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Would you consider voting a Majority Fianna fail for the next government?

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    #182
    FF 4 Eva
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭FF 4 Eva


    I will definitely be voting Fianna Fail. The current government has done nothing to help the economy and they have ruined our chances at recovery. I believe we should stop been so stubborn over the last term and give Fianna Fail another chance to fix things. We'll be truly grateful to them for it if we do.


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    #183
    .jacksparrow.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    FF 4 Eva wrote: »
    I will definitely be voting Fianna Fail. The current government has done nothing to help the economy and they have ruined our chances at recovery. I believe we should stop been so stubborn over the last term and give Fianna Fail another chance to fix things. We'll be truly grateful to them for it if we do.

    Insanity-doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.


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    #184
    FF 4 Eva
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭FF 4 Eva


    .jacksparrow. wrote: »
    Insanity-doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

    Fianna Fail have proven they can get an economy booming, just as they did under Ahern. I have faith in them that they can do it again.


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    #185
    cd07
    Registered Users Posts: 466 ✭✭cd07


    FF 4 Eva wrote: »
    Fianna Fail have proven they can get an economy booming, just as they did under Ahern. I have faith in them that they can do it again.

    Fianna Fail have proven **** all except that they know how to line their own greedy pockets and completely screw an entire country. That shower of pricks is why the current shower of pricks are shafting us every chance they get. Dont get me wrong I hate kenny etc nearly as much, What we need to do is to tell the germans and all the bond holders to go **** themselves and get a new party of credible people to run this country properly.


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    #186
    FF 4 Eva
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭FF 4 Eva


    cd07 wrote: »
    Fianna Fail have proven **** all except that they know how to line their own greedy pockets and completely screw an entire country. That shower of pricks is why the current shower of pricks are shafting us every chance they get. Dont get me wrong I hate kenny etc nearly as much, What we need to do is to tell the germans and all the bond holders to go **** themselves and get a new party of credible people to run this country properly.

    This is simply not true, explain to me then why it has always been a FF government that presided over a boom, whereas when we've had FG and Labour in, there is also stagnation?


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    #187
    uch
    Registered Users Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭uch


    FF 4 Eva wrote: »
    This is simply not true, explain to me then why it has always been a FF government that presided over a boom, whereas when we've had FG and Labour in, there is also stagnation?

    Because FF blew the wealth and left it to others to pick up the pieces and sort out the mess

    21/25



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    #188
    FF 4 Eva
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭FF 4 Eva


    uch wrote: »
    Because FF blew the wealth and left it to others to pick up the pieces and sort out the mess

    Not true, this is just an old urban myth that FG and their apologists use. There is no evidence for such a claim.


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    #189
    cd07
    Registered Users Posts: 466 ✭✭cd07


    FF 4 Eva wrote: »
    This is simply not true, explain to me then why it has always been a FF government that presided over a boom, whereas when we've had FG and Labour in, there is also stagnation?

    The others did all the ground work for the boom before those gangsters got in and raped our country. Ahern should be in jail the horrible little bastard


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    #190
    FF 4 Eva
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭FF 4 Eva


    cd07 wrote: »
    The others did all the ground work for the boom before those gangsters got in and raped our country. Ahern should be in jail the horrible little bastard

    Ahern was no more corrupt that any other politician. The media was just in a frenzy to try and bring him down. Fine Gael have just as many, if not more corrupt politicians. Poor Ahern's legacy has been decimated by the witch hunt that went on back in 2009. If anything, we could do with him again.


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    #191
    entropi
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 21,730 Mod ✭✭✭✭entropi


    I don't like thieves or liars. There's barely anyone I could vote for in most elections tbh.

    Let's see what the next bunch will have up their sleeves to try convince us to vote for them.


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    #192
    TwoShedsJackson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    LostBoy101 wrote: »
    Since when are Sinn Fein considered left? they were always far right and always will be. Sinn Fein in coalition government is a receipe for disaster.

    Far left I think you'll find. Of course the circular nature of political extremism means that there's not a huge amount of difference between the far left and the far right.


