Would you consider voting a Majority Fianna fail for the next government?

sxt

I know that there is a school of thought that "sure aren't they all the same". Any other political party would have done the same etc. .Maybe if Fine Gael were in charge for 70 of the last 80 years, they would have done the same or worse. Who knows? ...But they weren't. Fianna Fail were.

I think if a party that rules for 90% of the time in the last 80 years ,like Fianna fail has, an aura of utter complacency, nonchalance and levels of corruption has to fester. That is the human psyche

Fianna Fail tasted the revolt and disgust of the people .Did they fight on and show solidarity with the people? Did they try to save face and their public and national respect?. No.The majority of the old school Senior Politicians began "retiring" in their slithery droves.Some under questionable circumstances. Gulping up the previous era Celtic Tiger Golden pensions as a brazen parting insult to the people and their own party.


There is a case to say that Fianna fail are renewed, the old politics are gone, and that there is a new younger breed coming through. A party that has learned from the mistakes of the past.That may be true but... A new leader would be apt ? Why haven't they CRIED out for a new LEADER? Your leader was in cahoots or at least in liaison with dodgy politicians!

Fianna Fail are the most popular party in Ireland according to recent polls

Would you vote for a majority Fianna fail to be in Government in the next election ?

keith16

No.

P_1

No, simply because I don't trust them not to get back to their old tricks

galwayrush

N O

Sergeant

No.

But I wouldn't vote for any of the utterly shambolic alternatives to the current Government either. So I'm not just excluding them. We've a really wretched and unthinking shower of miscreants in opposition at the moment.

donvito99

Fúck no.

Montroseee

I would definitely consider it, much rather them than labour.

Myrddin

No. But thankfully we've plenty of other lying overpaid parasites to vote for

Pherekydes

Same as previously: Not under any circumstances.

Chop Chop

Montroseee wrote: »

I would definitely consider it, much rather them than labour.

Oh God!!!!

Herb Powell

I'd sooner consider boiling my balls, tbh.

And I think anyone who would vote FF would want to take a good look at themselves and ask why.

hfallada

A lot of FF are lawyers meaning a lot of them are sly ****ers who I think could do a better job at negotiating a bank debt deal them the shower of teachers we have at the moment.

FF were honest the economy was ****ed and cut backs were necessary not labour and FG who were promising the Celtic tiger again within 6 month of power

hatrickpatrick

Honestly I'd vote for Sinn Fein before I'd vote for FF, and I despise Sinn Fein.

Fianna Fail must never, ever, ever, ever, ever be allowed into any position of authority ever again, for as long as that miserable organization continues to blight our country with its existence.

Sergeant

hfallada wrote: »

A lot of FF are lawyers meaning a lot of them are sly ****ers who I think could do a better job at negotiating a bank debt deal them the shower of teachers we have at the moment.

Ah, these are the same FF party that agreed to the ruinous bank guarantee and bailout of Anglo in the first place? As opposed to the current administration who got a pretty decent deal considering the circumstances?

Fighting Irish

I don't really care tbh

BrianBoru00

Have any of you ever voted?

You don't get a list with FF/FG/L/GP/SF ....etc...


You get a list of local people who may or may not be affiliated with a particular party. All politics is local. I never voted FF in or FG in I did however vote for people affiliated with those parties as well as independents and other parties.

hatrickpatrick

hfallada wrote: »

FF were honest the economy was ****ed

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Brian Lenihan - "Ceann Comhairle, we have turned the corner. The worst is over" -- circa 3 weeks before the IMF arrived in Dublin, which the government repeatedly denied was taking place right up until one brave, decent man in the Central Bank decided that lying to the Irish public was a load of bollocks.

The word "honest" is literally the last word in the entire Oxford dictionary that I would ascribe to FF, and I'm absolutely flabbergasted to see anyone else do so.

Deise_67

never ever again ! pity the options are equally as crap !

