Student paramedic 2013

medic780

Hi guys the HSE have advertised for student paramedics here:
http://www.publicjobs.ie/publicjobs/campaignAdvert/7636.htm
Take note of the short timeframe in which to apply for these positions. Best of luck to anybody who does apply.

sjb25

medic780 wrote: »

Hi guys the HSE have advertised for student paramedics here:
http://www.publicjobs.ie/publicjobs/campaignAdvert/7636.htm
Take note of the short timeframe in which to apply for these positions. Best of luck to anybody who does apply.

Brilliant best of luck everybody

kwall04

Does any one know the timelines involved or compensation for training? hope it does not drag on as long as the ico positions!

sjb25

kwall04 wrote: »

Does any one know the timelines involved or compensation for training? hope it does not drag on as long as the ico positions!

All information on timeframes and everything is in the additional candidate information booklet on the site

5500

Best of luck to all applying!

seven_eleven

Kicking myself I dont have the C1 licence yet. Was planning to get it this summer.

Oh well.....2020 recruitment here I come! :cool:

EDIT: AAAARRRGGGGHHHH! I CANT BELIEVE HOW AGITATED THIS IS MAKING ME FEEL!

djor88

Too bad about the C1 licence needed before applying, makes it a lot easier for HSE though during the paper sift. Best of luck to all who apply!

iceage

Question re the C1 licence..

"Be the holder of a full unendorsed Class C1 Driving Licence on application. (Note UK 101 Restriction, NI 79 (NFHR) Restriction & Irish 78 Restriction is not acceptable)"

What's the story with the UK 101 restriction? Passed my driving test in the Uk and kept my C1 but now its seems its not accepted??

Edit. Seems to be a medical is required to renew the C1, which I've passed because I renewed once already my C1 is valid up until 8/20116
Phew!!

flazio

Is an early close for applications likely if they get a lot of them?

Mycroft H

iceage wrote: »

Question re the C1 licence..

"Be the holder of a full unendorsed Class C1 Driving Licence on application. (Note UK 101 Restriction, NI 79 (NFHR) Restriction & Irish 78 Restriction is not acceptable)"

What's the story with the UK 101 restriction? Passed my driving test in the Uk and kept my C1 but now its seems its not accepted??

Edit. Seems to be a medical is required to renew the C1, which I've passed because I renewed once already my C1 is valid up until 8/20116
Phew!!

Isn't the 101 restriction something to do with someone who gained the licence by grandfather rights? ie. never actually have sat the test. My father has that from 1991.

Bang Bang

The UK 101 Restriction is 'Not for hire or reward'. This means that you cannot make a profit or living based on your licence category.
This restriction has been in place for a number of years and effected many applicants going back to the days of requiring just a D1 licence.

So if you have a UK driving licence with restriction '101' next to the required category then your licence is not valid for the purpose of and does not meet the criteria for the student paramedic recruitment competition. Therefore your application will be rendered invalid.

Mycroft H

Nothing is mentioned of the D1? Just the C on public Jobs.

Bang Bang

BX 19 wrote: »

Nothing is mentioned of the D1? Just the C on public Jobs.

I was just using the D1 as an example to show that the '101 restriction' with regard to the driving licence and application to the Ambulance Service has been in place for quite a few years now, it's not a new policy.

If you hold a UK licence and it has '101' next to a category then that category of licence cannot be used for hire or reward, this renders it invalid for the application because you are 'rewarded' as in you earn a salary partly based on your driving licence as it is a requirement for the job.

Mycroft H

Bang Bang wrote: »

I was just using the D1 as an example to show that the '101 restriction' with regard to the driving licence and application to the Ambulance Service has been in place for quite a few years now, it's not a new policy.

If you hold a UK licence and it has '101' next to a category then that category of licence cannot be used for hire or reward, this renders it invalid for the application because you are 'rewarded' as in you earn a salary partly based on your driving licence as it is a requirement for the job.

Ahh I get ya.

D1 is required too

Candidate must hold a full unendorsed Class D1 Licence OR secure, at their own expense, as a provision of their contract of employment, a full Class D1 Licence within 12 months of commencement of employment or within 12 months of reaching the age of 21. Failure to meet this mandatory requirement will result in termination of employment, at the discretion
of management.

From here:

http://www.publicjobs.ie/publicjobs/publication/document/NRS0845_Additional_Campaign_Information_Student_Paramedic.pdf

If I don't get this, I'm off to scotland, sick of this country.

Bang Bang

flazio wrote: »

Is an early close for applications likely if they get a lot of them?

No.

medic780

BX 19 wrote: »

Nothing is mentioned of the D1? Just the C on public Jobs.

