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Jjameson

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Do it if you like but 350-400 gross margin after a winter and having them 8-10 months is a mugs game. You barely be covering costs

1200- 650 is €550 gross?

Bass Reeves

Jjameson wrote: »

1200- 650 is €550 gross?

sorr I taught it was the 800-850 euro friesians you were on about.

richie123

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

I dont know. Hard to buy cattle to match that price. Someones or a lot of peoples crystal balls are banjaxed.

Or there just getting a lot more per kilo than the average farmer.

richie123

Panch18 wrote: »

Where exactly have you seen this??

Any cattle I've bought vat is added to ring price 4.8%...now I could be wrong!!

dryan

3.60 base for steers here this morning - midlands.
Let a few off at that.
Fought it out with the agent on the phone last night but not a cent more to be got.

Duke92

Jjameson wrote: »

1200- 650 is €550 gross?

Some beef farmers not great a maths

Bass Reeves

Duke92 wrote: »

Some beef farmers not great a maths

I be good enough at the maths. I always work of cost getting an animal inside the gate. 1200-650 is 550 less mart fees and transport leaves a margin of 530. It a small bit on the tight side for me.

wrangler

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I be good enough at the mats. I always work of cost getting an animal inside the gate. 1200-650 is 550 less mart fees and transport leaves a margin of 530. It a small bit on the tight side for me.

not so good at spelling

Bass Reeves

wrangler wrote: »

not so good at spelling

Corrected that happy now.

cute geoge

Bass Reeves wrote: »

as I say mugs

Will you buy no cattle so because it looks like stores are not going to drop in price then again they might be back 100 next week
Talking to a retired cattle man whos son took over and he would not buy cattle because they were too dear this year ,the retired man wondered sure if you do not buy anything how the hell can you make anything because selling silage will not break even !!

richie123

cute geoge wrote: »

Will you buy no cattle so because it looks like stores are not going to drop in price then again they might be back 100 next week
Talking to a retired cattle man whos son took over and he would not buy cattle because they were too dear this year ,the retired man wondered sure if you do not buy anything how the hell can you make anything because selling silage will not break even !!

True an be hard sold is well...most farmers have plenty of it

Bass Reeves

cute geoge wrote: »

Will you buy no cattle so because it looks like stores are not going to drop in price then again they might be back 100 next week
Talking to a retired cattle man whos son took over and he would not buy cattle because they were too dear this year ,the retired man wondered sure if you do not buy anything how the hell can you make anything because selling silage will not break even !!

I buy less and buy out of spec cattle. With Friesians if they get dear margin can dissappear very fasy.

Cavanjack

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I buy less and buy out of spec cattle. With Friesians if they get dear margin can dissappear very fasy.

Have bought a few stores myself That will be out of spec when killing this time next year. Only sort of yolks I saw any value in so far

Bass Reeves

Cavanjack wrote: »

Have bought a few stores myself That will be out of spec when killing this time next year. Only sort of yolks I saw any value in so far

Easier to get a 550 euro Friesian to 1150 it virtually impossible to get a 800 euro Friesian to 1400 euro

Jjameson

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I buy less and buy out of spec cattle. With Friesians if they get dear margin can dissappear very fasy.

Friesians now have more variation within them than any other breed. Cattle coming in + - store price can leave a variation of + - 300 on weight gain/ ko alone.
It’s very easy buy these type cattle too dear and the fear of giving a little more for the better one often leaves them great value.
And it’s not square old fashioned bf cattle I’m talking about as they don’t stretch fast or big as good square big friesian such as kk mart is renowned.

Bass Reeves

Jjameson wrote: »

Friesians now have more variation within them than any other breed. Cattle coming in + - store price can leave a variation of + - 300 on weight gain/ ko alone.
It’s very easy buy these type cattle too dear and the fear of giving a little more for the better one often leaves them great value.
And it’s not square old fashioned bf cattle I’m talking about as they don’t stretch fast or big as good square big friesian such as kk mart is renowned.