Suryavarman

Where's the option for "I'd rather give Clare Daly a piggy back for the entirety of her campaign for the next General Election and vote a straight ticket for the ULA & Sinn Fein using my own blood than vote for Fianna Fail"?

galwayrush

hfallada wrote: »

A lot of FF are lawyers meaning a lot of them are sly ****ers who I think could do a better job at negotiating a bank debt deal them the shower of teachers we have at the moment.

FF were honest the economy was ****ed and cut backs were necessary not labour and FG who were promising the Celtic tiger again within 6 month of power

Your daddy and mammy told you that, didn't they?

Seriously, you think FF were honest?....:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

hatrickpatrick

BrianBoru00 wrote: »

Have any of you ever voted?

You don't get a list with FF/FG/L/GP/SF ....etc...


You get a list of local people who may or may not be affiliated with a particular party. All politics is local. I never voted FF in or FG in I did however vote for people affiliated with those parties as well as independents and other parties.

I'm afraid that's bullsh!t, because our party whip system denotes that who you vote for locally is completely irrelevant beyond their party affiliation. If they're in a party they have to vote with the party leadership or get thrown out, if you vote independent and they're not part of a technical group they get no speaking rights and very little ability to do anything but vote on proposals whose outcome has already been decided by the aforementioned whip system of the ruling parties.

Our parliament is profoundly anti democratic and is the very first thing we need to overhaul before we can call ourselves a "Republic".

Yamanoto

hfallada wrote: »

A lot of FF are lawyers meaning a lot of them are sly ****ers who I think could do a better job at negotiating a bank debt deal them the shower of teachers we have at the moment.

FF were honest the economy was ****ed and cut backs were necessary not labour and FG who were promising the Celtic tiger again within 6 month of power

Hope this is a wind-up, for your sakes.

Tim the Enchanter

Fighting Irish wrote: »

I don't really care tbh

Well if you don't care, im presuming you don't vote. No opinion then. Right?

tayto lover

Would never vote FF again. Crooks.

Not too happy with what we have now either. Liars.

P_1

The sad thing is that I can see the usual suspects voting the thieves back in though

hatrickpatrick

tayto lover wrote: »

Would never vote FF again. Crooks.

Not too happy with what we have now either. Liars.

What we need is a Dail of independent TDs which has absolutely no power on local issues whatsoever. Devolve ALL local decisions to county councils, thereby avoiding the parish pump problem, and once that's taken care of, you have a parliament whose first loyalty is to the people who have the absolute power over their re-election, their constituents, and not to any form of whip or party leadership.

Legs.Eleven

Absolutely categorically, unequivocally No fcuking way in HELL!! I've never voted for them and never, ever will. :mad:

Celly Smunt

There isn't a party in the dail which i consider myself a supporter of at the moment.As much as i hate Fine Gael,they are the only party which i would consider voting for in a coming election as i think they'd do a less crap job than any of the other party's in a second term.

Airitech

I wouldn't but the problem as I see it is that we are running out of options.

Before the last election the mood was that FF or the Greens would never be allowed back into power.

Now I'm hearing the same thing about FG and Labour. The remaining options are hardly worth considering. SF have too many skeletons in the closet and both they and the ULA make no sense economically. You can't have a government of independents, so who is left?

FF could just sneak back because there is no other option. Voters could take the attitude of better the devil you know.

BrianBoru00

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I'm afraid that's bullsh!t, because our party whip system denotes that who you vote for locally is completely irrelevant beyond their party affiliation. If they're in a party they have to vote with the party leadership or get thrown out, if you vote independent and they're not part of a technical group they get no speaking rights and very little ability to do anything but vote on proposals whose outcome has already been decided by the aforementioned whip system of the ruling parties.

Our parliament is profoundly anti democratic and is the very first thing we need to overhaul before we can call ourselves a "Republic".

Err...no actually its a statement of fact.
The whip system concerns national government. I made a very simple point which you ve somehow failed to grasp - there is no option for Fianna Fail or any other party on the ballot paper. Thats not merely an opinion, it s a fact.

