RTE & the property tax

oldyouth

Le_Dieux wrote: »

I didn't ask for a lecture on the morals of paying this 'tax'. I asked if I was alone in not paying it...simples!

I'll pay it, reluctantly

coolemon

mikom wrote: »

I would also like to alert people to the reason behind the fact that there are so many "inaccurate" valuations of homes being sent out.
It causes Mary and Paddy to get stroppy and send in their own valuation as a two fingers to the government.
Those "two fingers" are the entrapment.

It also serves to shift the discourse in the media from "no way im not paying" type discussions to "they overvalued my house".

The former is a discourse about resistance. The latter is an acceptance of the process.

If one is not paying, one dosnt give a **** what the value placed on the house is. But that discussion has been bypassed completely by one of discussing the incorrectness of the valuations/incompetency of the Revenue etc.

melekalikimaka

i hope that everyone one of these muppets that wont pay the tax be named and shamed publicly into a stone tablet to be left in the city center for generations to come to shame their offspring, utter fools of the highest order. they are gonna get their cash off you full stop, huffing and puffing isnt going to work, if labour arent their to support the socialist bottom feeders, who will? SF - ha

pitkan

Phoebas wrote: »

Don't be mad. You can't provide a link to your imagination.

Ok. The Government put out the figure that 700,000 households had not paid the household charge.
Because of the prices that houses escalated to, remember the word "Gazoomp", would have necessitated two people as morgagees and as either named 'owner' is liable then, 2x700,000=1,400,000.

mikom

I will add that RTE are well behind this tax as it makes it easier to land you with the broadcasting tax once you are in the loop.

These cunts are only looking out for number one.

Don't gobble up their shite.......... no matter how much they wrap it up in Bressie and the Angelus.

melekalikimaka

pitkan wrote: »

Ok. The Government put out the figure that 700,000 households had not paid the household charge.
Because of the prices that houses escalated to, remember the word "Gazoomp", would have necessitated two people as morgagees and as either named 'owner' is liable then, 2x700,000=1,400,000.

:rolleyes:

mikom

melekalikimaka wrote: »

i hope that everyone one of these muppets that wont pay the tax be named and shamed publicly into a stone tablet to be left in the city center for generations to come to shame their offspring, utter fools of the highest order. they are gonna get their cash off you full stop, huffing and puffing isnt going to work, if labour arent their to support the socialist bottom feeders, who will? SF - ha

Stick us in Stubbs gazette if there is enough space left after our minister for "health" is dealt with.

Fr_Dougal

melekalikimaka wrote: »

i hope that everyone one of these muppets that wont pay the tax be named and shamed publicly into a stone tablet to be left in the city center for generations to come to shame their offspring, utter fools of the highest order. they are gonna get their cash off you full stop, huffing and puffing isnt going to work, if labour arent their to support the socialist bottom feeders, who will? SF - ha

The fools are the ones that are paying it. Baaaaaa baaaaa.

evolving_doors

Meh even Mary Lou was too coy this morning, when she was pressed a to whether she wa going to pay it (even though she was encouraging us plebs not too pay it.)..her response after being repeatedly asked if she was going to pay it...

"Im not of a mind to pay it"

What the hell does that mean?

melekalikimaka

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

The fools are the ones that are paying it. Baaaaaa baaaaa.

:rolleyes:

paddy147

schnitzelEater wrote: »

What's there to be one sided about?

It's a legal tax, pay it. Simples.

Last thing we should do is give air time to the soap dodgers.

There will be alot of soap dodgers this Saturday afternoon so...at the anti property tax rally in Dublin City.

pitkan

melekalikimaka wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Yes, I know the feeling. A Government figure. And sure aren't they only famous for telling the truth.:P

Fr_Dougal

melekalikimaka wrote: »

:rolleyes:

melekalikimaka wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Is that you, Bertie?

Phoebas

pitkan wrote: »

Ok. The Government put out the figure that 700,000 households had not paid the household charge.

All of those unpaid €100 household charges are automatically converted to a €200 local property tax.

They'll all be paying it. The only question is how much interest and penalties will they pay on top.

Phoebas

paddy147 wrote: »

There will be alot of soap dodgers this Saturday afternoon so...at the anti property tax rally in Dublin City.

How many hundred people are expected to show up for that?

schnitzelEater

Le_Dieux wrote: »

I didn't ask for a lecture on the morals of paying this 'tax'. I asked if I was alone in not paying it...simples!

Noted. Now pay up like the rest of us.

paddy147

Phoebas wrote: »

How many hundred people are expected to show up for that?

Ah sure Im sure RTE will tell us all the "Exact" numbers....:pac::rolleyes:

evolving_doors

Jeez what's this conspiracy rant against rte.. Any proof that tv3 is encouraging people NOT to pay it..

Banjo String

Your house is now seen as low hanging fruit.

This will be plucked now in order to keep some other members of our society in good financial health.

Public service pensions are also defined-benefit schemes. But these schemes are solvent, being funded mainly by taxpayers, many of whom are members of pension funds in deficit and in difficulty; and some of whom are solely reliant on the State pension in their retirement. Clearly, there is a need for a serious debate on the pensions crisis.


