Petrol prices on the UP AGAIN

vicwatson

Anyone tell me why on the 10th feb I paid €1.538 per litre, and today I paid €1.578 in the exact same garage in Wexford (might I add in one of the cheapest ones around), they have all increased.

4 cent a litre dearer in two weeks, on top of all the other increases over the last few months.

I often wonder if the media drives these price increases, the minute there are articles on the radio and tv about the price of petrol it seems to be come acceptable to go and increase the damn price of it.

What justification is there to increase the petrol per litre by 4 cent per litre when oil is at one of it's lowest prices in the last few years?

When will people stop and wake up, when it gets to €2.00 per litre, then we give out for a while, and get used to the benchmark being €2.00 per litre and up it goes again....?

I for one am P*ssed off at these non sensicle increases, and where no one has to justify them to anyone.:mad::mad::mad: People need petrol so is it a case that they'll charge whatever the hell they want for it? I am aware that the Gov take a huge chunk of the price so they better act or......

dar83

Didn't the Israel/Iran thing this week have an impact on Oil prices?

Is that Diesel you got anyway? I've not seen Petrol at that price for a long while...

I filled up last Thursday at 1.60.9/l

dulpit

Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing. I know the price had to go up on January 1st with the whole VAT thing, but there is still a gradual rise on prices, I saw a garage at 1.60 for first time in Cork yesterday... :mad:

Seweryn

dulpit wrote: »

Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing. I know the price had to go up on January 1st with the whole VAT thing, but there is still a gradual rise on prices, I saw a garage at 1.60 for first time in Cork yesterday... :mad:

Same in South East. I wouldn't expect the price to go significantly down ever again. We can forget about 0.899 per litre of juice that we paid 2-3 years ago for ever.
The positive thing is that petrol is still about the cheapest liquid you can get and it does amazing things .

vicwatson

We can forget about 0.899 per litre of juice that we paid 2-3 years ago for ever.

What? 0.899 2-3 years ago??? I doubt it it was that short a time ago?

The positive thing is that petrol is still about the cheapest liquid you can get and it does amazing things .

Milk is definitely cheaper and it also does amazing things

FearDark

Why does the price of petrol never go down. If the price of a barrel of oil was halfed in the morning petrol the price at the pump would be the same.

Max Power1

FearDark wrote: »

Why does the price of petrol never go down. If the price of a barrel of oil was halfed in the morning petrol the price at the pump would be the same.

But if it doubled you can be assured that the price would increase straight away

God, I just hate the feeling of being raped weekly as a motorist, and that there is nothing that we can do (short of moving to somewhere like Saudi)

Guy:Incognito

Leaving aside any outside influences like tax, price of oil etc, a petrol station is a private business. If they want to put the price up to €5 a litre they can.

listermint

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Leaving aside any outside influences like tax, price of oil etc, a petrol station is a private business. If they want to put the price up to €5 a litre they can.

until of course everyone goes to the other guy who is cheaper....

Atlantic Dawn

Within the next 5 years when we start bringing our own oil ashore it will be sickening to be paying full market price for our own oil with a miserable 12.5% taxation on the oil companies profits

Cionád

vicwatson wrote: »

What? 0.899 2-3 years ago??? I doubt it it was that short a time ago?

Yep http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77223990&postcount=218

dulpit

listermint wrote: »

until of course everyone goes to the other guy who is cheaper....

But all the other guys tend to follow suit... Even the locally known "cheap guys" are always only 2 or 3c below the norm... So once one goes up, they all do... :mad:

Cionád

Cionád wrote: »

Yep http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77223990&postcount=218

.... they were unusually low than though ..
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=77233356

Cionád

RoverJames wrote: »

.... they were unusually low than though ..
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=77233356

True, they've been fluctuating quite a bit. High prices are here to stay now though.

shedweller

So, would a 2 litre engine still be classed as "not big"?

shedweller

shedweller wrote: »

So, would a 2 litre engine still be classed as "not big"?

3l is the line in the sand around these parts :rolleyes:

shedweller

RoverJames wrote: »

shedweller wrote: »

So, would a 2 litre engine still be classed as "not big"?

