RTE & the property tax

Le_Dieux

Am I the only one who thinks RTE are being one-sided in payment of this cursed PT? Mary Wilson, bless Her she sounded nice and fresh after her easter break, had a woman on the programme this evening talking as if everyone is paying this tax. Is everyone? I know I'm not, as I haven't got the money for one thing. But am I in the minority here?

Or are RTE trying to satisfy their paymasters by being one-sided with what they broadcast? I have yet to hear a programme where they pit a pro against an anti in a discussion on RTE radio ( which I listen to almost all the time).

PS: I will post a link for that interview mentioned above when they put it up on the net - I think they only put the podcasts up 24 hours after the broadcast.

Phoebas

You think RTE should be putting the criminal evader side of the argument for 'balance'?

Lawrence1895

RTE = state broadcaster = controlled by the government = not saying anything negative about the Property Tax?

schnitzelEater

What's there to be one sided about?

It's a legal tax, pay it. Simples.

Last thing we should do is give air time to the soap dodgers.

kneemos

There is no option for not paying it,it will come from your wages.

Banjo String

Mid April and I've still no correspondence from revenue.

I'll ignore any I do get mind you, and OP is most definitely not in minority.


Labour are about to pull the pin on the coalition anyway I suspect. That will result in a general election, and will have political parties climbing over each other with offers of scrapping the tax in return for their vote.

Once you pay, doubtful you'll get a refund.

mike65

Le_Dieux wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks RTE are being one-sided in payment of this cursed PT? Mary Wilson, bless Her she sounded nice and fresh after her easter break, had a woman on the programme this evening talking as if everyone is paying this tax. Is everyone? I know I'm not, as I haven't got the money for one thing. But am I in the minority here?

Or are RTE trying to satisfy their paymasters by being one-sided with what they broadcast? I have yet to hear a programme where they pit a pro against an anti in a discussion on RTE radio ( which I listen to almost all the time).

PS: I will post a link for that interview mentioned above when they put it up on the net - I think they only put the podcasts up 24 hours after the broadcast.

You will, even if the social have to take it 20 euro a week from your Dole (if you are on the dole).

Labour are about to pull the pin on the coalition anyway I suspect

Pfffffft! They are not going to do any such thing, the best they can hope for its to see out this term to the final day and hope that by then things are looking better. If they leave now they will be punished more than FG.

dxhound2005

SamHall wrote: »

Mid April and I've still no pun pincorrespondence from revenue.

I'll ignore any I do get mind you, and OP is most definitely not in minority.


Labour are about to pull the pin on the coalition anyway I suspect. That will result in a general election, and will have political parties climbing over each other with offers of scrapping the tax in return for their vote.

Once you pay, doubtful you'll get a refund.

About to? When?

Cee-Jay-Cee

RTE are slaves/puppets of the government and are being forced (willingly) to pedal false info regarding the tax in the hope that people will be fooled into believing everyone else is paying so therefore they should too.

Banjo String

dxhound2005 wrote: »

About to? When?

I'll give Gilmore until June/July

Nessa will be the latest member to attempt a 'New Labour' party with the others.

The writings on the wall.

mike65

CJC999 wrote: »

RTE are slaves/puppets of the government and are being forced (willingly) to pedal false info regarding the tax in the hope that people will be fooled into believing everyone else is paying so therefore they should too.

There is no should about this, its like motor tax you pay it, or you are off the road except even more so as you can't park up your house until you have the money!

Phoebas

CJC999 wrote: »

RTE are slaves/puppets of the government and are being forced (willingly) to pedal false info regarding the tax in the hope that people will be fooled into believing everyone else is paying so therefore they should too.

Specifically what false information about the LPT have RTE been peddling?

schnitzelEater

CJC999 wrote: »

RTE are slaves/puppets of the government and are being forced (willingly) to pedal false info regarding the tax in the hope that people will be fooled into believing everyone else is paying so therefore they should too.

Conspiracy Theories forum that way -->

For Forks Sake

SamHall wrote: »

I'll give Gilmore until June/July

Nessa will be the latest member to attempt a 'New Labour' party with the others.

