Upcoming Irish property tax to cost 'on average' €1000 per house.(can you afford it?)

Ghandee

Just read this article online, and tbh its quite disturbing reading.

Daniel McConnell reports that on average, each Irish household will be forced to pay in the region of one thousand euro per house, which let's face it, unless your on seriously good money, to suddenly have one thousand euro suddenly taken from your disposable income will be pretty tough going.

I personally do not agree with this charge/tax for various reasons, main one being (obviously) having already suffered salary reductions, rising cost (don't even mention the USC charge), but also,

We're already indirectly paying for LA services via income tax, vat etc, and it would be suggested that this impending tax will bridge the gap where LA services are not covered by these taxes.


However, that's the reason we currently pay for various services like refuse collection, education fees (plus school lunches and transport) doctors fees health care fees, extortionate motor tax, crippling fuel tax (which has vat added to that) tolls on the roads also.

This incoming tax has been compared to the rates system in the north, or the council tax system in the UK, but this simply is not true. (all the things outlined above are included with rates/council tax at no extra cost)

Can you afford to pay €1,000 a year in a property tax? Well, according to the man charged with designing such a tax, that is what we will, on average, all pay once it is introduced. Don Thornhill, a career civil servant who describes himself now as a consultant "who advises on strategy and policy to a number of leading Irish organisations" has recently presented his report to Minister Phil Hogan recommending how such a property tax should work. Politically toxic and highly unpopular, the lack of enthusiasm of either Fine Gael or Labour to discuss the matter is a clear sign of the trepidation that surrounds the idea of lumping the extra burden on the shoulders of the Irish taxpayer, but in particular the "squeezed middle classes". Phil Hogan's department is saying nothing other than they have received the report and will consider it. Even Thornhill himself declined to comment on the matter when asked. So what is going on? The Government, clearly spooked by the €100 Household Charge debacle earlier this year, is caught in a dilemma. Unwilling to increase income taxes, as promised in the Programme for Government, its options are limited and Thornhill has long argued that common sense dictates that Ireland should have a property tax

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/daniel-mcconnell-next-big-hot-potato-is-property-tax-of-up-to-1000-3175429.html

All this, while our leader's are along the highest paid in Europe, and Edna Kenny actually gets more than the leader of the UK (with roughly fifteen times the population) David Cameron (pretty good for the leader of a bankrupt country)

Simple poll has been added, so let's hear your views.

eth0

They can get ta fcuk

Shower of utter useless bastards FG+Labour

What house?

<_<
>_>

Hande hoche!

It's good to own land.

TeddyTedson

Why do **** do they keep going after people who can't afford it? It doesn't make sense. Just bump up the poxy corporation tax for **** sake. Companies won't leave over a 1% rise. Will they?

Ghandee

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Why do **** do they keep going after people who can't afford it? It doesn't make sense. Just bump up the poxy corporation tax for **** sake. Companies won't leave over a 1% rise. Will they?

Soft targets Teddy.

Those who can least afford to pay it, can least afford to fight back.

JustAddWater

"You can't tax your way out of a recession" .... WTF is all this then

If only hypocrisy and lying to get into power were a crime

Smidge

Is this a different tax from the household tax/charge or the same?

TeddyTedson

Ghandee wrote: »

Soft targets Teddy.

Those who can least afford to pay it, can least afford to fight back.

Or even just increase income tax. I wouldn't mind that. At least it's somewhat fair.

I think we're actually going to have to over throw the government at some stage. In 2 years time we won't have a pot to piss in.
Who can you vote for either, the Sinners? FF?
I'd nearly vote the Sinners in actually at this stage...

Goat the dote

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Ghandee wrote: »

Soft targets Teddy.

Those who can least afford to pay it, can least afford to fight back.

Or even just increase income tax. I wouldn't mind that. At least it's somewhat fair.

I think we're actually going to have to over throw the government at some stage. In 2 years time we won't have a pot to piss in.
Who can you vote for either, the Sinners? FF?
I'd nearly vote the Sinners in actually at this stage...

Oh god no. Not the sinners.. I'd take bertie back at this stage. At least things always seemed jolly when he was around..

eth0

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Or even just increase income tax. I wouldn't mind that. At least it's somewhat fair.

I think we're actually going to have to over throw the government at some stage. In 2 years time we won't have a pot to piss in.
Who can you vote for either, the Sinners? FF?
I'd nearly vote the Sinners in actually at this stage...

Assuming you don't live in a caravan property tax is just a base rate of income tax that has to be paid even if you're making 0 a year. Putting up income tax won't kill the economy any more than property tax except you won't be taking money from people who are earning nothing.

the groutch

what's the point in having a poll if the results are hidden?

Ghandee

mishkalucy wrote: »

Is this a different tax from the household tax/charge or the same?

The HHC never was a HHC.

it was simply a registration exercise so they'd know who to send the bills to with this upcoming tax (and to add insult, they charged you to later shaft you)

I for one am glad I never registered, and I hope all that did, and now see (what we all predicted) the €100 quickly turning into €1000 are proud of themselves.

This tax won't just 'go away' by whinging about it, BUT, by refusing to cooperate (i.e not paying it) it might just.