3l is the line in the sand around these parts :rolleyes:

Jaysus! That would make any wage levy pale in comparison!

Max Power1

shedweller wrote: »

So, would a 2 litre engine still be classed as "not big"?

Yes!
Despite the general perception (outside of the motors forum) that anything like a 2.0l will "drink fuel", in world terms its still small.

Steven81

Those of us that are lucky to work get their pay, they look at the gross and then see all the money that comes off for USC and all other taxes. Out of the few pence that remains how much goes on running the car between taxing, insurance, servicing, getting an NCT now annualy and then the big one is the price of petrol. Government gets it all back. I work 21 miles away but would not like to be on a big commute daily, think of all the people that are living in commuter towns driving 1 hour plus just to get to work and then tolls if they have to go that route.

Mr Benevolent

Electric and/or really small engines (<0.7L) are the way forward for low (running) cost motoring.

dar83

Confab wrote: »

Electric and/or really small engines (<0.7L) are the way forward for low (running) cost motoring.

I'd rather pay €2/l than drive anything resembling either of those options.

Or walk.... :P

shedweller

I suppose the thing to look at is what % of your net wage goes on motoring costs. Rising fuel cost is making that slice of the pie chart get bigger and bigger. Some people are either in denial about that or can't do anything about it. Or maybe they are happy enough with it and thats fair enough too. Personally, i'm not too happy about it, despite taking steps to cut costs. The family car still goes through most of a tank per week. If that was a 3 litre petrol engine the fuel bill for that car would more than double.

JustAddWater

funny thing is the airlines aren't complaining this time around...

savagecabbages

I'd say there will eventually be a point where paying for fuel becomes such an expense that we will all be forced to switch to alternate means of propulsion. Its not a matter of if, more when this happens. I just wonder what the alternate means will be...

I wonder how high the prices will get before people stop buying refined petrol from pumps? €5, €8 per litre?
It wont ever run out as people often suggest, just get so expensive to produce that people wont buy it.

@Atlantic Dawn we dont even know if there is much oil & gas out there!! Sofar we only have optimistic speculation and a very low success rate for the actual exploration drilling. I'm sure the govt will increase the tax bands & move goalposts if oil is found offshore...

Bullseye1

Interesting interview on the Pat Kenny show this morning about the fall in traffic using the train and switching to the car. One would think the price rise is being pushed by our government to push us onto their trains.

I get the feeling that the govt in one way see it as a positive thing, in forcing people onto public. They have failed miserably trying to get people on public transport using other methods.

Bullseye1

It's not like public transport is cheap. It's not and it's no where near as flexible as the car especially for self employed.

If you were living in the likes of Naas, Maynooth, Clane, Straffins or Sallins and working in Dublin city on days the train in is quite reasonable and swift, much better than driving in.

Longterm I expect many folk who run cars to commute to work might well opt for cycling or for mopeds/scooters/motorbikes. Until diesel costs €3/litre and 50mpg diesels are no longer common I don't really see the sh1t hitting the fan for the majority of folk.

I also see private bus companies getting market share in getting employees to and from workplaces, like the park and ride systems the likes of UCC operate.

piston

The trouble with public transport is that it's fine if you want to travel from one large town to another - Dublin city centre to Galway city centre or similar. The small towns and villages are really poorly served in most cases.

What needs to be said as well is that I heard s statistic for the UK that 2/3 of car journeys are less than ten miles. I would imagine Ireland isn't much different. There is no logical reason on earth (other than sheer laziness) that someone of average health and fitness couldn't manage to cycle ten miles. I would expect this would drastically reduce congestion, decreasing journey times and fuel consumption for those who are travelling further afield and need to drive.

savagecabbages

Our wonderful climate has a lot to do with it, plus the fact that it is downright dangerous to drive on a lot of rural roads around this country in the dark...

Max Power1

piston wrote: »

The trouble with public transport is that it's fine if you want to travel from one large town to another - Dublin city centre to Galway city centre or similar. The small towns and villages are really poorly served in most cases.