The writings on the wall.

Nessa will have joined up with, and left New Labour in a huff by July given her track record.

Le_Dieux

schnitzelEater wrote: »

What's there to be one sided about?

It's a legal tax, pay it. Simples.

Last thing we should do is give air time to the soap dodgers.

I didn't ask for a lecture on the morals of paying this 'tax'. I asked if I was alone in not paying it...simples!

Banjo String

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Nessa will have joined up with, and left New Labour in a huff by July given her track record.

She will be able to afford it with the pension.

Doubtful she will go hungry.

pitkan

Le_Dieux wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks RTE are being one-sided in payment of this cursed PT? Mary Wilson, bless Her she sounded nice and fresh after her easter break, had a woman on the programme this evening talking as if everyone is paying this tax. Is everyone? I know I'm not, as I haven't got the money for one thing. But am I in the minority here?

Or are RTE trying to satisfy their paymasters by being one-sided with what they broadcast? I have yet to hear a programme where they pit a pro against an anti in a discussion on RTE radio ( which I listen to almost all the time).

PS: I will post a link for that interview mentioned above when they put it up on the net - I think they only put the podcasts up 24 hours after the broadcast.

Whoever is in power wags the RTE tail.
I'm quite happy to be branded as a 'criminal evader' as it puts me up there with the haugheys/ahearns/wallaces of this fair land.
I wont be paying it either so, if the take it from me by other means then they will be robbing me.

Le_Dieux

pitkan wrote: »

Whoever is in power wags the RTE tail.
I'm quite happy to be branded as a 'criminal evader' as it puts me up there with the haugheys/ahearns/wallaces of this fair land.
I wont be paying it either so, if the take it from me by other means then they will be robbing me.

And there is the conundrum Pitkan: I can see a deluge of law suits emanating form this, and then what? They will suspend the 'collection' of this 'tax' while the pillaging of a person's salary/bank account will be mired in court.

SEPT 23 1989

pitkan wrote: »

Whoever is in power wags the RTE tail.
I'm quite happy to be branded as a 'criminal evader' as it puts me up there with the haugheys/ahearns/wallaces of this fair land.
I wont be paying it either so, if the take it from me by other means then they will be robbing me.

Have you been on the wrong side of Revenue before?

mikom

http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/letter.jpg

Something you won't see from the luvvies at RTE.

evolving_doors

pitkan wrote: »

Whoever is in power wags the RTE tail.
I'm quite happy to be branded as a 'criminal evader' as it puts me up there with the haugheys/ahearns/wallaces of this fair land.

ya don't worry I'm sure youll be let off just like bertie and charlie were... Face it fella yor an ordinary joe like the rest of us..you might a well rob a bank and use that defence for the judge..

pitkan

Le_Dieux wrote: »

And there is the conundrum Pitkan: I can see a deluge of law suits emanating form this, and then what? They will suspend the 'collection' of this 'tax' while the pillaging of a person's salary/bank account will be mired in court.

I can genuinely say that if they take from by any other means other than by my consent then they are robbing me.

The Queen of England

pitkan wrote: »

I can genuinely say that if they take from by any other means other than by my consent then they are robbing me.

LOL

pitkan

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Have you been on the wrong side of Revenue before?

Why do you ask?

kneemos

pitkan wrote: »

I can genuinely say that if they take from by any other means other than by my consent then they are robbing me.

They'll be robbing you in the same way as income tax,psc,and prsi is robbing you.

pitkan

kneemos wrote: »

They'll be robbing you in the same way as income tax,psc,and prsi is robbing you.

I dont have a problem with paying income tax or prsi. No union took a stance on usc but I'll be damned if I'll volunteer for the household tax.

coolemon

pitkan wrote: »

Why do you ask?

Cause he's trying to put the fear of god into you. That or he believes revenue have god like powers with a god like army to follow up and implement those powers.

Im with the devil.

pitkan

mikom wrote: »

http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/letter.jpg

Something you won't see from the luvvies at RTE.

