New York Jets Thread

phatkev

Holy crap, ESPN reporting that Brick has retired! I know his play had declined some over the last year or two,but he seemed injury free and was still a very serviceable starter. LT has just become the teams biggest need right now. He is and will always be one of my favorite Jets, a team player in every sense of the word and I wish him nothing but the best for the future.

LuckyLloyd

Players retiring earlier on average than ever in the history of the league it seems. He was solid, great 10 year career. Seems to have made his money and decided it ain't worth it anymore. Shame for the team, but probably an excellent decision for him.

hots

phatkev wrote: »

Holy crap, ESPN reporting that Brick has retired! I know his play had declined some over the last year or two,but he seemed injury free and was still a very serviceable starter. LT has just become the teams biggest need right now. He is and will always be one of my favorite Jets, a team player in every sense of the word and I wish him nothing but the best for the future.

Sad to see him go but the right way for him and the team too... To only miss one snap is insane!

Jolly Red Giant

If Clady can stay healthy then the Jets have an able replacement for a 5th round pick

phatkev

pretty brutal schedule on paper, get a home opener against the Bengals but then 6 of the next 8 games are away from home! We'll know by week 7 if this is a playoff team or not imo. Im going to be in Ohio in October so hopefully I'll be able to jump over to Pennsylvania and catch the away game against the Steelers.

phatkev

The newest Jet ILB Darron Lee.


When I heard his name called last night I didn't hate the pick(altough I do have a queasy feeling about any linebacker from Ohio State, I wonder why!!!), I just didn't really understand the pick. I thought for sure he'd be going to a team that runs 4-3 defense and he'd fill in at olb, but Bowles said in his press conference that he would be an ILB and fill in behind Erin Henderson for the first year. He'll definitely have to improve his technique/strength if he's going to succeed in that position. I reckon Bowles will use him in a similar role to the one Deone Bucannon had when Bowles was in Arizona and if he turns into a similar player I'd be more than happy. Also do we finally have a linebacker that can cover those damn rb wheel routes.

FreeOSCAR

Seems like an OK pick, I know PFF are not high on him at all though, was their 25th ranked LB prospect in 2015.

Let's see how he plays out, he's already an upgrade over Demario Davis. I was hoping we would have gambled on Myles Jack though.

phatkev

I've been a fan of the majority of things Macc and Bowles have done since arriving in Florham Park but I fcuking hate the Hackenberg pick. I wouldn't have minded taken him in the 3rd or 4th, but to take him in the 2nd when theres so much talent left on the board is just madness imo. The one trait to Hackenberg's game is his ability to read a defence and change up plays at the line of scrimmage, something neither Geno or Petty have the ability to do. I hope Hackenberg proves me 100% wrong and is the greatest 2nd round QB ever.

I like the Jordan Jenkins pick, think he'll be used in a similar role to one Mauldin had last year. I love how our LB group is looking right now, Mauldin, Lee and Jenkins look like it could be the long term solution we've being waiting for. Also means we're getting closer to the end of the Calvin Paceosaurus rex era!

With day 1 and 2 in the books now, I still have massive issues with the OL group, would have like to pick up one with the first 3 picks

LuckyLloyd

Hackenberg is a terrible, disgraceful pick - classic Jets nonsense.

No Fitzpatrick, no season imo.

LuckyLloyd

So they've decided to punt the season away with Geno Smith as starter. Seriously ****ing frustrating.

Amerika

Decker and Marshall made Fitzpatrick appear to be a better quarterback than he actually was. Could they not do the same with Smith? I’m no fan of Smith, but if he gets his turnover rate under control, and Forte’s addition helping to balance the passing game and running game, I think the Jets might still be in the run for playoffs this season.

But, by the time training camp starts, I think Fitzpatrick will agree to the Jet’s terms. No other team is willing to pay him what he wants. And if Fitzpatrick’s plan is to wait and see if a quarterback gets injured on some other team, he would never make the money the Jets have offered.

And don’t rule out Hackenberg. I’m a big PSU fan. Hackenberg flourished under O’Brien’s pro-style offense in his freshman year, but wasn’t suited for Franklin’s shotgun spread offense these last two seasons. Given a year, I think Hackenberg will be the Jets quarterback of the future.

