Would you consider voting a Majority Fianna fail for the next government?

King of Kings

i'll be voting FF for sure.
I like the cut of micky martin's gib.

there are elements of FF I don't like - the gombeen men , it's looks like martin is weeding them out.

But each party has their bogey men in the background.

labour with it's bacik's who hate everything an unelected fool who still wields influence , FG with it's lowry and others (he is still there...don't believe the hype), Shinners have their "community activists" etc... etc...


one thing I am uncomfortable with the whole party system is that every single one of them has a top table who define policy and hold an awful lot of power. A lot of them are unknown to the masses and never run for public election and for sure will end up on a state board.

they all ****e - just mickey martin is more genuine than the rest.

Steve O

I'll be voting independent.

Plenty of idiots will vote these crooks back into the dail though. By the time the generations of fianna failers die out I will be an old man. Hopefully we will have a new political party.

humbert

They're far too much like the current government who are too much like the last government.

hatrickpatrick

BrianBoru00 wrote: »

Err...no actually its a statement of fact.
The whip system concerns national government. I made a very simple point which you ve somehow failed to grasp - there is no option for Fianna Fail or any other party on the ballot paper. Thats not merely an opinion, it s a fact.

So you're suggesting that one's party affiliation is absent from the ballot paper...? That's factually incorrect in and of itself.

Whether you like it or not, many people do vote for someone who "got them planning" or "sorted out a job for the daughter" and again, whether you like it or not, in many cases they (still) do have the power to do so.

And this is exactly what needs to change, because it's irrelevant. That needs to be the very first reform in my view. Take all local power away from the Dail and then get rid of the majority system.

yeppydeppy

People seem to be disenfranchised with party politics. I would love to see honest independents winning all over in the next election, but then how do they form a government?

Legs.Eleven

And I'll be honest, I will judge those vote for them in the coming elections negatively. I can't see how anyone who keeps reasonably up-to-date with current affairs and has a brain in their head could so in turn, I will judge...judge BIG time.

hatrickpatrick

Airitech wrote: »

You can't have a government of independents, so who is left?

Why not, exactly? It would mean that instead of following party leadership, they'd vote according to their constituents' public opinion. It would be the closest thing to democracy we've ever had, and there would be absolutely no possibility of cronyism because the small clique of financial elites who hold the cards at the moment wouldn't have enough votes between them to get these guys re-elected.

They would have to put the majority of their own constituents above the likes of David Drumm and Sean FitzPatrick.

The only remaining problem is the Parish Pump, which is easily solved by devolving powers from the Dail to local government, and leaving the Dail with no possibility of intervening in local matters.

hatrickpatrick

yeppydeppy wrote: »

People seem to be disenfranchised with party politics. I would love to see honest independents winning all over in the next election, but then how do they form a government?

Do they need to? Any TD can propose legislation, any TD can vote on it. That's actually how it works currently anyway, it's just that the whip system means we only ever see government legislation.

the great purveyor of mediocrity

NO

One would have to be an absolute moron to vote these guys back in again. Luckily for FF, the country is full of them.

Steve O

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

And I'll be honest, I will judge those vote for them in the coming elections negatively. I can't see how anyone who keeps reasonably up-to-date with current affairs and has a brain in their head could so in turn, I will judge...judge BIG time.

Louis Walsh is that you??

Airitech

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Why not, exactly? It would mean that instead of following party leadership, they'd vote according to their constituents' public opinion. It would be the closest thing to democracy we've ever had, and there would be absolutely no possibility of cronyism because the small clique of financial elites who hold the cards at the moment wouldn't have enough votes between them to get these guys re-elected.

They would have to put the majority of their own constituents above the likes of David Drumm and Sean FitzPatrick.

The only remaining problem is the Parish Pump, which is easily solved by devolving powers from the Dail to local government, and leaving the Dail with no possibility of intervening in local matters.

70 or 80 different agendas, it would be impossible to agree on anything and nothing would get done.

Thats not even considering the fact that a percentage will be Healy Rae type gombeen men who will just be out to gouge the state of anything they can.

Too many independents are from the FF/FG gene pool and are not as far removed from that as they would like to appear.

efc67

4 points between FG and FF in the latest opinion poll 31/3/13, once the property tax and the waters charges kick in, will be interesting to see what the percentages are then.


"It is morally wrong, unjust and unfair to tax a persons home" Enda Kenny 1994

galwayrush

Sadly we have way too many inbred morons in this country who would vote for FF .

Atlantic Dawn

Never ever ever.

I would vote for anyone else and I mean anyone else before them.

Truncheon Rouge

Im not in any of the traditional 'political camps' but I see it like this;

If a doctor gets done for gross malpractice, or if a lawyer gets done for fraud, or if a prison governor lets multiple prisoners escape
...then they get struck off from whatever relevant professional body they're in ...they go away and do something else and they're pretty much finished in that profession.

So if a political party which is supposed to save lives and make the country a better place to live in does the exact opposite then that should be the end of them.

They can reform under a new name and keep their ideology if they like, but as far as im concerned I'll never be voting for that name in the future, ever.

That ships captain from the liner that sunk in Italy won't be seen captaining a commercial vessel ever again.

The party which caused endless amounts of sht, heartache and suicides through inability to run the country should not be seen at the wheel again.

galwayrush

efc67 wrote: »

4 points between FG and FF in the latest opinion poll 31/3/13, once the property tax and the waters charges kick in, will be interesting to see what the percentages are then.