Indeed, no greater challenge faces the Government than that presented by the national pensions crisis. Most private sector schemes have been closed to new members, and some may be forced to wind up their operations, resulting in huge financial losses for members. In the public sector the pensions bill,which is financed mainly from tax revenue, has soared in recent years.


Public service pension costs have risen from €1.6 billion in 2008 to €2.5 billion in 2012. This rise reflects an almost two-thirds rise in pensioner numbers in four years, as more public servants have reached retirement age, while many have taken the option of early retirement. The shortfall in the social insurance fund – used to pay State pension and other welfare payments – reached €1.5 billion in 2011. And the deficit is set to rise in the years ahead. Without policy changes, the accumulated deficits, estimates indicate, could in current money terms reach €324 billion by 2066.

http://www.irishtimes.com/debate/a-national-pensions-crisis-1.955339

What I find truly disgusting about that article is , tax payers in the private industry are funding a pension for those in the public sector. Even while their own pension collapses around their ears.

Property tax to fund local services?

Yeah right.


And as for RTE being pro tax? They can hardly be anti tax when they ask you each year for a license fee to watch unfiltered shyte, speoken and played by amateur plebs.

schnitzelEater

paddy147 wrote: »

There will be alot of soap dodgers this Saturday afternoon so...at the anti property tax rally in Dublin City.

Hundreds of thousand? Or hundreds?

I suppose the same people think we should continue to run a deficit of a billion a month indefinitely.

pitkan

Phoebas wrote: »

All of those unpaid €100 household charges are automatically converted to a €200 local property tax.

They'll all be paying it. The only question is how much interest and penalties will they pay on top.

I'm really not worried about their blood money penalties, no more than I was worried about ESB databases the first time or the threat of revenue this time.
Their penalties, if they suceed, will be less I'll have to spend in the economy, which escalates the race to the bottom.
A case of revenue cutting off their nose to spite their face.

Banjo String

Armelodie wrote: »

Jeez what's this conspiracy rant against rte.. Any proof that tv3 is encouraging people NOT to pay it..

Vincent Browne does be on TV3, youre aware of that right?

ilovesleep

mike65 wrote: »

You will, even if the social have to take it 20 euro a week from your Dole (if you are on the dole).



Pfffffft! They are not going to do any such thing, the best they can hope for its to see out this term to the final day and hope that by then things are looking better. If they leave now they will be punished more than FG.

If they collaspe this government I'll be giving them a vote.

I'm not happy with the way FG has ran things since they got into office. I believe they should be leading by example by giving themselves huge paycuts to their salaries and pensions. They might then know what things are like for so many people and their families up and down the country.

paddy147

schnitzelEater wrote: »

Hundreds of thousand? Or hundreds?

I suppose the same people think we should continue to run a deficit of a billion a month indefinitely.

Well will you ask Enda and Noonan what they are doing by still paying the bondholders please???:mad:

They both fcuked up there big time.:rolleyes:

Banjo String

schnitzelEater wrote: »

Hundreds of thousand? Or hundreds?

I suppose the same people think we should continue to run a deficit of a billion a month indefinitely.

As above.....

Lots opf fat to be trimmed from the PS yet. Much much more.

I'm not referring to frontline workers in that staement btw.

ArseLtd

Property (noun) A thing or things belonging to some one

The government does not have our best interests at heart dudes

melekalikimaka wrote: »

i hope that everyone one of these muppets that wont pay the tax be named and shamed publicly into a stone tablet to be left in the city center for generations to come to shame their offspring, utter fools of the highest order. they are gonna get their cash off you full stop, huffing and puffing isnt going to work, if labour arent their to support the socialist bottom feeders, who will? SF - ha

Thats like what the church used to do years ago, when they were collecting money they would name out everyones name in the parish and say how much they paid and those who didn't were shamed.

You know what we did with the church yeah?

paddy147

ArseLtd wrote: »

Property (noun) A thing or things belonging to some one

The government does not have our best interests at heart dudes

But does a person NOT OWN a house until the mortgage is fully paid off.

Therefore its the BANK who "owns" the house?????


Wonder could that be argued in court before a judge??

For Forks Sake

paddy147 wrote: »

But does a person NOT OWN a house until the mortgage is fully paid off.

Therefore its the BANK who "owns" the house?????


Wonder could that be argued in court before a judge??

No. The person owns the house. The bank has a charge over the property as long as there is a mortgage owing against it.

schnitzelEater

paddy147 wrote: »

Well will you ask Enda and Noonan what they are doing by still paying the bondholders please???:mad:

They both fcuked up there big time.:rolleyes:

More diversion tactics. Keep us focused on the bondholders and the banks while the PS continues to bleed us dry with increments and gold plated pensions.

Nice try but we can see past the smokescreen.

ArseLtd

paddy147 wrote: »

But does a person NOT OWN a house until the mortgage is fully paid off.

Therefore its the BANK who "owns" the house?????


Wonder could that be argued in court before a judge??

I'm not sure but you might be interested in this. These are the fools who get into power