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    #512
    SRFC
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,132 ✭✭✭SRFC


    dk6dk6 wrote: »
    Stop talking constant ****e please, you're notorious for it

    Excuse after excuse with the horse,admit you done your money and move on the horse is no good won a grade one about 4 yrs ago.


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    #513
    RichieLawlor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭RichieLawlor


    dk6dk6 wrote: »
    Stop talking constant ****e please, you're notorious for it

    In fairness to SCFC, and I give him a lot of stick, he is correct and you are the one talkin out of your hole.

    Grandouet has been beaten 3 times by Zarkandar who by Huntleys own admission is 'slow', he has been on the deck 3 times aswell.

    It baffles me that some people believe him to be the second coming. Wait till he does something to warrant it.


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    #514
    Hulk Hands
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    dk6dk6 wrote: »
    Just my opinion would have been 2 nd at worst and honestly believe he would have won because dey wer almost all at it when he came down.

    He fell in the 4th last in an 8 hurdle race, not far past half way. Nobody was 'at it' at that stage. There's no telling how he would've finished, as he always travels like that. I'd be very surprised if he improved past the 4th place Zarkandar by that much to challenge HF. Anyway, he's taken liberties at his hurdles more than once, that's a huge flaw in his ability


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    #515
    droidman123
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    in a simplistic nutshell, grandouet is a hurdler who cant hurdle.


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    #516
    Colonel Sanders
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    RichieLawlor wrote: »
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    It baffles me that some people believe him to be the second coming. Wait till he does something to warrant it.

    He probably is over rated on what he's actually achieved but only being a 6yo I'm not writing him off yet

    I'm hoping he'll go to Punchestown


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    #517
    dk6dk6
    Registered Users Posts: 503 ✭✭✭dk6dk6


    RichieLawlor wrote: »

    In fairness to SCFC, and I give him a lot of stick, he is correct and you are the one talkin out of your hole.

    Grandouet has been beaten 3 times by Zarkandar who by Huntleys own admission is 'slow', he has been on the deck 3 times aswell.

    It baffles me that some people believe him to be the second coming. Wait till he does something to warrant it.
    Says a clown like you that said he had zero chance, stop talkin ****e yet again it's embarrassing.


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    #518
    dk6dk6
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    Hulk Hands wrote: »

    He fell in the 4th last in an 8 hurdle race, not far past half way. Nobody was 'at it' at that stage. There's no telling how he would've finished, as he always travels like that. I'd be very surprised if he improved past the 4th place Zarkandar by that much to challenge HF. Anyway, he's taken liberties at his hurdles more than once, that's a huge flaw in his ability
    He was goin best of anyone and you know full well he would have been placed at worst so if u want talk crap then work away. And nobody was at it, comedy gold, I suggest u watch the race again and stop dribbling out of u, te winner was hard at it at that stage.


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    #519
    dk6dk6
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    SRFC wrote: »

    Excuse after excuse with the horse,admit you done your money and move on the horse is no good won a grade one about 4 yrs ago.
    Like I said you're notorious for it. Want examples to prove this?


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    #520
    RichieLawlor
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    dk6dk6 wrote: »
    Says a clown like you that said he had zero chance, stop talkin ****e yet again it's embarrassing.

    I said he had zero chance! Was I right then :-)


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    #521
    Huntley
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    RichieLawlor wrote: »
    In fairness to SCFC, and I give him a lot of stick, he is correct and you are the one talkin out of your hole.

    Grandouet has been beaten 3 times by Zarkandar who by Huntleys own admission is 'slow', he has been on the deck 3 times aswell.

    It baffles me that some people believe him to be the second coming. Wait till he does something to warrant it.

    Grandouet has been beaten twice by Zarkandar. He was brought down in a race that Zarkandar won, it doesn't mean he was beaten ffs.

    In the Triumph Zarkandar was the most forward horse. Development wise he was streets ahead of Grandouet, and in juvenile and novice territory that is a big advantage around a tough track like Cheltenham.

    In the Bula the conditions were terrible, it was a stamina contest. Zarkandar ground out that victory simply for that reason, and if the conditions were similar I would expect him to come out on top again. (Technically he was beaten at the weights)

    The 'speed' of Zarkandar has never usurped Grandouet, that is pretty clear.

    Not sure who has hailed him as the second coming, never seen evidence of that myself on here. He is clearly a grade 1 animal however who hasn't reached his full potential. Worth noting that Hurricane Fly's connections feared him most today for that reason.


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    #522
    dk6dk6
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    RichieLawlor wrote: »

    I said he had zero chance! Was I right then :-)
    Point proven, you're a moron


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    #523
    droidman123
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    Huntley wrote: »
    Grandouet has been beaten twice by Zarkandar. He was brought down in a race that Zarkandar won, it doesn't mean he was beaten ffs.

    In the Triumph Zarkandar was the most forward horse. Development wise he was streets ahead of Grandouet, and in juvenile and novice territory that is a big advantage around a tough track like Cheltenham.

    In the Bula the conditions were terrible, it was a stamina contest. Zarkandar ground out that victory simply for that reason, and if the conditions were similar I would expect him to come out on top again. (Technically he was beaten at the weights)

    The 'speed' of Zarkandar has never usurped Grandouet, that is pretty clear.