It's mentioned in the additional campaign information

emmet the rover

annoying as my c test is on fri and the closing date is thursday. very annoying

Mycroft H

emmet the rover wrote: »

annoying as my c test is on fri and the closing date is thursday. very annoying

CANCELLATIONS! Ring the RSA at every free possibility!

iceage

Thanks for the clarification bang bang. Still a kick in the bollix though as this does not pose a problem driving with the C1 for Voluntaries such as Red Cross, Civil defence, Order of Malta etc.

I take it that I would have to take and pass a C1 CPC then to remove the 101 restriction?

Edit:

Found this on the RSA website.
http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Learner%20Drivers/inserts_explanation_codes.pdf

Mycroft H

iceage wrote: »

Thanks for the clarification bang bang. Still a kick in the bollix though as this does not pose a problem driving with the C1 for Voluntaries such as Red Cross, Civil defence, Order of Malta etc.

I take it that I would have to take and pass a C1 CPC then to remove the 101 restriction?

Edit:

Found this on the RSA website.
http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Learner%20Drivers/inserts_explanation_codes.pdf

Do you hold a UK licence or an ROI licence?

iceage

I exchanged my UK licence for an Irish one back in 1996. Way I'm reading it now.. 101 is a restriction "not for gain" in the UK, and 101 on a pink Irish Licence(Which I have) is for a regular Medical, which is due Aug 2016.

Bang Bang

iceage wrote: »

I exchanged my UK licence for an Irish one back in 1996. Way I'm reading it now.. 101 is a restriction "not for gain" in the UK, and 101 on a pink Irish Licence(Which I have) is for a regular Medical, which is due Aug 2016.

If you have the Irish EU model with restriction 101 then you are fine. If it has restriction 78 then you do not meet the criteria.

This is how it was some years ago when the D1 was mandatory on application. Some folk had and held onto their UK licence, some went to the UK for the test as the waiting times were minimal compared to up to one year in places here. In the UK you could pass a car test and also be rewarded a D1 licence but it had the restriction 101 not for hire or reward.

I think you'll be fine based on my interpretation of your licence and restriction, as in you hold an Irish licence with restriction 101 - Medical.

The best of luck.

iceage

Thanks again for that clarification bang bang, I also believe that is the case and I have no 78 restriction. There are some other things I have to weigh up re the requirements/logistics for the application but at least that should put the license issue to bed hopefully.

Best of luck to any here who decide to take the leap as well, I'm sure I'll be stalking about here for info for a while.

D Trent

I'm 18 and was about to apply when I saw that you need a science subject from leaving cert which I don't have. I'm in the Civil Defence and got my C licence in Jan without having to do CPC. Such a pain in the ass :mad:

Mycroft H

Yea, the science subject is a little bit silly to be honest. It's not as if they're relevant. I did physics for my LC years ago which has sweet F all to do with emergency medicine, yet still is accepted as a science subject.

It's even more sillier that they require a C1 on application. Scottish Ambulance Service just require a manual B permit.

D Trent

I'M sure the reason the HSE, being the HSE, want you to have C1 full and D1 prov licences is to save them money from training their staff to drive them vehicles. The various county councils are following suit w/regards to hiring fire service personnel. effing cutbacks

Bang Bang

D Trent wrote: »

I'M sure the reason the HSE, being the HSE, want you to have C1 full and D1 prov licences is to save them money from training their staff to drive them vehicles. The various county councils are following suit w/regards to hiring fire service personnel. effing cutbacks

A full driving licence has always been a requirement for the ambulance service, I should add in modern times post the driver/attendant era.

When the first of the CEN compliant ambulances came along in late 2003 the category of licence changed because the weight of the vehicle went up. Current staff were allocated funds to apply for the theory and driving tests with vehicles being supplied for the test, no driving lessons or training were provided.

When recruitment began again with the taking in of qualified staff the entrance criteria changed to include the requirement to hold a C1 driving licence.
Driver training for all staff was then rolled out.

