Would you consider voting a Majority Fianna fail for the next government?

Anynama141

Bergkamp 10 wrote: »

This is a disastrous administration

...because it is sticking to Fianna Failure's agreement with the Troika?

hobochris

I never thought I would say this, but I'm actually thinking of voting Sinn Fein at the next election, unless a new party is formed..

Anynama141

hobochris wrote: »

I never thought I would say this, but I'm actually thinking of voting Sinn Fein at the next election, unless a new party is formed..

I can sympathise. But they are also pedalling easy answers - beware of populists.

InReality

I voted yes.
I'd vote FF if the current crowd had made a bigger **** up of things than FF did .
I think that would be almost impossible but if it happened would have to kick them out ..

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Bergkamp 10 wrote: »

I have never voted FF but if it came to it I would put them down before FG who I utterly detest. This country needs leadership on a national and international level. Kenny, Martin and Gilmore are all weak leaders, Martin is actually the best of this sorry bunch but that man has had his time in a corrupt FF government and will do nothing now.

I would say Gerry Adams is the strongest political leader of the current lot, but obviously he is hated a sizeable amount of people and the media, and will probably never become Taoiseach.

Where are the leaders in FF/FG, they need to stand up and be counted. Enda Kenny seems like a nice enough fella but Taoiseach, come on some kind of joke that he is where he is.

So, once again, what policies are we atalkign about here?

tayto lover

Anynama141 wrote: »

FG and Labour have a handful of corrupt TDs, Lowry is the worst of them. FFailure is riddled with corruption. It's hard to ignore that.

FG are big into the cronyism and nepotism as has been pointed out many times.

darkhorse

Phoebas wrote: »

That Gilroy chap is a man of many faces.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTxv3kvpCjY[/QUOTE]

Why? Because he is questioning Mr Lowe?

darkhorse

Phoebas wrote: »

Because they intend to default on debt repayments, even before the results of the legal review is completed.

Who does? Where does it say that?

darkhorse

MilanPan!c wrote: »

Vote for the "sovereign citizen" party at your own peril.

Why not? Did'nt people vote for FF/FG/Labour parties at their own peril?

darkhorse

Anynama141 wrote: »

I suggest anyone interested in DDI should investigate the weird Freeman cult that Ben Gilroy is associated with. It's a strange legal cult that believes in a vast conspiracy theory about the law and governance, including such weird and wonderful fancies such as that countries are private companies and that courts are run according to Admiralty/naval law (because they use words like 'dock' and words that end with '-ship'). It's very funny but also creepy, and I'm not sure I like the idea of a politician believing that sort of horsesh!t.

Could you show us evidence that Gilroy is involved in the Freeman cult, and if the only adverst evidence ya can come up with is that he tries to help families from being evicted from their homes, forget about it.

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hfallada wrote: »

A lot of FF are lawyers meaning a lot of them are sly ****ers who I think could do a better job at negotiating a bank debt deal them the shower of teachers we have at the moment.

FF were honest the economy was ****ed and cut backs were necessary not labour and FG who were promising the Celtic tiger again within 6 month of power

Isn`t their leader a teacher?

pragmatic1

tayto lover wrote: »

FG are big into the cronyism and nepotism as has been pointed out many times.

True but FF take it to a whole other level.

pragmatic1

Bergkamp 10 wrote: »

This is a disastrous administration

Bad as they may be, there has never been a worse government since the foundation of the state than the last FF administration.

Hijpo

I will be voting for DDI, i like they system they promote. Capitalism, right wing, ukip, freeman nonsence lol there is no clear cut evidence anywhere proving these claims against ben gilroy, ray whitrhead or direct democracy. However there is plenty of evidence of capitalism, corruption, nepotism, back scratching, dodgy dealing, lies, broken promises etc etc etc against all the others

Wake up ireland, nothing will change while the people are locked out of the goings on in this country.

Phoebas

darkhorse wrote: »

Who does? Where does it say that?

DDI do. From your own link

Direct Democracy Ireland wrote:

Suspend all payments relating to the bailout, capital and interest, pending the
results of the legal review.

Srianadh

darkhorse wrote: »

Could you show us evidence that Gilroy is involved in the Freeman cult, and if the only adverst evidence ya can come up with is that he tries to help families from being evicted from their homes, forget about it.

http://redheadplace.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/ben-gilroy-and-far-right.html

I'm sorry but denying the evidence in the above link is akin to claiming there's no proof Cowen was doing the bankers a favour with the bailout!