1.4 million people in this country are refusing to pat this tax.

Waits for the cry'LINKS'

pitkan

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Have you been on the wrong side of Revenue before?

Not to my knowledge.
Both this, and the previous Government have been legally robbing me since January 2011 by a promotion given to me which carried none, NONE, of the conditions/entitlements attached to others of a similar ranking.
And, robbing me is the only way they'll get this tax from me.
Roll on Saturday at Dublin Castle.

mikom

Revenue will run this tax for approx two years to put the shits up folks, so that they all offer up their name and house location.
I predict after the two years are up and most folks have been roped in, then this tax collection will be auctioned off to a collection company.
This collection company like all the other leeches in this country will get fat off the new poor.

I would also like to alert people to the reason behind the fact that there are so many "inaccurate" valuations of homes being sent out.
It causes Mary and Paddy to get stroppy and send in their own valuation as a two fingers to the government.
Those "two fingers" are the entrapment.

I would like to add as a home owner that I have not received a letter yet.
I have no chance of putting my name forward to pay "rent" to the state on something I worked hard for and own outright.
I will also not be giving them the location of my septic tank.

They can come around with my local guard if they like............... but they will have to book him between 1 and 2 or 7 and 8, as he is not in the barracks at any other times.

Phoebas

pitkan wrote: »

Waits for the cry'LINKS'

Don't be mad. You can't provide a link to your imagination.

oldyouth

Le_Dieux wrote: »

I didn't ask for a lecture on the morals of paying this 'tax'. I asked if I was alone in not paying it...simples!

I'll pay it, reluctantly

coolemon

mikom wrote: »

I would also like to alert people to the reason behind the fact that there are so many "inaccurate" valuations of homes being sent out.
It causes Mary and Paddy to get stroppy and send in their own valuation as a two fingers to the government.
Those "two fingers" are the entrapment.

It also serves to shift the discourse in the media from "no way im not paying" type discussions to "they overvalued my house".

The former is a discourse about resistance. The latter is an acceptance of the process.

If one is not paying, one dosnt give a **** what the value placed on the house is. But that discussion has been bypassed completely by one of discussing the incorrectness of the valuations/incompetency of the Revenue etc.

melekalikimaka

i hope that everyone one of these muppets that wont pay the tax be named and shamed publicly into a stone tablet to be left in the city center for generations to come to shame their offspring, utter fools of the highest order. they are gonna get their cash off you full stop, huffing and puffing isnt going to work, if labour arent their to support the socialist bottom feeders, who will? SF - ha

pitkan

Phoebas wrote: »

Don't be mad. You can't provide a link to your imagination.

Ok. The Government put out the figure that 700,000 households had not paid the household charge.
Because of the prices that houses escalated to, remember the word "Gazoomp", would have necessitated two people as morgagees and as either named 'owner' is liable then, 2x700,000=1,400,000.

mikom

I will add that RTE are well behind this tax as it makes it easier to land you with the broadcasting tax once you are in the loop.

These cunts are only looking out for number one.

Don't gobble up their shite.......... no matter how much they wrap it up in Bressie and the Angelus.

melekalikimaka

pitkan wrote: »

Ok. The Government put out the figure that 700,000 households had not paid the household charge.
Because of the prices that houses escalated to, remember the word "Gazoomp", would have necessitated two people as morgagees and as either named 'owner' is liable then, 2x700,000=1,400,000.

:rolleyes:

mikom

melekalikimaka wrote: »

i hope that everyone one of these muppets that wont pay the tax be named and shamed publicly into a stone tablet to be left in the city center for generations to come to shame their offspring, utter fools of the highest order. they are gonna get their cash off you full stop, huffing and puffing isnt going to work, if labour arent their to support the socialist bottom feeders, who will? SF - ha

Stick us in Stubbs gazette if there is enough space left after our minister for "health" is dealt with.