    Not sure who has hailed him as the second coming, never seen evidence of that myself on here. He is clearly a grade 1 animal however who hasn't reached his full potential. Worth noting that Hurricane Fly's connections feared him most today for that reason.
    pure speculation that he is a grade 1 horse, you may be right, but he has yet to prove it.would you back him against h.f if he came to punchestown? if so,why? i,m not being argumentative, i just cant see the attraction of the horse myself.


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    #524
    RichieLawlor
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    Huntley wrote: »
    He is clearly a grade 1 animal

    He is 5/11 since moving to England, A Media Luz, Two Kisses, Kumbeshwar, Marsh Warbler and Overturn are the horses that have finished second to him.
    He's been beaten by Sam Winner, Zarkandar and failed to complete a few times.


    He is not 'clearly' a grade one animal on what he has achieved. Only on potential.


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    #525
    Huntley
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    droidman123 wrote: »
    pure speculation that he is a grade 1 horse, you may be right, but he has yet to prove it.

    Dear God.

    The horse has won a Grade 1. He has beaten Grade 1 winners, including a Supreme winner, Champion Hurdle runner up and a Champion Hurdle winner and subsequent runner up. He is quite clearly a Grade 1 animal.


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    #526
    SRFC
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    Huntley wrote: »
    Dear God.

    The horse has won a Grade 1. He has beaten Grade 1 winners, including a Supreme winner, Champion Hurdle runner up and a Champion Hurdle winner and subsequent runner up. He is quite clearly a Grade 1 animal.


    What Champion hurdle winner has he ever beaten?


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    #527
    Huntley
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    SRFC wrote: »
    What Champion hurdle winner has he ever beaten?

    Istabraq.


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    #528
    droidman123
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    Huntley wrote: »
    Dear God.

    The horse has won a Grade 1. He has beaten Grade 1 winners, including a Supreme winner, Champion Hurdle runner up and a Champion Hurdle winner and subsequent runner up. He is quite clearly a Grade 1 animal.
    first of all, i would prefer if you didnt refer to me as god. i dont recall what champion hurdle winner he has beaten,not saying you are wrong. nortons coin won a grade 1,as in the gold cup. now,seriously do you class him as a grade 1 horse in the grand scheme of things? i,m not saying grandouet is a mule, but the point i am making is i dont think its as classy as people make it out to be.


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    #529
    RichieLawlor
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    He means he finished in front of Rock on Ruby. Grandouet won't be winning any grade 1s over hurdles any time soon I'd think


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    #530
    ft9
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    SRFC wrote: »
    What Champion hurdle winner has he ever beaten?

    Rock On Ruby springs to mind.


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    #531
    SRFC
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    ft9 wrote: »
    Rock On Ruby springs to mind.


    Finished in front of a horse in a 3 horse race ffs thats clutching at straws.


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    #532
    ft9
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    SRFC wrote: »
    Finished in front of a horse in a 3 horse race ffs thats clutching at straws.

    I was only answering your question. Which was obvious btw.


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    #533
    droidman123
    Registered Users Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭droidman123


    ft9 wrote: »

    I was only answering your question. Which was obvious btw.
    The point I was making was just because a horse wins a grade1 race doesn't necesserarily mean its a class horse.I gave nortons coin as an example,I,m sure we all have lots of other examples too.I say again,I don't think grandouet is a mule,but I do think its definitely overrated.


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    #534
    prettyboy81
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    Lock it down & throw away the key to this thread!


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    #535
    hucklebuck
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    Unlucky Huntley, he was travelling well.

    I expected a quick pace but that was nuts.:eek: Great seeing Hurricane Fly win to again, form is temporary class is permanent.


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    #536
    droidman123
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    hucklebuck wrote: »
    Unlucky Huntley, he was travelling well.

    I expected a quick pace but that was nuts.:eek: Great seeing Hurricane Fly win to again, form is temporary class is permanent.
    If a horse is brought down,it could be considered as "unlucky".the fact that grandouet fell wasnt unlucky, it simply means the horse is a poor jumper.


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    #537
    ft9
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    droidman123 wrote: »
    If a horse is brought down,it could be considered as "unlucky".the fact that grandouet fell wasnt unlucky, it simply means the horse is a poor jumper.

    Yeah, just like Kauto Star was a poor jumper because he fell.


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    #538
    droidman123
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    ft9 wrote: »

    Yeah, just like Kauto Star was a poor jumper because he fell.
    Omg i knew someone would come back with that.the difference is,kauto star was a proven class horse,gold cups,king georges,tingle creek etc etc.now seriously,be honest, no comparison? I think people are missing my point,all i am saying is,grandouet might prove to be a class animal in time,hooefully he will,the sport needs top class horses.


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    #539
    hucklebuck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,173 ✭✭✭hucklebuck


    droidman123 wrote: »
    If a horse is brought down,it could be considered as "unlucky".the fact that grandouet fell wasnt unlucky, it simply means the horse is a poor jumper.

    I said "unlucky Huntley" I was talking about losing his bet because of a faller.


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    #540
    droidman123
    Registered Users Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭droidman123


    hucklebuck wrote: »

    I said "unlucky Huntley" I was talking about losing his bet because of a faller.
    Yes i realise that and i would never gloat at another punters misfortune.i didnt mean any offence to his bet.


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    #541
    Hulk Hands
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    ft9 wrote: »
    Yeah, just like Kauto Star was a poor jumper because he fell.

    :rolleyes: There's a difference between a hurdler and chaser. Also, in terms of all time great chasers, Kauto probably was a poor jumper. It was everything else that made him incredible


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