Whether you like it or not, many people do vote for someone who "got them planning" or "sorted out a job for the daughter" and again, whether you like it or not, in many cases they (still) do have the power to do so.

laoch na mona

BrianBoru00 wrote: »

Have any of you ever voted?

You don't get a list with FF/FG/L/GP/SF ....etc...


You get a list of local people who may or may not be affiliated with a particular party. All politics is local. I never voted FF in or FG in I did however vote for people affiliated with those parties as well as independents and other parties.

voting fail

King of Kings

i'll be voting FF for sure.
I like the cut of micky martin's gib.

there are elements of FF I don't like - the gombeen men , it's looks like martin is weeding them out.

But each party has their bogey men in the background.

labour with it's bacik's who hate everything an unelected fool who still wields influence , FG with it's lowry and others (he is still there...don't believe the hype), Shinners have their "community activists" etc... etc...


one thing I am uncomfortable with the whole party system is that every single one of them has a top table who define policy and hold an awful lot of power. A lot of them are unknown to the masses and never run for public election and for sure will end up on a state board.

they all ****e - just mickey martin is more genuine than the rest.

Steve O

I'll be voting independent.

Plenty of idiots will vote these crooks back into the dail though. By the time the generations of fianna failers die out I will be an old man. Hopefully we will have a new political party.

humbert

They're far too much like the current government who are too much like the last government.

hatrickpatrick

BrianBoru00 wrote: »

Err...no actually its a statement of fact.
The whip system concerns national government. I made a very simple point which you ve somehow failed to grasp - there is no option for Fianna Fail or any other party on the ballot paper. Thats not merely an opinion, it s a fact.

So you're suggesting that one's party affiliation is absent from the ballot paper...? That's factually incorrect in and of itself.

Whether you like it or not, many people do vote for someone who "got them planning" or "sorted out a job for the daughter" and again, whether you like it or not, in many cases they (still) do have the power to do so.

And this is exactly what needs to change, because it's irrelevant. That needs to be the very first reform in my view. Take all local power away from the Dail and then get rid of the majority system.

yeppydeppy

People seem to be disenfranchised with party politics. I would love to see honest independents winning all over in the next election, but then how do they form a government?

Legs.Eleven

And I'll be honest, I will judge those vote for them in the coming elections negatively. I can't see how anyone who keeps reasonably up-to-date with current affairs and has a brain in their head could so in turn, I will judge...judge BIG time.

hatrickpatrick

Airitech wrote: »

You can't have a government of independents, so who is left?

Why not, exactly? It would mean that instead of following party leadership, they'd vote according to their constituents' public opinion. It would be the closest thing to democracy we've ever had, and there would be absolutely no possibility of cronyism because the small clique of financial elites who hold the cards at the moment wouldn't have enough votes between them to get these guys re-elected.

They would have to put the majority of their own constituents above the likes of David Drumm and Sean FitzPatrick.

The only remaining problem is the Parish Pump, which is easily solved by devolving powers from the Dail to local government, and leaving the Dail with no possibility of intervening in local matters.

hatrickpatrick

yeppydeppy wrote: »

People seem to be disenfranchised with party politics. I would love to see honest independents winning all over in the next election, but then how do they form a government?

Do they need to? Any TD can propose legislation, any TD can vote on it. That's actually how it works currently anyway, it's just that the whip system means we only ever see government legislation.

the great purveyor of mediocrity

NO

One would have to be an absolute moron to vote these guys back in again. Luckily for FF, the country is full of them.

Steve O

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

And I'll be honest, I will judge those vote for them in the coming elections negatively. I can't see how anyone who keeps reasonably up-to-date with current affairs and has a brain in their head could so in turn, I will judge...judge BIG time.

Louis Walsh is that you??

Airitech

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Why not, exactly? It would mean that instead of following party leadership, they'd vote according to their constituents' public opinion. It would be the closest thing to democracy we've ever had, and there would be absolutely no possibility of cronyism because the small clique of financial elites who hold the cards at the moment wouldn't have enough votes between them to get these guys re-elected.

