Upcoming Irish property tax to cost 'on average' €1000 per house.(can you afford it?)

phil1nj

alastair wrote: »

And again - they get better services, but they pay more in taxation for them:
http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php/Tax_revenue_statistics

And we just get more taxation for the same/worse services? A situation that is unlikley to change no matter how many extra taxes are introduced because the systems in place are so wasteful in this country.:rolleyes:

alastair

phil1nj wrote: »

Salaries may be in the same ballpark but the cost of living definitely isn't. This is bourne out by advertisements that permeate the airwaves from the UK channels for the various supermarket chains and service providers that operate in the UK mainland and Northern Ireland.

Some things are cheaper in the UK alright (Mobile costs for sure) - but I wouldn't rate supermarkets as much cheaper - and that's based on regular supermarket shopping in Belfast (one of cheapest places to live in the UK). There used to be worthwhile savings to be made by shopping up north, but not for quite a while now (that's ignoring fuel costs - I would be up there regardless).

alastair

phil1nj wrote: »

And we just get more taxation for the same/worse services? A situation that is unlikley to change no matter how many extra taxes are introduced because the systems in place are so wasteful in this country.:rolleyes:

Might as well throw your hands up in the air then.

Don't like waste? - vote for those who commit to sort it out.

westendgirlie

National Insurance contributions go towards the NHS. Council tax goes toward the following;

Schools - you don't pay for books, copies, locker rental :rolleyes:, photocopying, insurance, PE outside of school
Refuse Collection & Street Cleaning
Emergency Services - no fee for calling them out or availing of their services
Parks & Museums
Probably other stuff that I can't think of.

Now is the time for the government to state exactly what services will be provided with this money.

phil1nj

alastair wrote: »

Some things are cheaper in the UK alright (Mobile costs for sure) - but I wouldn't rate supermarkets as much cheaper - and that's based on regular supermarket shopping in Belfast (one of cheapest places to live in the UK). There used to be a saving to be made by shopping up north, but not for quite a while now.

Is that why Tesco provide ROI based profits year in, year out? Or is it why they declare UK and Ireland profits bundled in togther? So that we can't see how badly we are being screwed by the bigger chains? And it's not just food that needs to be considered, medicines, health and beauty products, entertainment goods all need to be factored in. Not to mention utilitity providers, broadband/telecommunications providers, all cheaper in the UK (mainly down to economies of scale) but it still adds up to a much more reduced cost of living figure.

phil1nj

alastair wrote: »

Might as well throw your hands up in the air then.

Don't like waste? - vote for those who commit to sort it out.

People did. They were called FG. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

alastair

phil1nj wrote: »

Is that why Tesco provide ROI based profits year in, year out? Or is it why they declare UK and Ireland profits bundled in togther? So that we can't see how badly we are being screwed by the bigger chains?

Just telling you the reality of a fairly typical supermarket shopper experience. The trolly used to represent a decent saving - for the past couple of years - not really. Sure a pack of paracetamol is a fraction of what it costs here - but equally there's many products are more expensive. Tesco's profits here are not solely down to the price on the shelf - there may well be other reasons why they don't want to reveal where they make their profits.

alastair

phil1nj wrote: »

People did. They were called FG. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

Ah well - you might as well pack up and move elsewhere then - we're clearly doomed. Doomed I tell you!

alastair

westendgirlie wrote: »

Emergency Services - no fee for calling them out or availing of their services.

West Midlands Fire Service, which is facing a £30 million cut in its funding, is bringing in the charges in an attempt to reduce the number of non-emergency call-outs its staff attend.


Anyone dialling 999, and requesting a service for a non life-threatening situation, will be informed that they will be expected to cover the call-out and attendance costs. This will start at £412.80 an hour per appliance or specialist vehicle, including VAT.