I’m more concerned with Wilkerson. He’s not happy with the Franchise Tag and might show up out of shape for the regular season.

thomond2006

If Fitzpatrick doesn't return to the Jets then what teams are his options (as a starter) ?

LuckyLloyd

But at this stage, even if he were to return, they've ****ed him around to such an extent that it will be hard to imagine him performing to the level he did last year. He just came off the two best years of his career at an age where it isn't unheard of for a QB to "get it". I don't see how they couldn't have worked out a three year deal and just paid the man.

This franchise doesn't want to win, bottom line.

LuckyLloyd

thomond2006 wrote: »

If Fitzpatrick doesn't return to the Jets then what teams are his options (as a starter) ?

Nothing at this stage, but he won't be short of a back up job somewhere as camp progresses.

In Exile

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

But at this stage, even if he were to return, they've ****ed him around to such an extent that it will be hard to imagine him performing to the level he did last year. He just came off the two best years of his career at an age where it isn't unheard of for a QB to "get it". I don't see how they couldn't have worked out a three year deal and just paid the man.

This franchise doesn't want to win, bottom line.

What a load of rubbish. You think he signs and says "oh, I'm not happy with how I was treated so I will only give 70%"
He is a journeyman QB who had a terrible end to the season. If he comes in and doesn't perform he will be cut.
Also, why would you give a 3 year contract to a waning QB, for big money, when the stats don't back up how well you think he played?

I wanted Fitz back at the end of the year, under the condition that we didn't overpay.

hots

Sure Fitz /might/ be better this year but really he'd set us back imo. Geno will probably suck but might not, if he sucks then we're rid of him after the season, if he's serviceable then we've got something useful from this season. With our schedule we're not in win now mode so I don't see any point in overpaying for Fitz who might have another ok season left in him.

Wilk on the other hand I want to see sorted but I expect him to go next year too.

nasty_crash

i thought that you would be mad to have Fitzpatrick back this year.... like 13-14 mill is not massive money for a QB - especially if one of the draft picks over the last 2 years was to develop into a franchise qb. Personally i dont think that Geno is gonna be the guy to lead the team and that would make me worried about not resigning Fitz.

I think that the cap was badly handled last year with the massive revis deal - when the likes of mo should have been sorted!

LuckyLloyd

In Exile wrote: »

What a load of rubbish. You think he signs and says "oh, I'm not happy with how I was treated so I will only give 70%"
He is a journeyman QB who had a terrible end to the season. If he comes in and doesn't perform he will be cut.
Also, why would you give a 3 year contract to a waning QB, for big money, when the stats don't back up how well you think he played?

I wanted Fitz back at the end of the year, under the condition that we didn't overpay.

Hmm.

"Terrible end to the season?" His average rating on the year was 88.0. His ratings to close out the season were:

118.9
107.9
108.9
87.4
109.4
42.7

which is to say he performed way above average down the stretch leading us to win five of the last six games.

"Waning QB"? His last two seasons have been the best of his career.

And ultimately, he just led this team to an 11 win season. That's a stat we should all get behind.

You're talking through your hoop sir.

hots wrote: »

Sure Fitz /might/ be better this year but really he'd set us back imo. Geno will probably suck but might not, if he sucks then we're rid of him after the season, if he's serviceable then we've got something useful from this season. With our schedule we're not in win now mode so I don't see any point in overpaying for Fitz who might have another ok season left in him.

Wilk on the other hand I want to see sorted but I expect him to go next year too.

What the **** is "overpaying" in this context and why do fans care about grinding a QB who led us to within a last gasp drop of the playoffs into the dust financially? You've all been playing too much Madden Franchise mode. Geno Smith showed nothing to indicate he could win in this league during his first two years and got beat out the door by Fitz in last year's camp.

And as much as the NFL is a cold hard business, the idea that this type of uncertainty or being cheap with the leader of the team would have no affect on performance over the coming year is ignorant to how humans work. There was a great vibe during last December, a feeling of a roster coming together. And the front office have decided to punt that to pinch pennies?

And you lads are fine with it. Irritating.

phatkev

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Hmm.
"Terrible end to the season?"