Hijpo

Srianadh wrote: »

http://redheadplace.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/ben-gilroy-and-far-right.html

I'm sorry but denying the evidence in the above link is akin to claiming there's no proof Cowen was doing the bankers a favour with the bailout!

"The man calls it like he sees it. I have limitless time for people like that".
Refering to Farage actually sticking up for us in europe, something our government neglects to do.How doe this link him with UKIP?

TNS is a radio station, one that will actually let Gilroy on and talk for a number of minutes without being jeered or cut across by the interviewer. I dont see a problem with that.

UKIP have an opinion on the Direct Democracy model, they mention Ben Gilroy as he is involved i DD here. I take it nobody is allowed speak on a topic for fear of having the same view as UKIP?

Ben Gilroy was invited to speak at the Quinn rally about the banks being ass hats, corrupt and scapegoating. I dont see a problem with this either.

Iv never even heard of Christian Solidarity Party, and Ben has publicly stated DDI have nothing to do with them.

Ray whitehead owned a few business, does that mean anyone who vetured into self employment is a mini capitalist?


That blog is complete nonsence, slanderous and a copy and paste version of the other 2 he has floating around.

please provide something more credible than a student blogger with ties to PBP and SWP getting info from his lefty friends sharing a lucozade down the pub.

Srianadh

Hijpo wrote: »

"The man calls it like he sees it. I have limitless time for people like that".
Refering to Farage actually sticking up for us in europe, something our government neglects to do.How doe this link him with UKIP?

TNS is a radio station, one that will actually let Gilroy on and talk for a number of minutes without being jeered or cut across by the interviewer. I dont see a problem with that.

UKIP have an opinion on the Direct Democracy model, they mention Ben Gilroy as he is involved i DD here. I take it nobody is allowed speak on a topic for fear of having the same view as UKIP?

Ben Gilroy was invited to speak at the Quinn rally about the banks being ass hats, corrupt and scapegoating. I dont see a problem with this either.

Iv never even heard of Christian Solidarity Party, and Ben has publicly stated DDI have nothing to do with them.

Ray whitehead owned a few business, does that mean anyone who vetured into self employment is a mini capitalist?


That blog is complete nonsence, slanderous and a copy and paste version of the other 2 he has floating around.

please provide something more credible than a student blogger with ties to PBP and SWP getting info from his lefty friends sharing a lucozade down the pub.

Like Cowen and the bankers, a lot of the evidence we have at hand is circumstantial but there's a hell of a lot of it. And look up the Christian Solidarity Party for yourself. They're nuts, use an almost identical logo (and have done so since the early 90's at least) plus they heavily canvassed and campaigned for Gilroy.

Phoebas

Hijpo wrote: »

Iv never even heard of Christian Solidarity Party, and Ben has publicly stated DDI have nothing to do with them.

He also said on the PrimeTime program following the Meath East by-election that he hadn't even heard of them until recently.
Obviously nobody in their right mind would believe that.

Hijpo

Srianadh wrote: »

Like Cowen and the bankers, a lot of the evidence we have at hand is circumstantial but there's a hell of a lot of it. And look up the Christian Solidarity Party for yourself. They're nuts, use an almost identical logo (and have done so since the early 90's at least) plus they heavily canvassed and campaigned for Gilroy.

Circumstancial? So all these tribunals are paid for to find circumstancial evidence? Meaning none of them will be prosecuted, meaning the milions it costs for these enquiries we get no end result? Adding to the extreme waste already being practiced?

If any of them were anyway serious about ending corruption and changing the country they would be changing legislation to prevent such things instead of changing legislation to evict families.

No confidence in any established political party, DDI want to change the system and im all for it.

Hijpo

Phoebas wrote: »

He also said on the PrimeTime program following the Meath East by-election that he hadn't even heard of them until recently.
Obviously nobody would believe that.

Why? Has he been seen to affiliate with freeman groups and seen at meetings, is it because he questioned a receiver to make sure they were operating within the laws they were there to enforce and not just picking and choosing what law to uphold using peoples ignorance to benefit there own agenfa? Or is it because he was on a radio station promoting DDI?

