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Conor McGregor
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Yeah but he is bigger than McGregor. Like actually bigger, in size.
There's no way that skill could over come size, ever.
Why do they have weight classes? After a certain point it does not matter so much but size/strength is as important as skill, imagine an average HW vs a top 135lber, it would be a murder and who ever signed of on it in the commission would be jailed.
Certainly 20 years ago it was less important I.e a relatively small gracie dominating larger opponents but that's before people had a basic understanding of take down defence or sub defence, I would wager that one month's sub defence training Would have helped them guys back then, simple things like keeping your chin tucked to stop the RNC or not leave arms out. Gracie also had the benefit of wearing the gi for friction and to help with chokes.
Look am not being ridiculous here but a larger guy can give up a good bit of skill on a smaller guy, am not saying an average slob with no training will beat a smaller skilled man but it makes a massive difference. It's not even just about weight, there is also reach to consider, a 145lber will give up about 10-12" which is a massive disadvantage for the smaller man.
For me personally I think the difference between 145 and 155 is massive, if I was doing a days sparring with bj Penn I would be wanting to make sure I had my head gear on right lol and then after 175 weight is even less important but you have to admit these 135/145 boys are tiny, let's do a ridiculous comparison.
No1 135lber I think most would agree would be faber, imagine him against a poor LHW, not even a HW so faber vs tito ortiz, can't see anything other than ortiz byKO or brutal ground and pound.
There is probably a ratio that would work close enough for most cases I.e give up 20% skill but have a 40% weight and x amount reach advantage = <>.
Now do I actually believe I would beat Connor McGregor in a fight? No lol, I haven't stepped into the gym in over 5 years but from my experience sparing the smaller guys including some Irish champions I wouldn't have been exactly scarred to get into the ring with him, I was fighting fit @ 225lbs and would have about 10" reach advantage, I was never a good boxer and have more broken noses than fights though so using my ratio above taking account my weight and reach advantage he would still kick my ass haha. But I maintain weight is important and there are plenty of non - pro fighters out there who could whoop world champs who are 100lbs lighter than them.0 -
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Obviously. I don't think any reasonable person has suggested otherwise. I was laughing at the notion that "I'm bigger, of course I'd win"Just to weigh in on this size thing one of the best known flyweights in Ireland started on a +100kg guy a few years ago and was flung around like a rag doll, at a certain point size does matter.
Of course it would. We aren't talking about average, or even below average fighters here.Why do they have weight classes? After a certain point it does not matter so much but size/strength is as important as skill, imagine an average HW vs a top 135lber, it would be a murder and who ever signed of on it in the commission would be jailed.
No it wouldn't have. They might not have made retarded mistakes, but they would have still be sub'd with some pretty straight forward stuff.Certainly 20 years ago it was less important I.e a relatively small gracie dominating larger opponents but that's before people had a basic understanding of take down defence or sub defence, I would wager that one month's sub defence training Would have helped them guys back then, simple things like keeping your chin tucked to stop the RNC or not leave arms out.
They weren't all complete grappling novices either. Ken Shamrock had years of submission grappling behind him by UFC 1. He was already 4-0, all wins by submission.
I've a feeling you said that before and were ridiculed.Gracie also had the benefit of wearing the gi for friction and to help with chokes.
The gi is a advantage for the opponent. It gives the opponent more chokes than the wearer. A bit of friction verses there's grips everywhere for the other guy.
The advantage it gave Royce that Ken thought he was a karate guy with no ground game, and went for a sloppy heel hook. Royce passed and choked.
Fairly stupid to not check Royce's style out, or even watch his first fight.
My post wasn't actually aimed at you. You mentioned sparring/rolling with guys 100lbs smaller. I was refering untrained, unskilled, (as you put it) average slobs. I was talking about "He's tiny, I'm 50lbs bigger, I'd crush him".Look am not being ridiculous here but a larger guy can give up a good bit of skill on a smaller guy, am not saying an average slob with no training will beat a smaller skilled man but it makes a massive difference.
On a related note, a casual observer is probably over-estimating their weight advantage. Fighting at 145lbs, does not means weighing 145lbs. 50lbs is probably 30lbs in reality.No1 135lber I think most would agree would be faber, imagine him against a poor LHW, not even a HW so faber vs tito ortiz, can't see anything other than ortiz byKO or brutal ground and pound.
Faber is top 135er. Really?
Don't let Renan here you say that.
Shit. You pissed him off now.
...and why has Tito got to do with anything. I don;t think he's is boasting on random forums that he's flatten McGregor. We aren't talking about training guys here.
lol, We really have gone miles off topic, apologies, back to McGregor.
Are you just guessing at 10". I'd be surprised if you did tbh.Now do I actually believe I would beat Connor McGregor in a fight? No... would have about 10" reach advantage,
Conor has a huge reach for a 145er. Possibly the biggest in the division at 72". Sonnen, Belfort and Machida are all 74" - a mere 2" advantage.
Obviously, I don't know your stats, but its unlikely you are built like Jones.
Obviously weight is important. Especially with trained guys. You are arguing against a point nobody is making. Nobody with any sense would suggest it comes down to skill alone. The suggestion was that size conquers all. I'm sure you see the difference.But I maintain weight is important and there are plenty of non - pro fighters out there who could whoop world champs who are 100lbs lighter than them.
100lbs is a massive advantage, obviously.
The post I was mocking wasn't talking about 100lbs bigger. It was 50, which as I said above is prob only really 30lbs. 0 -
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