I assume the end In Exile is referring to is the Buffalo game, the "win and in" game, the game in which Fitz totally sh1t the bed.

phatkev

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Geno Smith showed nothing to indicate he could win in this league during his first two years and got beat out the door by Fitz in last year's camp.

No he didnt, Bowles had pretty much stated that Geno would be the starter until IK came along and broke his jaw

LuckyLloyd

phatkev wrote: »

I assume the end In Exile is referring to is the Buffalo game, the "win and in" game, the game in which Fitz totally sh1t the bed.

The entire team was poison on the day. And if his receiver holds that pass at the end he is considered the overall hero for getting us in.

Whatever - when we lose 10 games we'll see how you lads feel then.

Amerika

From a fan aspect I despise the last two Jets preseason games. The majority of starters only play a few downs or don’t play at all. You mostly get to see the players compete who are on the chopping block. I always go to the last preseason game when they play in Philadelphia and I’m going again this season. I always wear one of my Jets jerseys to the game, even though Eagles fans are brutal to anyone who wears jerseys of the opposing team. I COA by wearing a Phillies baseball hat as a sort of causality insurance, and our family group consists of several law enforcement officers. Last time I attended the game a member of the Eagles front office came up to our seats (our group consisted on one Jets fan and everyone else Eagles fans) and told me I had a lot of balls showing up in a Jets jersey. He took a picture of me with everyone around me in their Eagles acting like they were ready to kill me… but it was all in good fun. It later showed up on the jumbotron.

Amerika

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

The entire team was poison on the day. And if his receiver holds that pass at the end he is considered the overall hero for getting us in.

Whatever - when we lose 10 games we'll see how you lads feel then.

I predict their record will be 8-6 in the season with two games to go. And how they do against the Patriots and Bills in the last two games will decide if they make the playoffs or not.

LuckyLloyd

Amerika wrote: »

I predict their record will be 8-6 in the season with two games to go. And how they do against the Patriots and Bills in the last two games will decide if they make the playoffs or not.

Not seeing Geno leading us to 8 wins against this schedule tbh.

Amerika

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Not seeing Geno leading us to 8 wins against this schedule tbh.

With Smith at the helm, I see a terrible start, and then about mid season with changes, modifications and tweaks to the squad... they will come around. Here is a prediction I like. But with their history and injury record, the last two games of the season always scare me.

CIN – L
BUF – W
KAN – L
SEA – L
PIT – L
ARI – L
BAL – W
CLE – W
MIA – L
LAR – W
NEP – W
IND - W
SAF – W
MIA – W
NEP - ?
BUF - ?

hots

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

What the **** is "overpaying" in this context and why do fans care about grinding a QB who led us to within a last gasp drop of the playoffs into the dust financially? You've all been playing too much Madden Franchise mode. Geno Smith showed nothing to indicate he could win in this league during his first two years and got beat out the door by Fitz in last year's camp.

And as much as the NFL is a cold hard business, the idea that this type of uncertainty or being cheap with the leader of the team would have no affect on performance over the coming year is ignorant to how humans work. There was a great vibe during last December, a feeling of a roster coming together. And the front office have decided to punt that to pinch pennies?

And you lads are fine with it. Irritating.

Geno was nailed on starter before the IK incident.

They're not pinching pennies or running it like a cold hard business at all, they're choosing not to waste cap space on someone who might improve the team slightly (maybe 6-10 > 8-8 imo) for 1 season in favour of saving said space for other players (hopefully Mo which will secure DL dominance for years to come).

If it was a case of Fitz making us a playoff team this year, maybe you sign him. If Fitz would improve us for the medium-term you'd snap him up. I don't think he'll do either so why waste the space?

LuckyLloyd

Well I disagree. With him we're an 11 win team with a good shot at the playoffs. No QB, no season.

phatkev

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Well I disagree. With him we're an 11 win team with a good shot at the playoffs. No QB, no season.

I think you're really overestimating Fitz. As people have already pointed out, he was bailed out by his receivers time and time again and they had a seriously light schedule only playing 4 teams with a winning record (and 2 of those were the skins and texans, hardly world beaters!) looking at last years tape he continually stared down his WR, rarely advanced past his first read and made several bad decisions! You dont pay a QB with those sort of traits.

