fine.

Mr. Chrome

jamie72 wrote: »

It's no wonder new people to this forum get confused with all the terms.

Patent pending :-)

grindle

I still don't know what a condomoid is and I'm rarely off the forum.

What does it meeeeeean?

Mr. Chrome

grindle wrote: »

I still don't know what a condomoid is and I'm rarely off the forum.

What does it meeeeeean?

Cant say for legal reasons :-P
Its just a condom from a boge that I glued onto an oid to stop burning the hell out of my lips while chain vaping.
Actually works really well!

Drachnien

jamie72 wrote: »

Resistors in parallel don't work like that. Yes more current will travel along the one with the least resistance, but the other will still get power in ratio. Just try and keep them the same amount of turns and that and you'll be fine.

Brain fail, I wasn't thinking of them as parallel resistors, yeah your right so long as there reasonably close it'll be fine. Thanks

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

im having to recoil my a7's every morning. it's very strange. i can dry burn them but it takes ages using an ego and by the time it's done after I refill it the flavour just isn't there any more

not the biggest hassle in the world but just odd after the 3-4 days I'd get out of a bulli/clockworks

E. Fudd

My first ever attempt at any kind of rebuildable.
My aga-t with Three wraps of .15 Kanthal and she's coming out at bang on 2 ohms. Vaping like a boss. Feels a bit too good to be true......

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

my god .20 kanthal is an amazing pain in the arse getting working on an a7. it just twists so much when you're putting it through the posts, once you get most of it through you have to stop and do some micro surgery to get the final piece in without tearing the coil apart

worth it though

Bubba9

If you're doing lots of coiling in tight spaces you could do worse than pick up something like this....makes life much easier:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rolson-60338-Helping-Magnifying-Glass/dp/B001MJ0JV8/ref=sr_1_19?ie=UTF8&qid=1366812335&sr=8-19&keywords=magnifying+glass

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

think I've finally figured the a7 out.

well, someone else did and I copied them
http://ukvapers.org/Thread-A7-Recoiling-Help?pid=137983#pid137983

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

finally got a decent coil in the igo-s
used 2mm wick instead of 1mm as the 1 was terribly unwieldy

it's not actually that bad

flavour isn't the best but at least now I know what i'm doing with it I can work on that.

--edit

moved the airhole slightly. god damn, this is good
have it at around 2 ohms, so need to either get some .20 nichrome or 1 less wrap, or 3mm wick instead of 2 strands of 2mm but still.. im glad I didn't just throw this away

_charlie_

Well done! :-)

I have that small one too, but I was never patient enough to do it.

The big works for me:


I'm using a 0.3 kanthal, on a quite low resistance, 1.0Ohm. It makes an amazing vapour.
However I'm using it on a mecha mod.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

the mod is shiny and all but all I can think of is what board game is that...

_charlie_

:-D That's an old version of the Scotland Yard.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

green hornet.. how did you find the a7 after a days vaping?
i'm constantly having to recoil it every morning. dry burning seems to ruin it and after a days vaping the coil just doesn't perform as well as it did the day before.

Green Hornet

I found it fine for a few days vaping actually but I gave up on dry burning it too. For some reason it took absolute ages to dry burn and killed the coil or more likely the wick I suppose. Pain in the ass to rebuild so that's one of the reasons that I got a few days out if it.....

_charlie_

I know it's not for me, however I'm also using a similar device.
Did you try to wash out the wrap and dry and burn it out? That might help. However that also depends on the liquid.

rickyjb

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

green hornet.. how did you find the a7 after a days vaping?
i'm constantly having to recoil it every morning. dry burning seems to ruin it and after a days vaping the coil just doesn't perform as well as it did the day before.

Digby I think you might just be the Goldilocks of the vaping world, always seeking perfection...

I got 3 or 4 days out of the coil that came with it and I used it fairly heavily (the pass the parcel arrived on day 2 so you can imagine the use it got then)

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

rickyjb wrote: »

Digby I think you might just be the Goldilocks of the vaping world, always seeking perfection...

certainly seems that way

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

charlie yeah I have washed it out before dry burning, makes it a little quicker but the dry burning still seems to wreck the coil

GH, wonder what the diff is between this and the bulli/rda with dry burning
it's all so strange