Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread II

Amazotheamazing · 03-07-2012 9:43am

ormond lad wrote: »

Dont know much about the sides but below are the 5-6 id look out for. Dillane prob is with connacht but you never know
20s:
Ultan Dillane(Tralee) - 2nd Row
David O’ Connell(Old christians) - 2nd Row
Jamie Kind(Sundays Well) - Openside
Seamus Glynn(PBC) - Wing
anyone of the 3 Outhalfs: Tom Keirsey from Waterpark, Darren Sweetnam from Bandon, Rory Scannell PBC

19s:
adrian enright(abbeyfeale) - full back,
Shane airey(munchins) - outhalf,
Dan Goggin (munchins) - centre
Greg Barry (Crescent) - centre
Cormac O’ Donnell (munchins) - full back
JJ McDonnell (Castletroy College) - centre

youths:
Eoghan Greene (Sundays Well) - prop
Dylan Horgan (Highfield) - outhalf/centre

Will keep an eye out for them. Isn't the 100m sprinter on one of these teams too?

ormond lad · 03-07-2012 11:00am

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Will keep an eye out for them. Isn't the 100m sprinter on one of these teams too?

greg o shea is still underage for u18 schools which hasnt been announced yet

Amazotheamazing · 03-07-2012 11:36am

ormond lad wrote: »

greg o shea is still underage for u18 schools which hasnt been announced yet

Never realised he was so young, will be interesting to see if he's just a really fast guy or a player who happens to be really fast.

Amazotheamazing · 03-07-2012 8:34pm

Howlett Ahead of Schedule
3 July 2012, 3:01 pmBy The Editor
Doug Howlett, who missed most of last season through injury is reported to be ahead of schedule in his rehab and is expected to feature in Munster's pre-season match programme.
Good news too for Dave Foley (shoulder), Damien Varley (ankle), Duncan Williams (hip) and Johne Murphy (ankle) is that all three are expected to take some part in those August games while Niall Ronan (knee) is looking at a return to action towards the end of August or early September.
Paul O'Connell is also reported to be making steady progress with a view to a return to training at the end of the month while Ian Nagle (shoulder), Felix Jones (shoulder) and Troy Smith (knee) are expected to make a return to action towards the end of the autumn.

The squad are into week two of their pre-season under the guidance of Head of Fitness Bryce Cavanagh and coaches Anthony Foley, Ian Costello, Paul McCarthy, Bryce Cavanagh and team manager Niall O'Donovan who officially assumed his new role yesterday.

New head coach Rob Penney is expected in Munster on Saturday week and he will meet up with his new squad on July 16th, and then the internationals report back for duty the following week.

Clareman · 03-07-2012 8:54pm

Has there been any announcement on pre-season games this year?

ormond lad · 03-07-2012 8:57pm

Clareman wrote: »

Has there been any announcement on pre-season games this year?

Bristol aug 17th in musgrave and London Irish aug 24th in musgrave

thomond2006 · 03-07-2012 9:26pm

ormond lad wrote: »

Bristol aug 17th in musgrave and London Irish aug 24th in musgrave

TOL to make an appearance perhaps...

phog · 03-07-2012 9:58pm

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Doug Howlett, Dave Foley (shoulder), Damien Varley (ankle), Duncan Williams (hip) and Johne Murphy (ankle) Niall Ronan (knee) Paul O'Connell, Ian Nagle (shoulder), Felix Jones (shoulder) and Troy Smith (knee)

During the off time and pre-season the injury woes had kind of slipped my mind but that's 10 players that are currently out through injury.

Fireball07 · 03-07-2012 10:00pm

phog wrote: »

During the off time and pre-season the injury woes had kind of slipped my mind but that's 10 players that are currently out through injury.

Has Troy Smith ever not been injured?? It seems any time there's an injury list he's on it...

phog · 03-07-2012 10:11pm

Fireball07 wrote: »

Has Troy Smith ever not been injured?? It seems any time there's an injury list he's on it...

He was out injured last season.

Amazotheamazing · 03-07-2012 11:27pm

Fireball07 wrote: »

Has Troy Smith ever not been injured?? It seems any time there's an injury list he's on it...

Was due back last Feb but our stellar medics managed to leave him needing a second surgery....

Fireball07 · 03-07-2012 11:30pm

So is he actually any good? I've never seen him play at any level I don't think.....

And even if he was good, he's been injured for a long time, could affect his performance.

Hopefully Hircock gets a chance at some stage this season though.

Amazotheamazing · 04-07-2012 12:57am

Fireball07 wrote: »

So is he actually any good? I've never seen him play at any level I don't think.....

And even if he was good, he's been injured for a long time, could affect his performance.

Hopefully Hircock gets a chance at some stage this season though.

They've both been good for A games and development games. Hircock can feel hard done by to not been looked at last season, imo. Hopefully the new coaches will give him a chance.

leftleg · 04-07-2012 10:51am

From watching clips of CJ Stander he looks like an 8; with Coughlan and POM whats the point of Stander?

Don't Munster need props?

What about Paddy Butler? Wasnt he starting to game time at the end of last season;

Why bother getting another 8 when Munster needs an Irish prop??

Quint2010 · 04-07-2012 11:00am

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Never realised he was so young, will be interesting to see if he's just a really fast guy or a player who happens to be really fast.

I would say it's the latter. Saw him score him score a lovely try for irish schools against Scotland in March where he collected a pass, chipped ahead, collected and burned the cover before touching down. Needs to bulk up but looks a player.

profitius · 04-07-2012 11:15am

leftleg wrote: »

From watching clips of CJ Stander he looks like an 8; with Coughlan and POM whats the point of Stander?

