RTE & the property tax

darkhorse · 11-04-2013 7:20pm

MilanPan!c wrote: »

Ben Gilroy is a nutcase promoting crazy crap.

What crazy crap?

Phill Ewinn · 11-04-2013 7:24pm

darkhorse wrote: »

What crazy crap?

Must mail him that quote. Handy few bob in libel.

Drakares · 11-04-2013 7:29pm

Phoebas wrote: »

You be sure to tell the Revenue where to shove their interest and penalties too. :cool:

Don't need to, don't own property

MilanPan!c · 11-04-2013 7:33pm

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

Must mail him that quote. Handy few bob in libel.

PUH-leeze do....

Then have him explain why he's giving away this guys book:

Then ask him about his ties to a group that the FBI considers to be terrorists.

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2010/april/sovereigncitizens_041310

And ask him why he pretends to be confused about why people would associate him with freemen, when HE CALLS THEM AND ASKS THEM TO SHOW UP TO HIS MEDIA EVENTS.

Or maybe you don't think Freeman ****e is crazy?

In which case you yerself are a nutter.

Here's what one of the biggest newspapers in the south says about his cult:

Some have exploited the nation's foreclosure woes by falsely promising desperate homeowners certain scams can save a person's home or eliminate mortgage debt. Some have been able to earn millions of dollars from their scams.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/sovereign-nation/

paddy147 · 11-04-2013 7:33pm

Drakares wrote: »

Don't need to, don't own property

Do you rent??

Landlords will have to pass this on to tenants.

And it will be only a matter of time too.

Sure DCC are allready taking about rental increases on various properties due to the PT.

bgrizzley · 11-04-2013 7:38pm

Phoebas wrote: »

I say this is the same for a lot of people. Whatever slim chance of it being abolished when it was the household charge died when it was handed over to the Revenue.

Still some slow learners about.

Why are all you so scared of the Revenue? have you something to hide?

They are not the devil...

Read their customers charter and if they ask be honest with them and tell them you wont pay this tax as you object to it morally(as our glorious leader did:pac:).

some people here obviously have greater issues with them than a small home tax...

MilanPan!c · 11-04-2013 7:41pm

Here's an article written by the guy that Ben is pushing... you give Ben money, you get this "sovereign citizens" book.

http://i.imgur.com/fxxAg6V.png

Check out the co-author.

darkhorse · 11-04-2013 7:42pm

Phoebas wrote: »

Still some slow learners about.

Yeah, there is. Funny is'nt it?

Austerity-only policy for Ireland was a mistake, admits former IMF chief

Phoebas · 11-04-2013 7:47pm

bgrizzley wrote: »

Read their customers charter and if they ask be honest with them and tell them you wont pay this tax as you object to it morally(as our glorious leader did:pac:).

Is that your plan? Best of luck with that!!!

bgrizzley · 11-04-2013 7:49pm

Phoebas wrote: »

Is that your plan? Best of luck with that!!!

you see a flaw in being honest with the revenue? Please do tell...

MilanPan!c · 11-04-2013 7:54pm

And btw.

If you don't think this is nuts, then you're pretty much in the minority:

https://peopleforeconomicjustice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/door-notice.jpg

Note that it's HOSTED on his PEJ site. Note also that's its full of "sovereign citizen" BS and he even calls himself "sovereign".

All of that is crazy. Like mentally ill.

OR

He's part of their scam.

He MIGHT have been seen to just be an idiot, until he went and lied about it on RTE, and then CONTINUED to try and pull his Freeman crap AFTER the RTE interview.

Sure ask the Irish Law Society, who already exposed him, or ask the Phoenix Magazine, which just ran a piece on this last Friday...

He better have a good lawyer, because he's gonna need to sue a lot of people... including the other parties who WILL be hitting him with this the next election they put a candidate in.

Phoebas · 11-04-2013 8:03pm

bgrizzley wrote: »

you see a flaw in being honest with the revenue? Please do tell...

Yeah. They'll also want your cash.

darkhorse · 11-04-2013 8:14pm

Phoebas wrote: »

That should be raising a red flag - when you agree with absolutely everything that a party espouses (especially when the policies of that party are at the same time self contradictory and crazy).

Yeah. I don't want to see every cent of our taxes be sent somewhere to pay debtswhich were accrued by other people (I say somewhere, as our government told usthat they do not know to whom our money is be paid).

I don't want to see the most vunerable in our society have their money cutso much that they find it hard to properly feed their kids.

