TUF 17

John_D80

anyone have a good stream for the prelims?

lertsnim

ufc.tv is pretty good

John_D80

lertsnim wrote: »

ufc.tv is pretty good

Thanks bud

lertsnim

That was a fine elbow for the ko

weemcd

Nice elbow from nowhere from Clint!

Dylan won easily when he had a chance to connect on Quinlan.

Delighted for both fighters TBH, good night so far, looking forward to TUF final now, not very interested in the main event

welkin

How the hell are bubba and Gilbert on the main card?

Those two were probably the worst on the show. Both in terms of likeability and fighting skill

Lenin Skynard

Zingano can fairly take a shot.

Mellor

Zingano landed at least one illegal knee in the build up to the finish.

welkin

Thought hall did enough there.

Kelvin did nothing besides take downs.

Mr. Loverman

welkin wrote: »

Thought hall did enough there.

Kelvin did nothing besides take downs.

Yeah it's a problem with MMA judging. Way too much credit is given to take downs and wrestling.

Mr Blobby

Yes !!!

Happy he won... Close fight though.

Only 21 as well :eek:

welkin

Mr. Loverman wrote: »

Yeah it's a problem with MMA judging. Way too much credit is given to take downs and wrestling.

He did nothing on top and Uriah reversed most of the time.

Thought the ref might have stopped it in round 3 too

Lenin Skynard

welkin wrote: »

Thought hall did enough there.

Kelvin did nothing besides take downs.

Don't agree with that at all. He pushed Hall back for the whole fight and landed a lot more strikes. I was surprised that it was even a split, he won all three rounds.

Mr Blobby

Hall lost that fight because of the first round.

Overall I thought Kevin done enough. He pushed the pace, got some good takedowns... I do though think he looked gassed in the third round.

welkin

Thought that was a10-8 round but the judges never award them

welkin

Faber must be the best pound for pound non-title.holder!

mailburner

nino1 wrote: »

Why is bubba v Gilbert on the main card?

I hope to god he's not on the next main card
He did nothing to deserve a main card slot at all and
he still hasnt beat anybody

Mr. CooL ICE

Tate Zingano was a helluva fight. Dana must be delighted as the only two female bouts so far have been absolute wars. Tate's standup is terrible though. She punches like Tank Abbott

weemcd

Tate was complaining about the stoppage being too early.

I had no problem with the stoppage at all, girl ate alot of knees and her face was a mess.

adamski8

Glad hall got beaten, looked like he believed his own hype and wasnt taking the fight seriously. He will get a contract anyway

p to the e

Mellor wrote: »

Zingano landed at least one illegal knee in the build up to the finish.

Completely agree with this. Some guy tweeted (or whatever you call it) Tate this picture

welkin

Anyone think Browne's elbows to Gonzaga were illegal?

in two ways, both 12-6 and back of the head.

Professey Chin

welkin wrote: »

Anyone think Browne's elbows to Gonzaga were illegal?

in two ways, both 12-6 and back of the head.

Nope. To the side of the head and they were side on instead of north/south

Ian Whelan

welkin wrote: »

Anyone think Browne's elbows to Gonzaga were illegal?

in two ways, both 12-6 and back of the head.

Back of the head - Yes - For definite in my view (not all of them but certainly the latter ones).

Jayo_M

welkin wrote: »

Anyone think Browne's elbows to Gonzaga were illegal?

in two ways, both 12-6 and back of the head.

A couple at least were back of the head, don't think any were 12-6 though. Florian put forward the argument that Gonzaga was already out before the shots to the back of the head, and I think he's spot on there.

darced

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welkin

Jayo_M wrote: »

A couple at least were back of the head, don't think any were 12-6 though. Florian put forward the argument that Gonzaga was already out before the shots to the back of the head, and I think he's spot on there.

If the poor guy is out and he's getting more blows to the back of the head isn't that worse?
for his safety?

As D'arce says should be a NC.

this sport is getting dangerous lately, we've seen Arlovski have his jaw broken cause someone forgot to ring the bell.

Mellor

darced wrote: »

Have to disagree the first to the back of the head put him out,should be a nc.

I watched it a few times, and imo the action went as following.
Three elbows to side of the head,
At this point Gonzaga dropped to a knee and the ref started to move in to stop,
The next elbow hit the back of the head, and the next was half cut off by the ref but prob would if hit the back if the head or even the far side.

Gonzaga was out before the rear head strike and the ref was stopping it anyway. DQ and NC rules aren't exactly consistent but the fact that it was already over leads me to think that a win for Brown was correct.

On the other side, in Tates fight the first knee was illegal. Kim Winslow should have stopped it and allowed her to recover. In this case the illegal knee opened up the attack of legal strikes to end it. A lot if people disagree with the 3 points if contact rule, but that's irrelevant. It's the rule we have to work with.

darced

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Mellor

darced wrote: »

I see it as the third which buckled him was definately back of the head,We'll have to agree to disagree:)I thought the knee was legal:)The picture doesnt show the point of impact,its close though.

The 100% illegal elbow definitely took him out of it further. But I felt the damage was fine, very close. I expected an appeal to the AC would be at least considered.

As for the knee, I slo-mo'd it at the time of my sky recording. The girlfriend thought the hand came up at contact and I thought it I was contact that lifted the hand up. I'm not sure that matters though, when she decided threw the knee Tate was completely grounded, she should know the rules. Lucky for her, Kim Winslow has an even lower grasp of MMA rules.