The sort of incidents for which the force will be charging include pumping flood water from homes and rescuing livestock and pets.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9261609/Calling-out-fire-brigade-will-now-cost-400-per-hour.html

Services cutbacks are the coming thing in the UK - they're lagging a few years behind on the back of Labour pumping money into the economy, but you can feel the downturn starting to bite there of late.

phil1nj

alastair wrote: »

Just telling you the reality of a fairly typical supermarket shopper experience. The trolly used to represent a decent saving - for the past couple of years - not really. Sure a pack of paracetemol is a fraction of what it costs here - but equally there's many products are more expensive. Tesco's profits here are not solely down to the price on the shelf - there may well be other reasons why they don't want to reveal where they make their profits.

We'll have to agree to disagree about supermarkets/food costs. I've shopped in the north as well on occassion and always saved money but I wasn't doing a full weekly shop so that may account for disparities.

But what about everything else needed to live: insurance costs, broadband/telecommunications costs, clothing prices, electrical goods, etc etc? All cheaper in the UK (online shopping has opened a lot fo peoples eyes over the past decade or so as to how badly we are getting ripped off on the cost of certain items). The net effect of all of these day to day items/services is a much lower cost of living in the UK.

phil1nj

alastair wrote: »

Ah well - you might as well pack up and move elsewhere then - we're clearly doomed. Doomed I tell you!

Tickets booked already (got it off the Thomas Cook website, it was much cheaper than the Irish one:D)

dxhound2005

westendgirlie wrote: »

National Insurance contributions go towards the NHS. Council tax goes toward the following;

Schools - you don't pay for books, copies, locker rental :rolleyes:, photocopying, insurance, PE outside of school
Refuse Collection & Street Cleaning
Emergency Services - no fee for calling them out or availing of their services
Parks & Museums
Probably other stuff that I can't think of.

Now is the time for the government to state exactly what services will be provided with this money.

But in England the Council Tax only raises about 25% of the amount that is needed to fund these services in full (and people would complain for instance that they do not get a weekly refuse collection for their money). The rest comes from a grant from central government which which would be funded mainly from the income tax of the same people who pay the Council Tax. So they are paying "twice" just like us. Here we have a separate charge for refuse collection which they don't have. But they have a separate charge for water which we don't have yet.

tayto lover

alastair wrote: »

Ah well - you might as well pack up and move elsewhere then - we're clearly doomed. Doomed I tell you!

Wondered where you had gotten to.

westendgirlie

alastair wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9261609/Calling-out-fire-brigade-will-now-cost-400-per-hour.html

Services cutbacks are the coming thing in the UK - they're lagging a few years behind on the back of Labour pumping money into the economy, but you can feel the downturn starting to bite there of late.

So they are ensuring that you get value for your council tax money. Sounds about right as neither are emergencies. Flood one you will claim off your insurance and if your cat is stuck up a tree, hire a ladder!

alastair

westendgirlie wrote: »

So they are ensuring that you get value for your council tax money. Sounds about right as neither are emergencies. Flood one you will claim off your insurance and if your cat is stuck up a tree, hire a ladder!

The insurance point can equally be made here. It sounds like you're in favour of fire service call-out charges here?

westendgirlie

dxhound2005 wrote: »

But in England the Council Tax only raises about 25% of the amount that is needed to fund these services in full (and people would complain for instance that they do not get a weekly refuse collection for their money). The rest comes from a grant from central government which which would be funded mainly from the income tax of the same people who pay the Council Tax. So they are paying "twice" just like us. Here we have a separate charge for refuse collection which they don't have. But they have a separate charge for water which we don't have yet.

Won't we be paying threefold?

I have no issue paying it providing it is justified and everyone (owners and renters alike) pay it.

Ghandee

dxhound2005 wrote: »

But in England the Council Tax only raises about 25% of the amount that is needed to fund these services in full (and people would complain for instance that they do not get a weekly refuse collection for their money). The rest comes from a grant from central government which which would be funded mainly from the income tax of the same people who pay the Council Tax. So they are paying "twice" just like us. Here we have a separate charge for refuse collection which they don't have. But they have a separate charge for water which we don't have yet.