I don't want to see my kids and their friends having to leave this countryin droves (approx 90,000 each year, too late for many who already had to leave).

I could keep going, but there is no point.

It is policies which caused the likes of these things to happen is really what should have raised a red flag.

dxhound2005 · 11-04-2013 8:15pm

This very important event does not seem to have got much coverage in the mainstream media (RTE bias?). These are the people who 15 months ago promised that they would smash the HHC and advised people Don't Register, Don't Pay, Just Do Nothing. I wonder how many of their TD's and the likes of Eamonn Dunphy and Mary Byrne have since paid up. I think we should be told.

http://www.moneyguideireland.com/

Anyone going along should be aware that Eirigi and the SWP, those well known defenders of the rights of private property will be there.

http://www.eirigi.org/

http://www.swp.ie/

MilanPan!c · 11-04-2013 8:17pm

darkhorse wrote: »

Yeah. I don't want to see every cent of our taxes be sent somewhere to pay debtswhich were accrued by other people (I say somewhere, as our government told usthat they do not know to whom our money is be paid).

I don't want to see the most vunerable in our society have their money cutso much that they find it hard to properly feed their kids.

I don't want to see my kids and their friends having to leave this countryin droves (approx 90,000 each year, too late for many who already had to leave).

I could keep going, but there is no point.

It is policies which caused the likes of these things to happen is really what should have raised a red flag.

Replacing crap politicians with nutters is not a step in the right direction.

paddy147 · 11-04-2013 8:22pm

MilanPan!c wrote: »

Replacing crap politicians with nutters is not a step in the right direction.

See whats going on in Italy.

A comedian bet all the politicians.:D

bgrizzley · 11-04-2013 8:23pm

Phoebas wrote: »

Yeah. They'll also want your cash.

well, unfortunately they wont get it.

MilanPan!c · 11-04-2013 8:24pm

paddy147 wrote: »

See whats going on in Italy.

A comedian bet all the politicians.:D

I'd take Dylan Moran over Jim Corr any day.

darkhorse · 11-04-2013 8:27pm

MilanPan!c wrote: »

PUH-leeze do....

Then have him explain why he's giving away this guys book:

Then ask him about his ties to a group that the FBI considers to be terrorists.

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2010/april/sovereigncitizens_041310

And ask him why he pretends to be confused about why people would associate him with freemen, when HE CALLS THEM AND ASKS THEM TO SHOW UP TO HIS MEDIA EVENTS.

Or maybe you don't think Freeman ****e is crazy?

In which case you yerself are a nutter.

Here's what one of the biggest newspapers in the south says about his cult:

http://www.commercialappeal.com/sovereign-nation/[/QUOTE]

Is there a point to this post, if so, what is it?

Slick50 · 11-04-2013 8:30pm

daveyeh wrote: »

Is there a source for this info?

Josephine Feehily, when she was directly questioned if a person was obliged to provide the details of the actual owner, she changed her response to "we strongly ask"... just before she stopped making her regular appearances on our screens.

melekalikimaka wrote:

'its easier the blame the government for our problems'

Didn't you hear Bertie telling us things were going to get "boomier".... we didn't know that would be our economy imploding.

This sh*te of "we're all at fault" just deflects from the facts, and therefore no lessons can be learnt from our situation.

Phoebas wrote: »

That should be raising a red flag - when you agree with absolutely everything that a party espouses (especially when the policies of that party are at the same time self contradictory and crazy).

Are you related to DV Power, your posts display a lot of his traits.

Phoebas wrote: »

I say this is the same for a lot of people. Whatever slim chance of it being abolished when it was the household charge died when it was handed over to the Revenue.

Still some slow learners about.

From the journal

Revenue chairwoman Josephine Feehily this morning said there may be some initial errors in the rollout of the charge, as it does not have any existing comprehensive record of properties in the country, meaning a “small minority” of households may have forms posted to them in error.

Revenue have exactly, the same problem as local councils, no data base. As long as enough people hold out, they have a nigh on impossible task. It would be far easier to collect if they just increased PAYE, and/or introduced a third tier of tax for higher earners.

MilanPan!c · 11-04-2013 8:31pm

darkhorse wrote: »

MilanPan!c wrote: »

PUH-leeze do....

Then have him explain why he's giving away this guys book:

Then ask him about his ties to a group that the FBI considers to be terrorists.

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2010/april/sovereigncitizens_041310

And ask him why he pretends to be confused about why people would associate him with freemen, when HE CALLS THEM AND ASKS THEM TO SHOW UP TO HIS MEDIA EVENTS.