What needs to be said as well is that I heard s statistic for the UK that 2/3 of car journeys are less than ten miles. I would imagine Ireland isn't much different. There is no logical reason on earth (other than sheer laziness) that someone of average health and fitness couldn't manage to cycle ten miles. I would expect this would drastically reduce congestion, decreasing journey times and fuel consumption for those who are travelling further afield and need to drive.

Arriving late to work, sweating, perhaps?:rolleyes:

Darsad

Perhaps its time fuel prices came under the remit of the energy regulator , not that that over staffed inefficient ineffictive office has done much for the consumer in recent years , But a revised model with distinct accountability to the public might have some benefit.

Sobanek

Remember people: When fuel goes up, all the other stuff will go up eventually - delivery costs will become higher...

jpfahy

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Within the next 5 years when we start bringing our own oil ashore it will be sickening to be paying full market price for our own oil with a miserable 12.5% taxation on the oil companies profits

12.5% taxation after all their capital costs incurred over the last 25 years are paid. Oh and if they fail to move profits to their other companies to avoid the Irish taxman.
I doubt we'll see 1%, let alone 12.5.

Sobanek

If you still think you're not being screwed with:

"quoting wikipedia":
Exxon Mobil Corporation
Revenue increase US$ 486.429 billion (2011)[2]
Operating income increase US$ 73.257 billion (2011)[2]
Net income increase US$ 41.060 billion (2011)[2]
Total assets increase US$ 349.000 billion (2011)[2]
Total equity increase US$ 154.396 billion (2011)[2]

Sesshoumaru

I would say with the constant trouble supplier nations seem to be in e.g. Iran, high prices are here to stay for the foreseeable future... maybe even forever? At least right now it is hard to imagine the price of fuel going down.

I used to have a petrol car and diesel car. One for me and one for the wife. We got rid of both those vehicles and got a electric car for the family and my wifes daily commute. Then for me I've got a Piaggio MP3 and a Ducati Monster for my everyday commuting needs. I'm not immune to petrol prices, the Ducati costs about 35 euro a week for 250km of commuting and the Piaggio MP3 about 16 euro. But I have reduced my exposure considerably.

Buying an EV is expensive I'll admit, but I'd love to see more people consider a motorcycle or scooter for their commuting needs. Something like this can can driven on a car license and has decent power and acceleration.. probably better than most cars on the road in this country:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZqh3mKHvZk

vicwatson

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Leaving aside any outside influences like tax, price of oil etc, a petrol station is a private business. If they want to put the price up to €5 a litre they can.

Yes but you'd like to think that Cartels aren't operating and that competition might keep the prices down in this scenario. Cartels wouldn't be operating in this country, would they:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Galwayguy35

I saw diesel in one station at 1.58 a litre today, the cheapest fill was 1.53

Jimdagym

Despite the fuel price soaring, even simple things like car-pooling isn't being done. Just about every car I see has 1 person in it. I have a 20 mile each way spin to work and fortunately I can car pool with another fella. Drive every second day. Automatic 50% reduction in fuel costs for traveling to and from work.

Matt Simis

dar83 wrote: »

I'd rather pay €2/l than drive anything resembling either of those options.

Or walk.... :P

LPG driver dropping in, mentioning current prices of 69c to "dear" 89c options, commuting home in a V8 later. :cool:

I saw a Dodge Ram V8 with a 260litre LPG in it, filled to the brim. Cost could be as low as EUR143 (given 80% max allowed fill and 69c fuel) to drive a 20 L/100km (14mpg) Vehicle over 1000km, in an awesomely inefficient V8.. imagine what a more normal 28mpg V8 gets!

Sobanek

Matt Simis wrote: »

LPG driver dropping in, mentioning current prices of 69c to "dear" 89c options, commuting home in a V8 later. :cool:

I saw a Dodge Ram V8 with a 260litre LPG in it, filled to the brim. Cost could be as low as EUR143 (given 80% max allowed fill and 69c fuel) to drive a 20 L/100km (14mpg) Vehicle over 1000km, in an awesomely inefficient V8.. imagine what a more normal 28mpg V8 gets!