That's all very well DX,

however,

They do not get a separate bill for refuse collection
They do not have to pay to see a doctor/hospital appointment
They do not have to pay education fees
They do not have to pay transport costs to get the kids to school
They do not have to pay a call out fee to the emergency services
They do not have VRT

shall I go on?

So, as it stands, and as it will be when this new tax is introduced, Paddy will pay three times, one time more than a UK tax payer (and a Alastair himself said, not receive as good a service)

westendgirlie

alastair wrote: »

The insurance point can equally be made here. It sounds like you're in favour of fire service call-out charges here?

It's all down to what is an actual emergency. If your house is flooded, you could avail of a private company to pump the water out thus leaving the emergency service to deal with emergencies.

I'm not in favour of call out charges but I am in favour of stamping out the people that rip the p1ss out of it.

alastair

Ghandee wrote: »

So, as it stands, and as it will be when this new tax is introduced, Paddy will pay three times, one time more than a UK tax payer (and a Alastair himself said, not receive as good a service)

We'll be paying less, and getting a lesser service. If you're waiting until you get a similar service - be prepared to pay significantly more in taxation than what's been flagged.

If you're paying for refuse collection you're not paying three times - you're paying once for your collection service, and not at all as part of your local authority services.

btw:

Almost a third of councils across England charge to collect garden waste, research by the BBC has found.

Where you live depends on how much you pay with some people paying nearly £70 a year to have a green bin.

Many councils the BBC spoke to said they had introduced charges to raise additional funds after central government budget cuts.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-18580191

Ghandee

alastair wrote: »

We'll be paying less, and getting a lesser service. If you're waiting until you get a similar service - be prepared to pay significantly more in taxation than what's been flagged.

If you're paying for refuse collection you're not paying three times - you're paying once for your collection service, and not at all as part of your local authority services.

btw:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-18580191

Seems good value for money tbh ^^

The highest price paid (for compost, ALL other refuse is free) is

The highest fee found was £69 a year for a green wheelie bin in Kingston upon Thames, in London.

The cheapest being

Boston Borough Council, in Lincolnshire, is planning to introduce a one-off charge of £20 for a bin which can be used to dispose of green waste.

In fairness, I get mine free, but its 'free' with my other two bins, which cost eight euro a lift.

washman3

See that the "YES" vote has gone slightly up on the poll in this thread since last night.
The Blueshirts must have organised another text campaign for their gombeen footsoldiers throughout the day.!!

mikom

Tom Petty.......

As we celebrate mediocrity
All the boys upstairs want to see
How much you'll pay for
What you used to get for free.

Mikom........

Haven't paid the Household charge........ neither have my parents......... neither have the missus's parents.
No intention of doing so in the future either.

Ghandee

alastair wrote: »

If you're paying for refuse collection you're not paying three times - you're paying once for your collection service, and not at all as part of your local authority services.

Ok, so I'll only be paying three times over for everything else (bar refuse collection):cool:

Ah sure that changes everything.

alastair

Ghandee wrote: »

Ok, so I'll only be paying three times over for everything else (bar refuse collection):cool:

What exactly do you believe you'll be 'paying three times' for? Keeping in mind that you're not currently covering the costs of existing services (more so if you're not paying your household charge)?

alastair

mikom wrote: »

Haven't paid the Household charge........ neither have my parents......... neither have the missus's parents.
No intention of doing so in the future either.

Intentions... meet reality.

mikom

alastair wrote: »

Intentions... meet reality.

We miss your jazz talk over on the real household charge thread.........

Fupping Grasshole

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

You and other tax evaders against the rest.

That's pretty much it, isn't it DH.

alastair

mikom wrote: »

We miss your jazz talk over on the real household charge thread.........

I'm sure you'll cope. Remember to save those pennies for the penalty piggybank.

mikom

alastair wrote: »

I'm sure you'll cope. Remember to save those pennies for the penalty piggybank.

I'll spend them on a few pints come next election.

alastair

mikom wrote: »

I'll spend them on a few pints come next election.

Which coalition do you fantasise is going to be elected that oppose property taxation?