I perfer to buy hungry empty Kerry Friesians. Bought a few lately 330 kgd 500 and 370kgs, 560 euro inside the farm gate for that.

Cavanjack

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I perfer to buy hungry empty Kerry Friesians. Bought a few lately 330 kgd 500 and 370kgs, 560 euro inside the farm gate for that.

Will you get them killed before next winter or will it be the following year?

Jjameson

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I perfer to buy hungry empty Kerry Friesians. Bought a few lately 330 kgd 500 and 370kgs, 560 euro inside the farm gate for that.

I’m not really familiar with cattle from that neck of the woods.
I killed a load and a half of 3 year+ lads this spring at a flat price. They were bought over 2 weeks autumn 18 +- 20kg and +- €60. There was 250€ between the best and worst. Purely weight gain and kill out percentage.

Bass Reeves

Cavanjack wrote: »

Will you get them killed before next winter or will it be the following year?

Hopefully the majority will be hanging before next winter.

T0001

Fight hard for the prices. Deals to be got out there.

Managed to get €3.62 last week in Liffey for bullocks, with 10c/kg bonus for Angus. Had 4 over 400kgs (up to 427kg) and wasn't cut. And had a red hereford grade U- (somehow, I'm still in shock on this one).

Cavanjack

T0001 wrote: »

Fight hard for the prices. Deals to be got out there.

Managed to get €3.62 last week in Liffey for bullocks, with 10c/kg bonus for Angus. Had 4 over 400kgs (up to 427kg) and wasn't cut. And had a red hereford grade U- (somehow, I'm still in shock on this one).

Killed bullocks last week over 450kg. No mention of cuts.
Maybe with less bulls in the system now there are fewer heavy carcasses and it’s less of an issue.

Anto_Meath

Grading has improved alright, send a load of FR last week, 12 O's & 3 P's, 12 months ago it would have been the other way around with the same cattle, plus the 20 cent bonus makes a nice top up.

gerryirl

Anto_Meath wrote: »

Grading has improved alright, send a load of FR last week, 12 O's & 3 P's, 12 months ago it would have been the other way around with the same cattle, plus the 20 cent bonus makes a nice top up.

do you get the bonus on O and Ps

jntsnk

Anto_Meath wrote: »

Grading has improved alright, send a load of FR last week, 12 O's & 3 P's, 12 months ago it would have been the other way around with the same cattle, plus the 20 cent bonus makes a nice top up.

Cattle have thrived this year at a fantastic rate. Never had cattle so heavy for slaughter. It’s the year it is. Plenty grass and very good temperatures.

Bass Reeves

gerryirl wrote: »

do you get the bonus on O and Ps

No bonus on P grade cattle. You get a 12c/kg bonus on O- cattle. O= and O+ receive the normal 20c bonus. However you lose 6c/kg on the base for 2+ for O grade cattle. As well cattle grading FS4= on O= or lower grading cattle get hit with a 6c loss on the base as well. Everything hits the returns of these cattle.

Anto_Meath

Yes, I ment the 20 cent on the ones that graded O= or better which 10 of 12 that graded O's were and they were all 3 and 4 for fat two of the P's were 4 as well.. there was no cut for the 4 fats... in fairness it has been a good year for cattle to thrive.. but I still think factories aren't as hard on the grades as they were for the last few years, maybe they are giving us a few crumbs after all the crap that went on last year.

Water John

A lot of it may be about holding down the base quoted price.

mr.stonewall

Water John wrote: »

A lot of it may be about holding down the base quoted price.

The way I'm looking at base prices is take 10c of it to compare it to last year. Friesians are being hit hard with the new QA bonus yet if they come of a QA farm they end up with a QA stamp on the pack of mince

Danzy

Big change in grades this year as opposed to last few years.

Danzy

mr.stonewall wrote: »

The way I'm looking at base prices is take 10c of it to compare it to last year. Friesians are being hit hard with the new QA bonus yet if they come of a QA farm they end up with a QA stamp on the pack of mince

There is nothing in the factories record to make me certain that the grades are to be trusted, that cuts from one are not labelled or boxed as another.