Your country needs you folks. (while ministers pick up a variety of pensions)

Forget banana republic, we're living in a potato one :rolleyes:

Pottler

the groutch wrote: »

what's the point in having a poll if the results are hidden?

It's the Irish version of transparency.

Run_to_da_hills

It will be the IMF giving these orders on this issue in the not so distant future so you will be wasting your time bitching at the government.

Same goes for slashing the Dole and DA allowances.

The Gardai better be well equipped.

tayto lover

It doesn't matter if it's 1e or 1,000e i'm not paying a tax on my home. Same people being hit all the time.

Smidge

Ghandee wrote: »

The HHC never was a HHC.

it was simply a registration exercise so they'd know who to send the bills to with this upcoming tax (and to add insult, they charged you to later shaft you)

I for one am glad I never registered, and I hope all that did, and now see (what we all predicted) this being introduced are proud of themselves.

Your country needs you folks. (while ministers pick up a variety of pensions)

Forget banana republic, we're living in a potato one :rolleyes:

So is it the same thing or different(I'm assuming a different charge/tax)?

Chucky the tree

On average can be very misleading.

TeddyTedson

eth0 wrote: »

Assuming you don't live in a caravan property tax is just a base rate of income tax that has to be paid even if you're making 0 a year. Putting up income tax won't kill the economy any more than property tax except you won't be taking money from people who are earning nothing.

Isn't that kind of a good thing...

Hootanany

Ghandee wrote: »

Just read this article online, and tbh its quite disturbing reading.

Daniel McConnell reports that on average, each Irish household will be forced to pay in the region of one thousand euro per house, which let's face it, unless your on seriously good money, to suddenly have one thousand euro suddenly taken from your disposable income will be pretty tough going.

I personally do not agree with this charge/tax for various reasons, main one being (obviously) having already suffered salary reductions, rising cost (don't even mention the USC charge), but also,

We're already indirectly paying for LA services via income tax, vat etc, and it would be suggested that this impending tax will bridge the gap where LA services are not covered by these taxes.


However, that's the reason we currently pay for various services like refuse collection, education fees (plus school lunches and transport) doctors fees health care fees, extortionate motor tax, crippling fuel tax (which has vat added to that) tolls on the roads also.

This incoming tax has been compared to the rates system in the north, or the council tax system in the UK, but this simply is not true. (all the things outlined above are included with rates/council tax at no extra cost)



http://www.independent.ie/national-news/daniel-mcconnell-next-big-hot-potato-is-property-tax-of-up-to-1000-3175429.html

All this, while our leader's are along the highest paid in Europe, and Edna Kenny actually gets more than Barack Obama, (pretty good for the leader of a bankrupt country)

Simple poll has been added, so let's hear your views.

The results are hidden

westendgirlie

Is this tax for property owners only?

Ghandee

Chucky the tree wrote: »

On average can be very misleading.

Jesus H Christ. :rolleyes:

So even when its 'average Joe' that can be misleading, because then their will be a minority paying less, or the majority paying more?

Expected nothing less from you chucky tbh.

hondasam

The only reason I will not pay the HHC is because they will not say what we will be paying in the future but we all know it will be more than a €100.

woodoo

It prob won't start at €1000 but thats where it will end up in a few short years.

I'd guess when it is introduced it will be an average of about €200 or €300

ilovesleep

On average 1000 per annum,
Is 83.33 a month
Is 20.83 a week.

We have the very bare minimum of bills here
ESB
Oil
Gas
TV license
Bins (we use bin bags, and bonfires)

All these outgoings, although they come about every two months/three months/1 year for the tv license/Fortnight for bins are coming up to 60 a week.

I didn't add in the household tax.
So property tax, an extra 21 euro a week.
Water charges.


Middle income earners with familys IMO are hit the most and hardest. I can't imagine what bills are like for those with a car, insurance (car, house, medical), childcare, school, house improvements and repairs.

Hootanany

Tax on everyone not just property bigger catchment smaller payment. Why should people living social housing not pay.

hondasam

woodoo wrote: »

It prob won't start at €1000 but thats where it will end up in a few short years.

I'd guess when it is introduced it will be an average of about €200 or €300

I think that will be the lowest but some people will pay double that.

woodoo

If it does come in it should be more like the British council tax which includes renters and home owners.

Chucky the tree

Ghandee wrote: »

Jesus H Christ. :rolleyes:

So even when its 'average Joe' that can be misleading, because then their will be a minority paying less, or the majority paying more?

Expected nothing less from you chucky tbh.

Don't get cranky because you can't see the flaw in saying "on average". 10 people go out for dinner, they decided to pay for themselves. 9 people spend €20 on their food, one person spends €100. The average cost of the meal is different to what their meal will actually cost them.

hondasam

This is the argument here it should be for everyone not just home owners. People renting should pay they are using the same services as the rest of us.

ilovesleep

The more money they take out from our pockets, the less we have to spend = more job losses.

There will be tumbleweeds blowing down our streets just yet.

Transfer of wealth taken from the lower/middle class to the upper wealthy class, this will be.