Recruitment from 2008 has been for student paramedics who come into the job and start from scratch so to speak, as in not qualified. Part of the entrance criteria included the requirement to hold a C1 driving licence.
Another module of paramedic training in Ireland includes comprehensive driver training. So you are in fact wrong in stating that the HSE want to save money by not providing driver training. As I've stated driver training is very much part of training to become a qualified paramedic. This training is fully funded by the HSE.

mad for road

D Trent wrote: »

I'm 18 and was about to apply when I saw that you need a science subject from leaving cert which I don't have. I'm in the Civil Defence and got my C licence in Jan without having to do CPC. Such a pain in the ass :mad:

If you are a registered EMT, you are exempt from needing a science subject in ur leaving cert. requirement of the c1 licence is because the weight of the ambulances.

madmaxvideo

Hi lads/ lassies! Am I right in saying this is the first of two recruitment drives between 2013/ 2014? Or do ya's recon i was mis-informed and this is it ontil the new cao course? Reason I ask is I'm due to sit the leaving this year (June) and have been waiting forever for NAS to recruit.....hoping I haven't missed the boat on this one.

fiverfriday

Pretty crap the way their only giving until 11/04/2013 for the C licence. I have my learners permit and was delighted this came up until I read that.

Going to go and do my C test as planned, and hopefully they'll recruit again in the near future for a similar post.

Best of Luck to all that have applied and meet the criteria.

FiverFriday!

Mycroft H

Bang Bang wrote: »

A full driving licence has always been a requirement for the ambulance service, I should add in modern times post the driver/attendant era.

When the first of the CEN compliant ambulances came along in late 2003 the category of licence changed because the weight of the vehicle went up. Current staff were allocated funds to apply for the theory and driving tests with vehicles being supplied for the test, no driving lessons or training were provided.

When recruitment began again with the taking in of qualified staff the entrance criteria changed to include the requirement to hold a C1 driving licence.
Driver training for all staff was then rolled out.

Recruitment from 2008 has been for student paramedics who come into the job and start from scratch so to speak, as in not qualified. Part of the entrance criteria included the requirement to hold a C1 driving licence.
Another module of paramedic training in Ireland includes comprehensive driver training. So you are in fact wrong in stating that the HSE want to save money by not providing driver training. As I've stated driver training is very much part of training to become a qualified paramedic. This training is fully funded by the HSE.

It's honestly cost saving measure I think. Scottish Ambulance Service fund the gaining to the C1 to successful Ambulance Technician applicants if they do not have hold it beforehand. They then are put through the IHCD driving course too, similar to the upcoming PHECC driving standard. So, yea, it's cost savings. Or perhaps the Scottish Ambulance Service has money to burn.

iceage

Easy lads.. Give Bang Bang a break, seems to have some relevant info. I'm more worried about my bloody Leaving cert results!

Mycroft H

Just some friendly debate with a clearly knowledgeable poster for a change

D Trent

mad for road wrote: »

If you are a registered EMT, you are exempt from needing a science subject in ur leaving cert. requirement of the c1 licence is because the weight of the ambulances.

Yeah I saw that. I'm just EFR atm

Pebbles!

Good luck to all applying. :-) Been a long time since there has been a recruitment drive and probably the last before It goes through CAO.

19hz

Pebbles! wrote: »

Good luck to all applying. :-) Been a long time since there has been a recruitment drive and probably the last before It goes through CAO.

What is the story with the CAO route, I have no doubt it will come in some day but has anything been set up/process of setting up yet?

antichrist

BX 19 wrote: »

It's honestly cost saving measure I think.

No its not. As stated before, since the arrival of CEN ambulances the NAS has required all applicants to hold a C1 licence.

Before that you were required to hold a B licence as that was the requirement to drive the ambulances at that time.

To state that it is only a cost saving measure is the same as saying "sure why do we even need a driving licence to begin with, surely the HSE can teach us to drive"

Since arrival of CEN ambulances (2003-2005 i think) the advice to anyone expressing an interest in joining the ambulance service was get yer C1, if you have failed to do that then its all on you for being badly prepared.

Bang Bang

iceage wrote: »

Easy lads.. Give Bang Bang a break, seems to have some relevant info. I'm more worried about my bloody Leaving cert results!

BX 19 wrote: »

Just some friendly debate with a clearly knowledgeable poster for a change

Cheers lads;)

Bang Bang

antichrist wrote: »

the advice to anyone expressing an interest in joining the ambulance service was get yer C1, if you have failed to do that then its all on you for being badly prepared.

I agree with you 100% AC, I've been giving that advice almost ten years now, more so since the recruitment of student paramedics began again in 2008. Folk asked me back then for advice and top of the list was the C1, yet I'm still amazed at the amount of folk who, even up to this week, ask me is it worth applying without the licence!! even though they've expressed an interest in a career as a Paramedic in the past, they have failed to prepare.

So for those out there who at present don't meet the criteria for whatever reason, still in school etc, my advice is get your education then get your driving licences sorted.

The best of luck to those of you applying for this recruitment.

Elessar

19hz wrote: »

What is the story with the CAO route, I have no doubt it will come in some day but has anything been set up/process of setting up yet?