If only insurance and money would let me do it, I'd drive an E39 540i right now.

dgt

Pity the kits are so expensive!

Yep, another píssed off motorist here. Its gone up 4 cents in a week. FML :mad::mad::mad:

Sobanek

I just came back home and in Newbridge, it just fell down. Petrol from 1.59 to 1.58 and Diesel to 1.50.

Seweryn

savagecabbages wrote: »

Our wonderful climate has a lot to do with it

Not much to be honest. There is not such thing as bad weather, only bad clothing, believe me . We have no heavy winters or icy roads during winter months, which helps a lot.

savagecabbages wrote: »

plus the fact that it is downright dangerous to drive on a lot of rural roads around this country in the dark...

A good set of lights sorts this problem quite well.

Max Power1 wrote: »

Arriving late to work

Should you not leave earlier if it takes you longer to get to the place .

Max Power1 wrote: »

sweating, perhaps?:rolleyes:

That is good for you actually .

Seweryn

Matt Simis wrote: »

LPG driver dropping in, mentioning current prices of 69c to "dear" 89c options, commuting home in a V8 later. :cool:

I saw a Dodge Ram V8 with a 260litre LPG in it, filled to the brim. Cost could be as low as EUR143 (given 80% max allowed fill and 69c fuel) to drive a 20 L/100km (14mpg) Vehicle over 1000km, in an awesomely inefficient V8.. imagine what a more normal 28mpg V8 gets!

I have a hope that LPG will get some popularity in this part of the globe finally .
It is cleaner to burn, cheaper and makes more sens for the environment.

DubDani

vicwatson wrote: »

What? 0.899 2-3 years ago??? I doubt it it was that short a time ago?

Just checked my records (keeping tab on all car related expenses), and on the 25th of March 2009 I paid 0.889 for a Litre of Diesel at Tesco. That's the lowest it has been since I got my current car in November 2008.

Seweryn

DubDani wrote: »

Just checked my records (keeping tab on all car related expenses), and on the 25th of March 2009 I paid 0.889 for a Litre of Diesel at Tesco. That's the (for me) the lowest it has been since I got my current car.

Similar here, paid 0.889 on 5th March 2009, but on 25th March 2009 it was 0.909 in my station .

Mister Jingles

Old news I suppose but anyway : http://www.joe.ie/news-politics/current-affairs/despite-petrol-prices-rising-there-will-be-no-tax-cuts-says-leo-varadkar-0021331-1



If When it does reach €2 your going to see the like of Driving lessons going up, take aways raising there delivery prices and probably courier services too.

Dartz

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Interesting interview on the Pat Kenny show this morning about the fall in traffic using the train and switching to the car. One would think the price rise is being pushed by our government to push us onto their trains.

Dunno. Force the public onto the roads, where they'll be forced to pay through the nose in tax.

How else do the wealthy stay wealthy in a crisis like this?

Del2005

piston wrote: »

The trouble with public transport is that it's fine if you want to travel from one large town to another - Dublin city centre to Galway city centre or similar. The small towns and villages are really poorly served in most cases.
.

The problem is our love of one off housing has made public transport in rural areas uneconomic. You need largish amounts of people living relativity close together for public transport viable

Darsad wrote: »

Perhaps its time fuel prices came under the remit of the energy regulator , not that that over staffed inefficient ineffective office has done much for the consumer in recent years , But a revised model with distinct accountability to the public might have some benefit.

This is the energy regulator who increased our electricity prices from the lowest in the EU to amongst the highest to allow competition into the market. Personally I was happy with a cheap monopoly.

Seweryn wrote: »

I have a hope that LPG will get some popularity in this part of the globe finally .
It is cleaner to burn, cheaper and makes more sens for the environment.

Only if it's not taxed highly. Guess how it's taxed here?

Seweryn

Del2005 wrote: »

Only if it's not taxed highly. Guess how it's taxed here?

I guess LPG is taxed higher here than anywhere in Europe, but at the moment it is an attractive alternative. I also guess than (unlike in other European countries), if we start using LPG more, it will get taxed badly. Same thing happened to biofuels. But I wish I am wrong and our government will not hammer more tax on LPG .