I agree with hots that 7 or 8 wins is the max we're looking at this season with either Fitz or Geno leading the team.

CIN – W-home opener on 9/11 against Dalton who has a new OC and will be missing 3 of the targets he had last year
BUF – L-Coin toss, so I'm going with the home team on a short week
KAN – L-Can't see them going to arrowhead and getting a win
SEA – W- Seahawks travel across the country with the weakest o-line in the league, the Jets D win this one
PIT – L-Have always strugggled in pittsburgh, dont see that changing
ARI – L-Jets dont like cross country trips, anonther loss
BAL – L-Ravens get the away win here
CLE – W-New coach, bad quarter back situation equals a jets win
MIA – L-Coin toss again, but the phins will be mch improved for last year and they grab the home win
LAR – W-a west coast time travelling to the east with a rookie QQB, I'll give the Jets the W
NEP – L-Brady and Pats get the win in Metlife
IND - W- the Colts have zero run game and a poor o-line, if the Jets can get a few big hits in on luck early on they'll get the W
SAF – L- Jets dont travel cross country well, last year it was the Raiders this year its the 49er's
MIA – W Jets get the home win
NEP - L After a 4 game stretch without Brady the Pats are playing catch up in are in full swing late in the season
BUF - W Same as the first game between these two its a complete coin toss, so I'll give the win to the home side

Amerika

phatkev wrote: »

I think you're really overestimating Fitz. As people have already pointed out, he was bailed out by his receivers time and time again and they had a seriously light schedule only playing 4 teams with a winning record (and 2 of those were the skins and texans, hardly world beaters!) looking at last years tape he continually stared down his WR, rarely advanced past his first read and made several bad decisions! You dont pay a QB with those sort of traits.

I agree with hots that 7 or 8 wins is the max we're looking at this season with either Fitz or Geno leading the team.

CIN – W-home opener on 9/11 against Dalton who has a new OC and will be missing 3 of the targets he had last year
BUF – L-Coin toss, so I'm going with the home team on a short week
KAN – L-Can't see them going to arrowhead and getting a win
SEA – W- Seahawks travel across the country with the weakest o-line in the league, the Jets D win this one
PIT – L-Have always strugggled in pittsburgh, dont see that changing
ARI – L-Jets dont like cross country trips, anonther loss
BAL – L-Ravens get the away win here
CLE – W-New coach, bad quarter back situation equals a jets win
MIA – L-Coin toss again, but the phins will be mch improved for last year and they grab the home win
LAR – W-a west coast time travelling to the east with a rookie QQB, I'll give the Jets the W
NEP – L-Brady and Pats get the win in Metlife
IND - W- the Colts have zero run game and a poor o-line, if the Jets can get a few big hits in on luck early on they'll get the W
SAF – L- Jets dont travel cross country well, last year it was the Raiders this year its the 49er's
MIA – W Jets get the home win
NEP - L After a 4 game stretch without Brady the Pats are playing catch up in are in full swing late in the season
BUF - W Same as the first game between these two its a complete coin toss, so I'll give the win to the home side

Sound predictions also.

The two I disagree with most are...

Week 2.
The Jets are really pissed at the Bills. It's their old coach and the team that cost them the playoffs in the last game of 2015. They’ll be out for blood and revenge, and their defensive front seven can do it. If the offense doesn’t self-destruct again, I think we’re looking at a win.

Week 14.
Sure it’s a short week and a west coast trip, but who will they face? Kaepernick, Blaine, Gabbert or Goff at QB for the 49ers? All sub-par and ranked right at the bottom with the Jets having Smith as the starter. But the QB rankings doesn't take into consideration the Marshall/Decker factor. Also, Chip Kelly is their new coach and with the Eagles being my most local team I got to watch every game last season. Kelly’s decision process was highly suspect last year. Will he make a miraculous turnaround? Has he found religion and the power in prayer? I don’t think his ego will allow him to change his ways much this season, and will blame a poor showing on him not having the players he wants. That's just who he is. I give a win to the Jets.

phatkev

Fecking delighted
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/754052217624080385

Smart contract by the front office too, pay Mo now, pay Sheldon in 2 years, then pay Leo in 4-5 years when Mo's contract is over