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    #193
    LostBoy101
    Registered Users Posts: 2,369 ✭✭✭LostBoy101


    FF 4 Eva wrote: »
    Ahern was no more corrupt that any other politician. The media was just in a frenzy to try and bring him down. Fine Gael have just as many, if not more corrupt politicians. Poor Ahern's legacy has been decimated by the witch hunt that went on back in 2009. If anything, we could do with him again.
    Ahern was the most corrupt of them all. During the boom time he took a huge salary and pension and he was paid more than the President of the United States and the UK! which in comparison to a small island of 4 million people... so you don't call that corrupt?

    I agree that Finn Gael have the fair share of corrupt politicans as well. If you let a government in power for over 15 years they easily get corrupt and greedy just like Fianna Fail and their mates.


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    #194
    inmyday
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 731 ✭✭✭inmyday


    cd07 wrote: »
    Fianna Fail have proven **** all except that they know how to line their own greedy pockets and completely screw an entire country. That shower of pricks is why the current shower of pricks are shafting us every chance they get. Dont get me wrong I hate kenny etc nearly as much, What we need to do is to tell the germans and all the bond holders to go **** themselves and get a new party of credible people to run this country properly.


    O my golly gosh, youre right. Its all the germans fault. Im so sick of the germans.

    Maybe you should start this new party of credible people.


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    #195
    Xenophile
    Registered Users Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Xenophile


    inmyday wrote: »
    Its all the germans fault.

    The answer remains NEIN

    The Forum on Spirituality has been closed for years. Please bring it back, there are lots of Spiritual people in Ireland and elsewhere.



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    #196
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    tayto lover wrote: »
    We are constantly being told on various threads how good FG are.
    Sergeant for one regularly tells us how brainy they are i.e. Alan Shatter.
    Yet when in opposition they were like Trappist monks. Not a peep.
    Did they only become brainy when they took power or is it all bluff?
    Am I right to think that the politicians of all parties are indeed poor and that people are trying their best, like Sergeant, to paper over the cracks by championing his own party? The truth, as I see it, is that they were just as ignorant of how the country should have been governed as FF were and therefore just as guilty as they were silent while in opposition.

    Are we now taking action on our our debts purely because the Troika are demanding it as I suspect?



    I think some people just realise they have to act stupid to get the electorate to vote for them. Now it can be argued if it's really an act or not. In 2002 when Fine Gael said they would spend the money smartly a bit more fiscally conservative than the others because they didn't want the economy to over-heat they got hammered in the polls. The good old Irish public didn't like that idea at all, they wanted more spending, more tax cuts/breaks.


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    #197
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,652 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    I think some people just realise they have to act stupid to get the electorate to vote for them. Now it can be argued if it's really an act or not. In 2002 when Fine Gael said they would spend the money smartly a bit more fiscally conservative than the others because they didn't want the economy to over-heat they got hammered in the polls. The good old Irish public didn't like that idea at all, they wanted more spending, more tax cuts/breaks.

    Well now if Fine Gael did say that and got hammered then they truly kept their mouths shut afterwards. They even lambasted Fianna Fail for not being generous enough in the following budgets.
    Anyway my point is that no party is blameless.
    When you see the likes of the Healy-Rae clan and Michael Lowry being elected time after time the voters deserve what they get but for posters to say that the present Cabinet is brilliant and full of brains is laughable. One party is as bad as the next.


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    #198
    cd07
    Registered Users Posts: 466 ✭✭cd07


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Well now if Fine Gael did say that and got hammered then they truly kept their mouths shut afterwards. They even lambasted Fianna Fail for not being generous enough in the following budgets.
    Anyway my point is that no party is blameless.
    When you see the likes of the Healy-Rae clan and Michael Lowry being elected time after time the voters deserve what they get but for posters to say that the present Cabinet is brilliant and full of brains is laughable. One party is as bad as the next.