Or maybe you don't think Freeman ****e is crazy?

In which case you yerself are a nutter.

Here's what one of the biggest newspapers in the south says about his cult:

http://www.commercialappeal.com/sovereign-nation/[/QUOTE]

Is there a point to this post, if so, what is it?

If you can't figure it out, it might explain why you're being suckered by these liars.

Do you believe in Freemanism?

genuine leather · 11-04-2013 8:33pm

bgrizzley wrote: »

Why are all you so scared of the Revenue? have you something to hide?

They are not the devil...

Read their customers charter and if they ask be honest with them and tell them you wont pay this tax as you object to it morally(as our glorious leader did:pac:).

some people here obviously have greater issues with them than a small home tax...

No tax issues bgrizzley, nout to hide, thanks be the jebus...
just dont want to bark up their tree....
Agreed one can talk and deal with them( dont know about lpt)in a way im leaning torwards the side of we re up the creak without a paddle in this country at the min, with leinster house dudes talking from boths sides of their mouth.
Personally i think the irish people at the coalface will build this country back up again,hard a task as it may be, we did it before,well do it again. we are just the bigger number hence they come after us.
GL

Phoebas · 11-04-2013 8:38pm

darkhorse wrote: »

Yeah. I don't want to see every cent of our taxes be sent somewhere to pay debtswhich were accrued by other people (I say somewhere, as our government told usthat they do not know to whom our money is be paid).

I don't want to see the most vunerable in our society have their money cutso much that they find it hard to properly feed their kids.

I don't want to see my kids and their friends having to leave this countryin droves (approx 90,000 each year, too late for many who already had to leave).

I could keep going, but there is no point.

It is policies which caused the likes of these things to happen is really what should have raised a red flag.

How do you see the 'policies' of DDI delivering this for you?

bgrizzley · 11-04-2013 8:44pm

Slick50 wrote: »

Are you related to DV Power, your posts display a lot of his traits.
.

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

Phoebas · 11-04-2013 8:44pm

bgrizzley wrote: »

well, unfortunately they wont get it.

And how do you plan on preventing them?

Ogham · 11-04-2013 8:51pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

This very important event does not seem to have got much coverage in the mainstream media (RTE bias?). These are the people who 15 months ago promised that they would smash the HHC and advised people Don't Register, Don't Pay, Just Do Nothing. I wonder how many of their TD's and the likes of Eamonn Dunphy and Mary Byrne have since paid up. I think we should be told.

http://www.moneyguideireland.com/

Just thought I would put the full link to that actual page instead of your link to the home page.
http://www.moneyguideireland.com/property-tax-protest-march-in-dublin-on-saturday.html

bgrizzley · 11-04-2013 8:52pm

Phoebas wrote: »

And how do you plan on preventing them?

maybe if they take me to court, (and thats only a maybe) but thats about it...

bgrizzley · 11-04-2013 9:04pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

This very important event does not seem to have got much coverage in the mainstream media (RTE bias?). These are the people who 15 months ago promised that they would smash the HHC and advised people Don't Register, Don't Pay, Just Do Nothing. I wonder how many of their TD's and the likes of Eamonn Dunphy and Mary Byrne have since paid up. I think we should be told.

http://www.moneyguideireland.com/

Anyone going along should be aware that Eirigi and the SWP, those well known defenders of the rights of private property will be there.

http://www.eirigi.org/

http://www.swp.ie/

Ogham wrote: »

Just thought I would put the full link to that actual page instead of your link to the home page.
http://www.moneyguideireland.com/property-tax-protest-march-in-dublin-on-saturday.html

If i may, ill just add the bus timetable to DXs link also, (:)).

http://nohouseholdtax.org/list-of-buses-for-the-rally-on-april13th/

Phoebas · 11-04-2013 9:05pm

bgrizzley wrote: »

maybe if they take me to court, (and thats only a maybe) but thats about it...

But Revenue won't need to take you to court. They'll just take it out of your salary or social welfare payments.

And if you don't have any of these and they do take you to court, they'll win the case, and then you'll pay.
Basically I can't see any way of avoiding the LPT.

bgrizzley · 11-04-2013 9:12pm

Phoebas wrote: »

But Revenue won't need to take you to court. They'll just take it out of your salary or social welfare payments.

And if you don't have any of these and they do take you to court, they'll win the case, and then you'll pay.
Basically I can't see any way of avoiding the LPT.

i dont have either, (and that still wouldnt make me pay:eek:)

RTE & the property tax

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