Fr_Dougal

melekalikimaka wrote: »

i hope that everyone one of these muppets that wont pay the tax be named and shamed publicly into a stone tablet to be left in the city center for generations to come to shame their offspring, utter fools of the highest order. they are gonna get their cash off you full stop, huffing and puffing isnt going to work, if labour arent their to support the socialist bottom feeders, who will? SF - ha

The fools are the ones that are paying it. Baaaaaa baaaaa.

evolving_doors

Meh even Mary Lou was too coy this morning, when she was pressed a to whether she wa going to pay it (even though she was encouraging us plebs not too pay it.)..her response after being repeatedly asked if she was going to pay it...

"Im not of a mind to pay it"

What the hell does that mean?

melekalikimaka

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

The fools are the ones that are paying it. Baaaaaa baaaaa.

:rolleyes:

paddy147

schnitzelEater wrote: »

What's there to be one sided about?

It's a legal tax, pay it. Simples.

Last thing we should do is give air time to the soap dodgers.

There will be alot of soap dodgers this Saturday afternoon so...at the anti property tax rally in Dublin City.

pitkan

melekalikimaka wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Yes, I know the feeling. A Government figure. And sure aren't they only famous for telling the truth.:P

Fr_Dougal

melekalikimaka wrote: »

:rolleyes:

melekalikimaka wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Is that you, Bertie?

Phoebas

pitkan wrote: »

Ok. The Government put out the figure that 700,000 households had not paid the household charge.

All of those unpaid €100 household charges are automatically converted to a €200 local property tax.

They'll all be paying it. The only question is how much interest and penalties will they pay on top.

Phoebas

paddy147 wrote: »

There will be alot of soap dodgers this Saturday afternoon so...at the anti property tax rally in Dublin City.

How many hundred people are expected to show up for that?

schnitzelEater

Le_Dieux wrote: »

I didn't ask for a lecture on the morals of paying this 'tax'. I asked if I was alone in not paying it...simples!

Noted. Now pay up like the rest of us.

paddy147

Phoebas wrote: »

How many hundred people are expected to show up for that?

Ah sure Im sure RTE will tell us all the "Exact" numbers....:pac::rolleyes:

evolving_doors

Jeez what's this conspiracy rant against rte.. Any proof that tv3 is encouraging people NOT to pay it..

Banjo String

Your house is now seen as low hanging fruit.

This will be plucked now in order to keep some other members of our society in good financial health.

Public service pensions are also defined-benefit schemes. But these schemes are solvent, being funded mainly by taxpayers, many of whom are members of pension funds in deficit and in difficulty; and some of whom are solely reliant on the State pension in their retirement. Clearly, there is a need for a serious debate on the pensions crisis.


Indeed, no greater challenge faces the Government than that presented by the national pensions crisis. Most private sector schemes have been closed to new members, and some may be forced to wind up their operations, resulting in huge financial losses for members. In the public sector the pensions bill,which is financed mainly from tax revenue, has soared in recent years.


Public service pension costs have risen from €1.6 billion in 2008 to €2.5 billion in 2012. This rise reflects an almost two-thirds rise in pensioner numbers in four years, as more public servants have reached retirement age, while many have taken the option of early retirement. The shortfall in the social insurance fund – used to pay State pension and other welfare payments – reached €1.5 billion in 2011. And the deficit is set to rise in the years ahead. Without policy changes, the accumulated deficits, estimates indicate, could in current money terms reach €324 billion by 2066.

http://www.irishtimes.com/debate/a-national-pensions-crisis-1.955339

What I find truly disgusting about that article is , tax payers in the private industry are funding a pension for those in the public sector. Even while their own pension collapses around their ears.

Property tax to fund local services?

Yeah right.


And as for RTE being pro tax? They can hardly be anti tax when they ask you each year for a license fee to watch unfiltered shyte, speoken and played by amateur plebs.

schnitzelEater

paddy147 wrote: »

There will be alot of soap dodgers this Saturday afternoon so...at the anti property tax rally in Dublin City.

Hundreds of thousand? Or hundreds?

I suppose the same people think we should continue to run a deficit of a billion a month indefinitely.