They would have to put the majority of their own constituents above the likes of David Drumm and Sean FitzPatrick.

The only remaining problem is the Parish Pump, which is easily solved by devolving powers from the Dail to local government, and leaving the Dail with no possibility of intervening in local matters.

70 or 80 different agendas, it would be impossible to agree on anything and nothing would get done.

Thats not even considering the fact that a percentage will be Healy Rae type gombeen men who will just be out to gouge the state of anything they can.

Too many independents are from the FF/FG gene pool and are not as far removed from that as they would like to appear.

efc67

4 points between FG and FF in the latest opinion poll 31/3/13, once the property tax and the waters charges kick in, will be interesting to see what the percentages are then.


"It is morally wrong, unjust and unfair to tax a persons home" Enda Kenny 1994

galwayrush

Sadly we have way too many inbred morons in this country who would vote for FF .

Atlantic Dawn

Never ever ever.

I would vote for anyone else and I mean anyone else before them.

Truncheon Rouge

Im not in any of the traditional 'political camps' but I see it like this;

If a doctor gets done for gross malpractice, or if a lawyer gets done for fraud, or if a prison governor lets multiple prisoners escape
...then they get struck off from whatever relevant professional body they're in ...they go away and do something else and they're pretty much finished in that profession.

So if a political party which is supposed to save lives and make the country a better place to live in does the exact opposite then that should be the end of them.

They can reform under a new name and keep their ideology if they like, but as far as im concerned I'll never be voting for that name in the future, ever.

That ships captain from the liner that sunk in Italy won't be seen captaining a commercial vessel ever again.

The party which caused endless amounts of sht, heartache and suicides through inability to run the country should not be seen at the wheel again.

galwayrush

efc67 wrote: »

4 points between FG and FF in the latest opinion poll 31/3/13, once the property tax and the waters charges kick in, will be interesting to see what the percentages are then.


"It is morally wrong, unjust and unfair to tax a persons home" Enda Kenny 1994

Do you honestly expect house and water charges to be abolished by a FF government? :rolleyes:

Hootanany

sxt wrote: »

I know that there is a school of thought that "sure aren't they all the same". Any other political party would have done the same etc. .Maybe if Fine Gael were in charge for 70 of the last 80 years, they would have done the same or worse. Who knows? ...But they weren't. Fianna Fail were.

I think if a party that rules for 90% of the time in the last 80 years ,like Fianna fail has, an aura of utter complacency, nonchalance and levels of corruption has to fester. That is the human psyche

Fianna Fail tasted the revolt and disgust of the people .Did they fight on and show solidarity with the people? Did they try to save face and their public and national respect?. No.The majority of the old school Senior Politicians began "retiring" in their slithery droves.Some under questionable circumstances. Gulping up the previous era Celtic Tiger Golden pensions as a brazen parting insult to the people and their own party.


There is a case to say that Fianna fail are renewed, the old politics are gone, and that there is a new younger breed coming through. A party that has learned from the mistakes of the past.That may be true but... A new leader would be apt ? Why haven't they CRIED out for a new LEADER? Your leader was in cahoots or at least in liaison with dodgy politicians!

Fianna Fail are the most popular party in Ireland according to recent polls

Would you vote for a majority Fianna fail to be in Government in the next election ?

My good God please go away

BrianBoru00

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

So you're suggesting that one's party affiliation is absent from the ballot paper...? That's factually incorrect in and of itself.



And this is exactly what needs to change, because it's irrelevant. That needs to be the very first reform in my view. Take all local power away from the Dail and then get rid of the majority system.

I can't decide whether your a WUM or you ve just been given some sweets.....

why don t you pick a point that you disagree with and argue against it besides jumping over every post and misquoting or misrepresenting whats said by other people.

efc67

galwayrush wrote: »

Do you honestly expect house and water charges to be abolished by a FF government? :rolleyes:

Nope, and it's not going to do FG any favours either.

Cienciano

One of my mates just voted FF. Yes he's an idiot. I think he's one of those lifetime FF voters that wants any excuse to vote for them.