Would you consider voting a Majority Fianna fail for the next government?

Phoebas

Hijpo wrote: »

Dont vote for gilroy then, aslong as people dont write off DDI because of the people in it. If you dont agree with ben girloy atleast DDI gives you your say, if you dont agree with kenny/hogan your screwed and there is nothing you can do about it or make them listen.

Will they give us a say on defaulting on bailout repayments?
Their policy is to default even before the results of a legal review are known.

MilanPan!c

Phoebas wrote: »

Will they give us a say on defaulting on bailout repayments?
Their policy is to default even before the results of a legal review are known.

Why not; all debt is just an "illusion" anyway.

:S

Hijpo

MilanPan!c wrote: »

Yes yes vote for the lying nutter. Great plan.

Vote for changing the democratic system, or vote for the lying, corrupt, greedy, dodgy dealing, secure from everything gangsters that will change nothing unless it means extorting money or making it easier for banks (wo have already been bailed out) to turf families out of there primary residence.

The choice is yours, i know what i want.

Hijpo

Phoebas wrote: »

Will they give us a say on defaulting on bailout repayments?
Their policy is to default even before the results of a legal review are known.

If you get enough signatures to call for a referendum on it and then vote it in they will ave to pay the bailouts. If the lads in power at the moment decide to implement taxes on savings like cyprus you cant do a thing about it, legally or democratically. Lets be honest, they said its a good thing when cyprus announced it, whats stopping them from implementing that "good idea" here? There morals? Hahah there empathy? Lol

MilanPan!c

Hijpo wrote: »

Vote for changing the democratic system, or vote for the lying, corrupt, greedy, dodgy dealing, secure from everything gangsters that will change nothing unless it means extorting money or making it easier for banks (wo have already been bailed out) to turf families out of there primary residence.

The choice is yours, i know what i want.

False choice.

A lying nutter is not going to solve the problems you've mentioned.

Thinking it will is more a commentary on you than the DDI craziness.

Anynama141

darkhorse wrote: »

Could you show us evidence that Gilroy is involved in the Freeman cult, and if the only adverst evidence ya can come up with is that he tries to help families from being evicted from their homes, forget about it.

The evidence is the Freeman 'legal' horsecrap he uses when trying to prevent those repossessions.

Either he believes it and he's a Freeman (or believes their nonsense), or he's publicly misrepresenting himself.

Which is it?

Anynama141

Phoebas wrote: »

He also said on the PrimeTime program following the Meath East by-election that he hadn't even heard of them until recently.
Obviously nobody in their right mind would believe that.

He seems to have an extremely flexible relationship with the truth. Just what we need in our new political saviours.

MilanPan!c

Anynama141 wrote: »

The evidence is the Freeman 'legal' horsecrap he uses when trying to prevent those repossessions.

Either he believes it and he's a Freeman (or believes their nonsense), or he's publicly misrepresenting himself.

Which is it?

And he posted that Freeman/Sovereign Citizens crap on his door.

And he posted links to Freeman stuff.

And he makes freeman claims like only certain colours of ink are legally binding.

Etc etc etc ad infinitum.

Anynama141

Hijpo wrote: »

Dont vote for gilroy then, aslong as people dont write off DDI because of the people in it.

Presumably you shouldn't write off Fianna Failure either, just because of the people in it?

K.Flyer

sxt wrote: »

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Fianna Fail are the most popular party in Ireland according to recent polls

Would you vote for a majority Fianna fail to be in Government in the next election ?

This should be posted in "You Laugh You Lose"

Hijpo

Anynama141 wrote: »

Presumably you shouldn't write off Fianna Failure either, just because of the people in it?

FF dont want to change the security of there jobs by telling people when they can have a referendum, no to mention the fact that when they do you have to vote until you get the answer right.

Look at the bigger picture, there is more positives to gain for the electorate with DDI than there is with the lies and corruption of the rest.

Anynama141

Hijpo wrote: »

FF dont want to change the security of there jobs by telling people when they can have a referendum, no to mention the fact that when they do you have to vote until you get the answer right.

Look at the bigger picture, there is more positives to gain for the electorate with DDI than there is with the lies and corruption of the rest.

Or, to look at it another way;

1. Fianna Failure are very corrupt
2. Other parties are less corrupt, but some corruption exists
3. DDI will involve an unknown level of corruption.

Oh, and DDI is run by a madman/liar (take your pick).

MilanPan!c

Hijpo wrote: »

FF dont want to change the security of there jobs by telling people when they can have a referendum, no to mention the fact that when they do you have to vote until you get the answer right.

Look at the bigger picture, there is more positives to gain for the electorate with DDI than there is with the lies and corruption of the rest.

There's nothing positive to be gained by voting for the Gilroy/Whitehead/Freeman cabal.

Hijpo

Anynama141 wrote: »

Or, to look at it another way;

1. Fianna Failure are very corrupt
2. Other parties are less corrupt, but some corruption exists
3. DDI will involve an unknown level of corruption.

Oh, and DDI is run by a madman/liar (take your pick).

Lol any links to DDI extorting money from the poor? Getting dodgy loans? Anything at all other than jumping to a blog full of myths created from the imaginative investigation of a desperate socialist/wannabe student journo.

Hijpo

MilanPan!c wrote: »

There's nothing positive to be gained by voting for the Gilroy/Whitehead/Freeman cabal.

Yes yes yes, we have read such ramblings already. Lets vote for the partys that want to keep the citizens locked out of politics and force them to give them more money for less service. Clever one.

