Exclusion of Sex Workers from Justice Committee

Three Seasons

There are generally speaking drawbacks to sex work. Without those drawbacks the money wouldn't be so good as more competition would enter the industry. So if you can handle the drawbacks better than be most be happy about the drawbacks as they allow you to be paid so well.

morlock_

Every year, thousands of men, women and children are trafficked across international borders. The vast majority of countries in the world are affected by trafficking, whether as a country of origin, transit or destination for victims. The United Nations estimated in 2008 that nearly 2.5 million people from 127 different countries had been being trafficked into 137 countries around the world.

The researchers used a global sample of 116 countries. They found that countries where prostitution is legal tend to experience a higher reported inflow of human trafficking than countries in which prostitution is prohibited.

Germany showed a sharp increase in reports of human trafficking upon fully legalising prostitution in 2002. The number of human trafficking victims in 2004 in Denmark, where it is decriminalised, was more than four times that of Sweden, where it is illegal, although the population size of Sweden is about 40 per cent larger.

Describing international human trafficking as “one of the dark sides of globalisation”, it explains that most victims of international human trafficking are women and girls, the vast majority of whom end up being sexually exploited through prostitution. Domestic policy on prostitution in countries of destination, it says, has a marked effect.

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There's plenty of data/research out there that shows legalised prostitution increases demand for sex slaves.

As you say, the money is good, but these women never see a cent of it.

If prostitution were fully legalised in Ireland, you would see an influx of sex slaves to meet demand.
You want to support that? . . .

CK73

Czarcasm wrote: »

I don't know CK, is my honest answer to that one. Like any prospectiove job applicant I suppose you'd tailor your CV accordingly. I've had to go through three separate Garda vetting applications for three positions I hold now, voluntary unpaid positions I might add, but still positions of responsibility. If you have never been arrested for anything, I'm sure you'd be fine. I'd hire you in a heartbeat as PR manager tbh, because you're damn good at it!


I extended an invitation to you at the start of this thread to come and work with me, still no word. Am I to assume you're not interested? Because if you're going to tell me not to assume anything, then you shouldn't be so ready to assume that you'll automatically get turned down for a job because you're currently self-employed as a sex worker! There are many businesses crying out for talented people with people skills, after that you can teach them the technical stuff.





Well it depends on how you look at it, on the one hand she is an adult who signed a contract of employment, she broke the terms of that contract. She was fired. It's not brain surgery.


Now you could look at it the other way and say the hospital may have lost a good nurse. But then if they let her slide, they start off on a slippery slope, and thereby putting the hospital at risk of being sued. Money talks as they say.




Is it though? It seems to have worked in the past for other issues. Ohh that's right, you expect it to happen overnight automatically at the stroke of a politicians pen.


No, that's not going to happen.





Right. So the very thing I was ripped to shreds for all throughout this thread that people mistakenly believed I was doing (thinking for other people), you're now doing that and thinking people can't fend for themselves and they shouldn't be allowed think for themselves and make up their own minds, because it doesn't suit you... Isn't that interesting?


The bolded bit you know well isn't true, I won't even entertain that kind of scaremongering.





Up to you CK, but then don't say society, and the media, and the politicians, and anyone else, is to blame for a perception which you haven't done anything yourself to change.


It's funny that whole level of risk and reward thing- you'll have sex with strangers, because the money is good, and you've gone on here about what a great life it is and how it hasn't done you any harm, etc, and you'll take THAT risk... but you wouldn't take the risk of telling those closest to you about it, and informing them and educating them, nor putting it down on your CV in case it harmed your prospects for working with children?


You're sending out more mixed messages there CK than a Mars probe!









That wouldn't be you underestimating men now would it? Because you tried to say I was underestimating women earlier and you were shown to be completely wrong. But now you think it's ok for you to underestimate men? Have at it CK at this stage as far as I'm concerned, I'm finding it hard to take you seriously any more. Also what you're doing there at the end of that last paragraph is called projecting.






...said the neurologist, architect, solicitor, surgeon, fries technician...


See where I'm going CK? You could say the same about any job.






Well your son wouldn't be far off the mark were he to think you were a hypocrite surely?


If you want him to trust your judgement, tell him the truth. I was collecting my wife one night after a meeting and I had my son with me. I was approached by two young girls who asked me did I want to do business. I politely declined saying I was just waiting for my wife. So they chatted away then to my son and he had his atlas with him and the girls were showing him where they were from, etc, until suddenly they got up and just walked on. I wasn't surprised by this as all the while they were chatting to my son, I had one eye on my son, and one eye on the girl's pimp across the road in a silver BMW watching them, then ringing one of the girls on her mobile. My son thought it was his fault and I just told him that the girls were meant to be working and their boss told them to move on, it wasn't his fault at all. He understood that a lot better than wondering what the hell happened.


So you see on the one hand I get that you need to trust your judgement in what you tell him, but there's no need to be a hypocrite about it.





Keep that to yourself CK, there are people around these parts that would lambast you for doing your son's thinking for him. I'm not one of them btw as I understand that children need to be given the information when they're mature enough and ready for it and they need guidance, not to be taught to be so judgemental of others who differ from themselves in some way or have a different point of view.