Don't Munster need props?

What about Paddy Butler? Wasnt he starting to game time at the end of last season;

Why bother getting another 8 when Munster needs an Irish prop??

Do they need an Irish prop? They have John Ryan, Kilcoyne, Cotter and Condon as well as Archer. They're all unproven and some could turn out to be good scrummagers.

leftleg · 04-07-2012 11:19am

Do they need backrowers though? out and out 7 maybe but an 8; not really? correct me if i'm wrong though

profitius · 04-07-2012 11:25am

leftleg wrote: »

Do they need backrowers though? out and out 7 maybe but an 8; not really? correct me if i'm wrong though

Munster have a squad of 47. They don't really need any players at least before some of the fringe players have been tested. Thats my opinion.

It looks like Holland, Paddy Butler, Barnes, Dineen, Deasy and a few others in the squad might not get many games next season.

irishbucsfan · 04-07-2012 11:26am

Munster just lost leamy and Wallace. They definitely needed Stander.

Amazotheamazing · 04-07-2012 11:27am

Quint2010 wrote: »

I would say it's the latter. Saw him score him score a lovely try for irish schools against Scotland in March where he collected a pass, chipped ahead, collected and burned the cover before touching down. Needs to bulk up but looks a player.

Good to hear, sometimes fast players fall by the wayside because their skills are too poor to compete at the top level, let's hope he can step up because his speed is rare enough in Irish rugby.

Otacon · 04-07-2012 11:28am

leftleg wrote: »

Do they need backrowers though? out and out 7 maybe but an 8; not really? correct me if i'm wrong though

Haven't we signed Dougal for that. Also, Stander seems to be able to play any backrow position. With Leamy and Wallace gone, we did need more there.

Hagz · 04-07-2012 11:38am

leftleg wrote: »

Do they need backrowers though? out and out 7 maybe but an 8; not really? correct me if i'm wrong though

What makes you think he's an 8 though. He hasn't played a game for the Bulls at 8. It's either been at 6 or 7.

leftleg · 04-07-2012 11:55am

Hagz wrote: »

What makes you think he's an 8 though. He hasn't played a game for the Bulls at 8. It's either been at 6 or 7.

Before this year hes played his entire rugby career, the odd game apart at 8 and has played his best games at 8 as well; This season he started playing at 6/7 to accomodate Spies.

According to Murray Kinsella the guys an out and out 8.

http://murraykinsella.wordpress.com/2012/07/03/who-is-cj-stander/

"Stander’s CV and the glimpses I’ve seen in this year’s Super Rugby lead me to believe that he will have an important impact for Munster, most probably at No.8."

Hagz · 04-07-2012 12:06pm

leftleg wrote: »

Before this year hes played his entire rugby career, the odd game apart at 8 and has played his best games at 8 as well; This season he started playing at 6/7 to accomodate Spies.

According to Murray Kinsella the guys an out and out 8.

http://murraykinsella.wordpress.com/2012/07/03/who-is-cj-stander/

"Stander’s CV and the glimpses I’ve seen in this year’s Super Rugby lead me to believe that he will have an important impact for Munster, most probably at No.8."

Doesn't mean he has to be played at 8. If he has been able to start a lot of games for the Bulls at flanker then there's no reason he can't to the same at Munster.

leftleg · 04-07-2012 12:10pm

Hagz wrote: »

Doesn't mean he has to be played at 8. If he has been able to start a lot of games for the Bulls at flanker then there's no reason he can't to the same at Munster.

POM, Germany, Ronan, Dougal, Stander; who else is there in Munster's backrow?

Hagz · 04-07-2012 12:13pm

leftleg wrote: »

POM, Germany, Ronan, Dougal, Stander; who else is there in Munster's backrow?

Germany?
N6: O'Callaghan, O'Mahony, Stander, Ryan
N7: Ronan, O'Mahony, Stander, Dougal, O'Mahony, O'Donnell
N8: Coughlan, O'Mahony, Stander, Butler

totallegend · 04-07-2012 12:25pm

Hagz wrote: »

Germany?
N6: O'Callaghan, O'Mahony, Stander, Ryan
N7: Ronan, O'Mahony, Stander, Dougal, O'Mahony, O'Donnell
N8: Coughlan, O'Mahony, Stander, Butler

I'd say that's a case of damnyouautocorrect.com...

So who would Munster's first choice back-row be if Stander hadn't been signed? POM, Ronan, Coughlan? Sorry, but that is not remotely good enough to get Munster back to the top, so hopefully the younger guys can come through and Stander turns out to be a good signing.

(I know nothing about Dougal, btw)

Otacon · 04-07-2012 12:36pm

totallegend wrote: »

I'd say that's a case of damnyouautocorrect.com...

So who would Munster's first choice back-row be if Stander hadn't been signed? POM, Ronan, Coughlan? Sorry, but that is not remotely good enough to get Munster back to the top, so hopefully the younger guys can come through and Stander turns out to be a good signing.

(I know nothing about Dougal, btw)

We have no idea yet what our best backrow is yet. That is what pre-season can be used for. Anyway, if I remember correctly, we won't be getting Stander until October so we may end up with the backrow you suggested above at first, which did not do too badly at the start of last year.

Hagz · 04-07-2012 12:52pm

I would say
6. Stander
7. O'Mahony
8. Coughlan

Fishooks12 · 04-07-2012 12:55pm

would like to see Butler step up and start pushing Coughlan next year too. I know he's only gone 22 but he'd need to try and make a real push now

As for Ian Nagle it's not **** or get off the pot time, this year will decide if he's destined to fill his potential or not IMO

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