    I agree they are all the same. All using their public status to benefit themselves


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    #199
    Bactidiaryl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 360 ✭✭Bactidiaryl


    Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


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    #200
    darkhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭darkhorse


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    We need a world in which a politician's election manifesto is like a contract. Screw it up and you lose your seat.

    Is that something like what that new party, DDI are talking about?


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    #201
    ToddyDoody
    Registered Users Posts: 4,421 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    FF 4 Eva wrote: »
    Fianna Fail have proven they can get an economy booming, just as they did under Ahern. I have faith in them that they can do it again.

    Goodnight Vienna :)


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    #202
    solas111
    Registered Users Posts: 399 ✭✭solas111


    Xenophile wrote: »
    The answer remains NEIN

    Was Bo Derek in that?


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    #203
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    darkhorse wrote: »
    Is that something like what that new party, DDI are talking about?



    Jesus, they aren't stupid enough to suggest that proposal are they?


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    #204
    darkhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭darkhorse


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    Jesus, they aren't stupid enough to elect that proposal are they?

    Do you work in RTE?


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    #205
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Just checked their website. They seem comically bad. I thought they were running on a system of referendums where the people decide, so I was surprised to see this on their front page.
    STOP Bondholder Payments: There is no legal liability for Irish people and their children to pay for private banking debts.
    REDUCE Family Home Mortgages: A substantial write down of personal debt to keep people in their homes and stimulate our domestic economy.
    ABOLISH All Taxes on Family Homes: “It is morally wrong, unjust and unfair to tax a persons home” – Enda Kenny, 1994.
    PROTECT Services & Allowances: Review all cuts made to essential services and people’s vital allowances.
    CUT Business Rates: Reduce costs for business to help make them more affordable and competitive thus protecting Irish jobs.
    PREVENT State Asset Stripping: Keep water, oil, gas, forestry, fisheries and mineral assets working for the people.

    Seems like they've already decided what the people of Ireland have voted for. :confused: The icing on the cake was seeing that Ireland and Norway oil video, ugh.


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    #206
    darkhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭darkhorse


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    Just checked their website. They seem comically bad. I thought they were running on a system of referendums where the people decide, so I was surprised to see this on their front page.



    Seems like they've already decided what the people of Ireland have voted for. :confused: The icing on the cake was seeing that Ireland and Norway oil video, ugh.

    So, which one of those six statements that you quoted from their website, do you not agree with.


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    #207
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    darkhorse wrote: »
    So, which one of those six statements that you quoted from their website, do you not agree with.


    It's not relevant whether I agree with them or not, I thought they were a party who just wanted direct representation. It seems that's not the only thing they want.


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    #208
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Can anyone see FF and FG going into government together in the near future? Can you imagine the power of such a political machine, we wouldn't need any of the other parties anymore.:pac: muh haw haw


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    #209
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    Just checked their website. They seem comically bad. I thought they were running on a system of referendums where the people decide, so I was surprised to see this on their front page.



    Seems like they've already decided what the people of Ireland have voted for. :confused: The icing on the cake was seeing that Ireland and Norway oil video, ugh.
    DDIs populism puts FF in the ha'penny place.


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    #210
    CdeC
    Registered Users Posts: 510 ✭✭✭CdeC


    We should all vote independents.

    But not the crazy bible bashing kind. The honest regular kind that don't have a personal business agenda to attend to.


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    #211
    Srianadh
    Registered Users Posts: 48 ✭Srianadh


    CdeC wrote: »
    We should all vote independents.

    But not the crazy bible bashing kind. The honest regular kind that don't have a personal business agenda to attend to.

    Seriously, look at all the independents currently in the Dáil. You'll find that the ones worth a damn (Ross, Donnelly) are very much in the minority. The majority tend to be the Mings, Wallaces, Healy-Reas, etc. This whole thing of people calling for independents really glosses over the fact that independents are just as bad TD's, on average, as political party TD's.

    Also, can you imagine how a Dáil full of independents would work........because I can't! We'd be having elections every other month when the whole thing kept crashing down. Under or current constitution, political parties are a necessary evil.


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