I haven't heard anything. It seems inevitable, which is both a good and bad thing. Good because it will open the profession to degree level as standard and it will open up the training to more people, rather than having the HSE choose who and when. Bad because it will mean potentially hundreds of qualified paramedics graduating every few years with no jobs to go to.

Has anyone heard anything on it?

McCoy

hello all,

very best of luck to all who have applied, I can imagine intrest will be seriously high and competition fierce ?
it sounds like an excellent oppurtunity to whoever is lucky enopugh to get it....
Does anyone know how many remain on the previous panel (2010) ?

Scienceless

So what's the position for existing permanent HSE staff? (Outside NAS).
I mean, if I'm existing permanent staff, have a full C1 and D1, meet all other requirements, would I be required to resign my current HSE job and 'break' my service? (If I got on the panel)
Or can I transfer to NAS without any break in service??
I can't see an answer to this in the campaign info.

McCoy

Scienceless wrote: »

So what's the position for existing permanent HSE staff? (Outside NAS).
I mean, if I'm existing permanent staff, have a full C1 and D1, meet all other requirements, would I be required to resign my current HSE job and 'break' my service? (If I got on the panel)
Or can I transfer to NAS without any break in service??
I can't see an answer to this in the campaign info.

Id imagine you wouldnt have to resign your post until you sign the new contract ie when you start training, but im sure the people in recruitment would clear it up for you...

Would anyone know how likely i would be to get through the process without an EMT qualification ?... I know its not exactly a requirement but will it be expected of potential candidates you think ?

antichrist

The year I hear being banded about for cao applications is 2015, but that's at the very earliest from what I've heard.

If you are, for example, a porter in the hse. You resign from your position, at 23:59 and commence yer new contract at 00:00. This way, your pension is kept up to date and when you get a permanent contract (takes about 3 years) you can apply for your increments to carry over. Your HR dept should help more with this.

As for not having an emt qualification, some of the best paramedics I've worked with never done the emt course. While it will stand to some candidates, having a good head on your shoulders trumps it.

Scienceless

Is ballinasloe still open for training student paramedics or will training be dublin based?

seven_eleven

Am I the only one who hopes the CAO method doesnt come in? I think its an extremely poor system that only looks at the points of your leaving cert, which mean absolutely nothing.

Mycroft H

seven_eleven wrote: »

Am I the only one who hopes the CAO method doesnt come in? I think its an extremely poor system that only looks at the points of your leaving cert, which mean absolutely nothing.

If they model it after the UK college admissions, interviews are very much part of the application process.

Scienceless

seven_eleven wrote: »

Am I the only one who hopes the CAO method doesnt come in? I think its an extremely poor system that only looks at the points of your leaving cert, which mean absolutely nothing.

While the leaving cert system suits certain types of people more than others, and academic types will do well in it, to say your points mean nothing is ridiculous. Right or wrong it's the system in place, and while undergoing change, there are many people who applied themselves to do the best they could out if it, and you insult them with such a blanket statement. I learned the hard way that your leaving cert points do actually mean a lot.

madmaxvideo

seven_eleven wrote: »

Am I the only one who hopes the CAO method doesnt come in? I think its an extremely poor system that only looks at the points of your leaving cert, which mean absolutely nothing.

I agree with you 100% on the CAO method. It won't work here, on the basis that there is only two frontline ambulance services in the country and they, in the current climate, have really cut back on recruitment, there wont be a big demand for it. I can only imagine the amount of people qualified as paramedics around that won't upskill etc, look at the amount of EMTs around that are not affiliated to any of the vols etc, don't upskill and are still issued their emt license. On the other hand I think it is bad idea on the part of UCD that this and previous recruitment by the NAS, applicants need a leaving cert. I'm sure a lot of the older generation paramedics didn't have leaving certs but still became excellent paramedics. Anyone can study medicine and become a doctor without a leaving cert.

5500

I can understand a leaving cert but the equivalent of a degree doesn't seem right. On the national framework or qualifications, fetac level 5 is equivalent to a leaving cert, surely anyone who's done any of the plc courses relating to fire or ambulance that are level 5 should be given an opportunity to apply too. As above you can apply for nursing or medicine without any prior examination results, granted there's hpat/aptitude tests to pass which is only fair but at least you have a chance to apply without being disregarded on leaving cert results alone.

Bang Bang

McCoy wrote: »

Does anyone know how many remain on the previous panel (2010) ?

The last ten candidates from the 2010 panel are now in training with the surplus class numbers being filled by students from the Permanent Defence Forces.
The highest scoring and panel placed candidates from this new recruitment will be the next class in, a starting date has yet to be published.