Anynama141

Hijpo wrote: »

Lol any links to DDI extorting money from the poor? Getting dodgy loans? Anything at all other than jumping to a blog full of myths created from the imaginative investigation of a desperate socialist/wannabe student journo.

Any links to any other party 'extorting money from the poor'?

I'm not basing anything on any blog posts, by the way - I'm basing my view on what I've learned from watching Ben Gilroy's career progression over the last couple of years. Apparently I've been a fan of his a lot longer than you have. I remember him when he was arguing that 'statutes aren't laws'.

He's a nut or a liar. If you can't see that...

MilanPan!c

Anynama141 wrote: »

Any links to any other party 'extorting money from the poor'?

I'm not basing anything on any blog posts, by the way - I'm basing my view on what I've learned from watching Ben Gilroy's career progression over the last couple of years. Apparently I've been a fan of his a lot longer than you have. I remember him when he was arguing that 'statutes aren't laws'.

He's a nut or a liar. If you can't see that...

Sure, the book he gives away with each donation is written by a guy named Marcus McKeown.

McKeown charges "scarsed" (his words) OAPs to come to his seminars and learn the secret sovereign citizen tricks to stop paying all debt owed to banks, because "all debt is an illusion".

That's text book scam. Targeting scared and desperate people.

And Gilroy is pushing his book and his views. And he and McKeown (and the freeman groups) all share the same logo.

AND

McKeown literally promises them "freedom from all debt" with his schemes.

Click freedomfromalldebt.com and see where it takes you

Anynama141

What I also find interesting in reading comments in blogs from the likes of DDI and 'People for Economic Justice' is the poor standard of spelling and grammar (and it probably goes without saying, poor understanding and reasoning). Without wanting to come across as needlessly insensitive, I think it's indicative that those who fall for this sort of patent nonsense are usually the undereducated and the less intelligent. Gilroy and his cronies spout all the easy answers that these folks want to hear and they rally behind them.

Of course, you don't need to fool too many of these vulnerable people to be able to make a good living out of it.

tayto lover

Anynama141 wrote: »

What I also find interesting in reading comments in blogs from the likes of DDI and 'People for Economic Justice' is the poor standard of spelling and grammar (and it probably goes without saying, poor understanding and reasoning). Without wanting to come across as needlessly insensitive, I think it's indicative that those who fall for this sort of patent nonsense are usually the undereducated and the less intelligent. Gilroy and his cronies spout all the easy answers that these folks want to hear and they rally behind them.

Of course, you don't need to fool too many of these vulnerable people to be able to make a good living out of it.

Yes but Fine Gael fooled us too with their lies and their spelling was good.

Anynama141

tayto lover wrote: »

Yes but Fine Gael fooled us too with their lies and their spelling was good.

Yes, Labour and FG are liars...

And Fianna Failure are liars, and Sinn Fein are liars and ULA are liars.

And you think DDI aren't?

tayto lover

Anynama141 wrote: »

Yes, Labour and FG are liars...

And Fianna Failure are liars, and Sinn Fein are liars and ULA are liars.

And you think DDI aren't?

No. They are all liars. They're politicians after all. "Isn't that what you tend to do at election time".

Anynama141

tayto lover wrote: »

No. They are all liars. They're politicians after all. "Isn't that what you tend to do at election time".

Exactly. And Ben Gilroy also appears to be a nutter. Whatever else you say about Gerry Adams or Inda Kinny, at least they aren't nutters.

MilanPan!c

tayto lover wrote: »

No. They are all liars. They're politicians after all. "Isn't that what you tend to do at election time".

If they're all liars, if, I'll choose liar that isn't also part of an insane cult.

lightspeed

If somebody you placed your trust in molested your child, would you trust them to look after your child again?

Asking people to trust Fianna Fail to look after the country is the same thing.

There might still be a nazi party but even with fresh new members, i would'nt vote them in to power.

MilanPan!c

Here's the Freemen promoting Ben again:

http://freemanireland.ning.com/video/ben-gilroy-direct-democracy-ireland-speaking-at-the-feet-on-the

Hijpo

MilanPan!c wrote: »

Here's the Freemen promoting Ben again:

http://freemanireland.ning.com/video/ben-gilroy-direct-democracy-ireland-speaking-at-the-feet-on-the

Once again its freemen talking about DDI and not DDI promoting this freeman group. Your conveniently looking at it arse about face.

darkhorse

Anynama141 wrote: »

Also his nonsense about 'are you on your oath', all that bull****.

Care to explain to us here how is this bull****?

Jamie2k9

I didn't vote in the last election but I will be in the next one with these brain deal FF nutter supporters out in force....

And before any FF supporter says they have changed remenber you can't teach old dogs new tricks.

darkhorse

Hijpo wrote: »

I will be voting for DDI, i like they system they promote. Capitalism, right wing, ukip, freeman nonsence lol there is no clear cut evidence anywhere proving these claims against ben gilroy, ray whitrhead or direct democracy. However there is plenty of evidence of capitalism, corruption, nepotism, back scratching, dodgy dealing, lies, broken promises etc etc etc against all the others

Wake up ireland, nothing will change while the people are locked out of the goings on in this country.

So will I, and at least 30 immediate family members and distant relatives, and currently going through DDI policies with close friends and neighbours. I personally cannot understand why anyone in the country would not want a say in the running of their own country, and up to now, the only arguements that I got to the contrary was on Boards.ie from about a dozen posters.

darkhorse

Phoebas wrote: »

DDI do. From your own link

That is the norm. You would not keep paying while there is an investigation into the finances going on.