Yeah, I get that CK, because she has a long held belief that sex workers are scum, such a long held belief in fact that she passed it on to you, and now you are passing it on to your son by not educating him either and letting him make up his own mind on how he feels about sex work. You underestimate him, and he may just surprise you.


Now, I'm off to get ready for a christening at five o clock. I've been asked to be Godfather to my brother's son. The same brother who along with the rest of my family fell out with me over my choices in life and we didn't talk for a good ten years. We've only recently been back in contact for the last four years, during which time the rest of the family seem to have come round to the idea that I as an individual am not a scumbag.


My mothers still batsh�t crazy though, so I get where you're coming from CK

Oh my head!!!! I so want to answer this properly, but I'm afraid I won't do it justice, as I've been out 2 nights running (holiday) and am very tired.

I am sorry, I don't remember you offering me work. Thank you for the compliments by the way. They were noted and appreciated.

I do debate with my son on subjects such as prostitution when a natural opportunity comes up. For instance last year he went to Amsterdam for a weekend with a few of his friends and we talked about it on his return. His general feeling is that it's not a problem and why not?

However, he sees me as a 'non' sexual being. If I buy a new dress and ask him if it looks nice on me, he would just shrug and say, 'I don't know?' He just doesn't see me in that way and I guess I'm happy with that, because what he does see in me is comfort, security, love and all the things that you want your child to have from their parents. He may be grown up now, but he still has a lot of maturing to do. Maybe one day I will tell him the truth, but the time is not right now.

My Mum is quite backward and ignorant in her thoughts. She is also a very judgmental woman. She has had 3 relationships in her life and was married to 2 of the 3. She has mellowed, but still she does not take on new information easily and fights with anything that does not conform to her ideals. She is the kind of person that judges someone by the clothes that they wear.

Of course I have tried for years to tell her that she can't say this, or she shouldn't think that, on many many subjects, but largely with no effect. It really is like beating your head against a brick wall and as she gets older the more she shuts the door to compromise or changing opinions. I love her, but I would never want to be her.

I personally think the world is full of hypocrisy. A world that pats a guy on the back for having a one night stand and slams the door on the face of the woman he slept with and tries to degrade her. Have you ever heard a man say, 'If she sleeps with me on the first night then I would not date her', because he instantly loses respect and can't trust her. The fact that he is willing to sleep with her on the first date? That is hypocrisy, but a standard that many live by.

I've been on many Escorting forums, where men have discussed dating Escorts and time and time again they have said that they would not trust a woman who was an Escort to be faithful, even if she gave up to be with him. My attitude comes from what I have read, more than what I assume of men. If they wouldn't consider dating the one night stand, I guess it makes sense that the prostitute isn't going to be a keeper.

I had many misconceptions about prostitution before I entered the world. I thought there would be no passion, no attraction, no real communication and no orgasm. I thought it would be totally one sided and I did think I would be 'used' as apposed to enjoying mutual pleasure. I thought I would have to continue swinging to get my own sexual pleasure and would have to 'grin and bear' it to a point, but thought that if it protected what mattered to me and meant I could give my family stability, then there were worse things I could do and I was willing to give it a go.

It's been nothing like that. I've met so many lovely people and has such a lot of fun and laughter and genuinely look forward to the time when I work. I've not worked for a week now and I'm actually really missing it.

My misconceptions have been blown out of the water through first hand experience. I don't know if words alone could have really have changed my mind so radically.

Also (final note) I think the media made me think of street walkers (scum) etc, but that was not my actual attitude. I've never had a problem with the idea of prostitution. I just didn't think it was ever something I could do for the reasons given above. It is given the image of being very conveyer belt, robotic and clinical. These are the things I had to battle with in my head. I never felt I was lowering myself, so I guess in truth I never really bought the 'scum' thing that the media often portray and maybe others don't too, but I do know that if I did go around telling people what I was doing it would cause problems and I'm not just saying that, as I was discovered to be swinging and got lectured by my cousins as 'under selling myself' and being 'worth more'. How ironic is that?

Oh and I am trying to change attitudes. http://http://sexworkersallianceireland.org/news/post/index/4/The-Views-Of-Real-Sex-Workers-part-2-Kate

I'm also in touch with the media and filling in surveys and the submission I wrote was 17 pages long for the DIAL and took me 2 weeks to write, because I wanted to get it right. I just don't think identity exposure is the best way to do it.

Three Seasons

It's so refreshing to hear a real escort actually give their own opinions and experiences of sex work.

The number of times you hear the regurgitated narrative that escorts can't possibly enjoy sex is quite strange. It's like that's what they want reality to be so they do their best to convince themselves and everyone else.

pablomakaveli

Three Seasons wrote: »

It's so refreshing to hear a real escort actually give their own opinions and experiences of sex work.

The number of times you hear the regurgitated narrative that escorts can't possibly enjoy sex is quite strange. It's like that's what they want reality to be so they do their best to convince themselves and everyone else.

If only our politicians saw it that way. The people who's opinion matters most in this matter are being dismissed and ignored and instead a religious group are advising on the matter.

Its just baffling.