Phoebas

Hijpo wrote: »

Why? Has he been seen to affiliate with freeman groups and seen at meetings, is it because he questioned a receiver to make sure they were operating within the laws they were there to enforce and not just picking and choosing what law to uphold using peoples ignorance to benefit there own agenfa? Or is it because he was on a radio station promoting DDI?

Yeah - fair enough. When he was thinking up a trademark for DDI, it probably came to him in a dream (much like his 'policies').

Hijpo

Phoebas wrote: »

Yeah - fair enough. When he was thinking up a trademark for DDI, it probably came to him in a dream (much like his 'policies').

Have you researched what the tricircle stands for and opend your mind to the fact that it suits what DDI believe in or just took it for granted that its the freeman one because it suits your argument?

MilanPan!c

Ben has admitted to calling the Freeman cultists out to his media stunts. Ben has repeatedly advised people that their scams are true, such as:

- only certain colours of ink are legally binding
- "legally" and "lawfully" have a secret difference, which justifies certain behaviour/beliefs

He also posted up a sign on his door claiming he was "Ben Gilroy™" - which is also a sovereign citizen thing.

He ALSO promotes a freeman/sovereign citizen con man on his homepage, who claims, "all debt to banks is an illusion" and tells people if they pay to go to his seminars they can learn how to legally stop paying all debts they owe to banks.

On TOP of all of that: Ben went on RTE and claimed he didn't understand why anyone would call his nonsensical ramblings "freeman language" a peculiar bit of nonsense, considering the Irish Law Society noted he was using "freeman language" in their expose of the Irish Freeman/sovereign Citizen scams in December, in their magazine/newsletter.

Ben is a crazy nutter, who's promoting a con man. A vote for him is basically the worst idea going.

tayto lover

pragmatic1 wrote: »

True but FF take it to a whole other level.

Not much difference in either party in my opinion. Two sets of crooks. Enough to put you off voting.

Srianadh

Don't get me wrong. DDI may well be a decent idea worth giving a go but I firmly believe that Gilroy is bad news. Everyone he has "helped" in his confrontational videos has ended up worse off as a result of his interventions. It's a publicity stunt for Ben Gilroy paid for by the misfortune that's loosing their home via call out charges being added on for the wasted trip and non-compliance orders being served against them. Gilroy is dangerous.

Oh and Hijpo, Cowen and the bankers hasn't ever been investigated by any tribunal so I've no idea what the hell you're ranting about. Personally I don't want a tribunal, they only serve to make rich barristers richer. A criminal investigation would be much more cost effective with the possibility of real results.

Hijpo

Srianadh wrote: »

Don't get me wrong. DDI may well be a decent idea worth giving a go but I firmly believe that Gilroy is bad news. Everyone he has "helped" in his confrontational videos has ended up worse off as a result of his interventions. It's a publicity stunt for Ben Gilroy paid for by the misfortune that's loosing their home via call out charges being added on for the wasted trip and non-compliance orders being served against them. Gilroy is dangerous.

Oh and Hijpo, Cowen and the bankers hasn't ever been investigated by any tribunal so I've no idea what the hell you're ranting about. Personally I don't want a tribunal, they only serve to make rich barristers richer. A criminal investigation would be much more cost effective with the possibility of real results.

Dont vote for gilroy then, aslong as people dont write off DDI because of the people in it. If you dont agree with ben girloy atleast DDI gives you your say, if you dont agree with kenny/hogan your screwed and there is nothing you can do about it or make them listen.

Who said anything about cowen and bankers? Its actually even more of an outrage that nothing has been done to find out what they were at, not even the regulator!!
And nothing ever will be done because they all have dirt on each other and by sinking one they run the risk of sinking themselves.

laoch na mona

they just went from nothing my vote to me utterly despising them

http://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/22932

Chemical Burn

NO

MilanPan!c

Hijpo wrote: »

Dont vote for gilroy then, aslong as people dont write off DDI because of the people in it. If you dont agree with ben girloy atleast DDI gives you your say, if you dont agree with kenny/hogan your screwed and there is nothing you can do about it or make them listen.

Who said anything about cowen and bankers? Its actually even more of an outrage that nothing has been done to find out what they were at, not even the regulator!!

Yes yes vote for the lying nutter. Great plan.