"It is morally wrong, unjust and unfair to tax a persons home" Enda Kenny 1994

Do you honestly expect house and water charges to be abolished by a FF government? :rolleyes:

Hootanany

sxt wrote: »

I know that there is a school of thought that "sure aren't they all the same". Any other political party would have done the same etc. .Maybe if Fine Gael were in charge for 70 of the last 80 years, they would have done the same or worse. Who knows? ...But they weren't. Fianna Fail were.

I think if a party that rules for 90% of the time in the last 80 years ,like Fianna fail has, an aura of utter complacency, nonchalance and levels of corruption has to fester. That is the human psyche

Fianna Fail tasted the revolt and disgust of the people .Did they fight on and show solidarity with the people? Did they try to save face and their public and national respect?. No.The majority of the old school Senior Politicians began "retiring" in their slithery droves.Some under questionable circumstances. Gulping up the previous era Celtic Tiger Golden pensions as a brazen parting insult to the people and their own party.


There is a case to say that Fianna fail are renewed, the old politics are gone, and that there is a new younger breed coming through. A party that has learned from the mistakes of the past.That may be true but... A new leader would be apt ? Why haven't they CRIED out for a new LEADER? Your leader was in cahoots or at least in liaison with dodgy politicians!

Fianna Fail are the most popular party in Ireland according to recent polls

Would you vote for a majority Fianna fail to be in Government in the next election ?

My good God please go away

BrianBoru00

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

So you're suggesting that one's party affiliation is absent from the ballot paper...? That's factually incorrect in and of itself.



And this is exactly what needs to change, because it's irrelevant. That needs to be the very first reform in my view. Take all local power away from the Dail and then get rid of the majority system.

I can't decide whether your a WUM or you ve just been given some sweets.....

why don t you pick a point that you disagree with and argue against it besides jumping over every post and misquoting or misrepresenting whats said by other people.

efc67

galwayrush wrote: »

Do you honestly expect house and water charges to be abolished by a FF government? :rolleyes:

Nope, and it's not going to do FG any favours either.

Cienciano

One of my mates just voted FF. Yes he's an idiot. I think he's one of those lifetime FF voters that wants any excuse to vote for them.

Sergeant

A parliament comprised totally of independents is a complete non-runner. How would it work? If I got in as an independent then I'd immediately find people with the same ideological viewpoints as I hold. We might even form a casual grouping that would get stronger as time goes on. I wouldn't deal with some long-haired lad in a wool jumper from Roscommon, or some champagne socialist from South Dublin.


FF were the majority party on the night we decided Anglo was a bank of systemic importance. Their buying of multiple elections with such things as swelling the number of people working in the public service, section 23 tax breaks, and giving punters 25% returns on savings under a government led interest scheme. The country was an economic basket case by 2003.

The current administration came to power having to agree to the bailout that the previous government negotiated. We got lots of money to keep paying for all those nice services we had become accustomed to. This pot of money has to be repaid, and the generous folk who lent it to us attached lots of harsh terms and conditions. The current shower are having to make decisions based on the ruinous and blatant overspending of the last shower, and in those circumstances, I think they are doing a fairly good job. A thankless job, but far from the worst that could be imagined.

I'll be voting FG and Labour in the next election.

armchair fusilier

efc67 wrote: »

4 points between FG and FF in the latest opinion poll 31/3/13, once the property tax and the waters charges kick in, will be interesting to see what the percentages are then.


"It is morally wrong, unjust and unfair to tax a persons home" Enda Kenny 1994

FF is the party that agree with the troika to impose that property tax in the first. Now their banging on about how unfair it is, as if it had nothing to do with them.

Around 30 percent of those asked in all the recent polls are undecided, FF's so called "recovery" is overstated. They are too loathed by too many people for them to recover anytime soon.

pragmatic1

For anyone who voted yes in this thread, please never vote in real life.

pragmatic1

armchair fusilier wrote: »

FF is the party that agree with the troika to impose that property tax in the first. Now their banging on about how unfair it is, as if it had nothing to do with them.

Around 30 percent of those asked in all the recent polls are undecided, FF's so called "recovery" is overstated. They are too loathed by too many people for them to recover anytime soon.

I'd love to believe this but there's so many dumb, shortsighted, and greedy people in this country, that it wouldn't surprise me if they got back into power in a few years. If they do, we really are doomed as a nation.

Hootanany

pragmatic1 wrote: »

For anyone who voted yes in this thread, please never vote in real life.

Never forget.

Stella89

pragmatic1 wrote: »

I'd love to believe this but there's so many dumb, shortsighted, and greedy people in this country, that it wouldn't surprise me if they got back into power in a few years. If they do, we really are doomed as a nation.

Unfortunately there is no interest in politics , so there is no basis for change .

A mundane thread about people driving slow or fast initiates alot more debate .

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056915234

Cee-Jay-Cee

Yes. Purely to punish the current shower of lying bastards.

Big Bottom

I cant see what the problem is with people voting Fianna Fail again, it's different people now and different times.

Phoebas

CJC999 wrote: »

Yes. Purely to punish the current shower of lying bastards.

We're all fuĉked.

maddragon

Yes but only if the alternative was being fisted by an elephant wearing Freddie Krugers glove on its trunk.