Time limit for dole?

Toby Take a Bow

hondasam wrote: »

My point is I could get a job paying the same as the dole would pay me.

And my point is you can't possibly know that, as you don't seem to have a realistic grasp on what's going on outside your window. You've read a good few replies saying that people who have years of experience in a particular area of work can't get jobs in those areas, as it's not the 'right' experience. How difficult, then, do you think it will be to try and get a job in an area that you have no experience in?

I'll give you a clue: very difficult.

Kirby

Sierra 117 wrote: »

We should give the politicians an end time for them to have created jobs by and if they don't meet that deadline, we cut their pay.

This is the best idea I've heard in ages. Lets see how quick they would be then with their "initiatives"

LighterGuy

'Time limit for dole' huh?



I read the first page. Cant bring myself to read the rest. Every up-their-own-arse typical boards poster spouting crap no doubt.... "good plan ya" etc.

wilkie2006

hondasam wrote: »

It is time social welfare fraud was stopped, anyone signing on for more than six months should have to explain themselves.
I would go as far as to say after six months on the dole payments should be reduced.

In fairness, while the recession is affecting everyone, it's the working class who are being hit longest and hardest. Reducing the dole after 6 months just punishes poorer people for not having qualifications they can emigrate with.

Benefit fraud, while an undeniable problem, is not the biggest one; tax evasion is. Recent figures from the UK show that last year the country suffered £1b benefit fraud but £70b tax evasion.

nice_very

how about the 5% who were on the dole in the "boom time", how many of them are still on it??

now we are at 14% approx. Id say that 10% increase in 4/5 years is about right..

I personally am almost at 1 year and I am trying to get any kind of job, for these reasons:

1: more money to enjoy my life a bit more
2: not be a "burden" on the state
3: I'm bored
4: I feel all my experience and years are being ignored

in no particular order... and I doubt if I am the only one of the 450,000 presently on the dole, that feels this way.

Jesus Wept

Sierra 117 wrote: »

We should give the politicians an end time for them to have created jobs by and if they don't meet that deadline, we cut their pay.

Stop encouraging them to create jobs, they are sh1t at it.

zenno

hondasam wrote: »

I am aware of how tough it is out there. I'm not saying everyone is committing fraud.
It's easy to go to the meeting and produce a few letters or emails and say Yes I tried to get a job but was not successful.
I feel six months is enough time to get a job paying the same as the dole.

you're living on planet cuckoo land with that half-arsed comment imo. one of these day's you're time will come and you will have no choice to go on the dole and then we will see how you manage.

Oranage2

nice_very wrote: »

how about the 5% who were on the dole in the "boom time", how many of them are still on it??


1: more money to enjoy my life a bit more
2: not be a "burden" on the state
3: I'm bored
4: I feel all my experience and years are being ignored.

I work and the only difference is the state is a 'burden' on me.

Richard Hillman

as somebody who was on the dole for a long time and still technically am. i can testament to say that my experience of the monthly sign on leads me to believe that its probably a ratio of 50:50 of people on the dole that have or don't have any interest in working. The smell of booze down there is unreal.

Hank Scorpio

Country really is in ****e

nice_very

Oranage2 wrote: »

I work and the only difference is the state is a 'burden' on me.

touche Orange, touche.. I see where u coming from though.. can you understand my/our frustration though..? I would love a job, any job that lets me go out an odd night, maybe I have less outgoings than you, still I am trying to my bit for me and my country.. stay well, we are all in this mess together

Paddy Cow

This is a really dumb idea right now. People are pushed to breaking point and there simply aren't enough jobs out there. It's nothing more than a pathetic attempt to deflect attention away from their own ineptitude. Blame the dole scroungers for bleeding the economy dry :rolleyes: I wonder will they be foregoing their two pensions or cutting back on their expenses? How long before another financial instution needs bailing out?

There will always be a small minority of people who are too lazy to work. This does not apply to the vast amount of people on the dole. Instead of them wasting large amounts of money trying to force the few scroungers into work, why don't they use what little resources we have into creating jobs for the people who genuinely want to work? Which is going to be better for the economy in the long run - investing money in those who will be productive members of society or throwing money down the drain after wasters?

I'm not saying that people should be left to spend their whole lives drawing social welfare, just that now is not the time to be wasting money pretending to sort it out. This is nothing more than a scaremongering tactic to make it look like they are doing something. Yes they might save a little bit of money by cutting back on some people's benefits but is it really worth the effort right now when those resources could go to better use? For every €20 they might save from a scrounger, they would earn a lot more in taxes and money spent in the economy if they found a job for a person willing to work. They don't give a sh!te though. "We're getting tough on scroungers who spend your hard earned taxpayers money" sounds a lot better than "We haven't got a fcuking clue what we are doing and to be honest, we don't care. We just want to be seen to do enough until we can claim our pensions and let the next bunch of legit scroungers take over. Screw you all suckers!".

Caveman1

I'm on the dole over a year now, when I first got laid off the sitting around all day killed me so I would go into town and hand out cvs and go online looking for jobs, after a month or so I got fed up with not getting call backs or going for interviews with 40-50 other people there for the 4-5 jobs on offer, it's very frustrating, not to mention it knocks your confidence. I decided to go to the social welfare to see If I could do a course, they put me on a 6 month full time course, I actually enjoyed it but got nowhere by doing it, I was told that we would be doin work placement which didn't happen, we were also told that Fas who ran the course would stay in touch for 2+ years to help look for jobs and arrange for interviews, not once since I've finished have I been contacted by anyone, it was basically a waste of time, now I find myself back to square one looking for work again, if I had the money I would be gone to Australia this country just seems to be never ending with the bad news, I'm lucky in a way that if my dole was cut it wouldn't cripple me but I have contributed enough money to it over the years to feel I deserve my full payment without somebody deciding to cut it because the very small minority don't want to work

Toby Take a Bow

Oranage2 wrote: »

I work and the only difference is the state is a 'burden' on me.

Not the case. Even if you're not drawing on the state (too much) right now, you'll just be paying back for everything you've drawn on in the past (and making payments for all the future draining you'll cause the state in the next 30/40 years).

_feedback_

This says a lot about the type of people that are showing up for interviews at the moment.

Social welfare office bans pyjamas for interviews

A social welfare office in Dublin has erected a sign on its window warning claimants that pyjamas are not appropriate clothing to wear for those attending for interview.

Staff at the Damastown social welfare office said this type of attire will no longer be tolerated.

It is believed the decision was made to ban pyjamas after a number of complaints were made from customers.

Link

fryup

Lisa2011 wrote: »

Are you one of these people who think the unemployed shoud take any type of job and are too lazy to work?

Do you really think people want to be on the dole?

well some of them do yes,

some people are quietly content on the dole living the easy life

MagicSean

It should really be on a sliding scale. Every year after the first it goes down 10%. And backdate it too so that the people it hits are the spongers who never even tried to get off it.

inforfun

Should all have been done during the boom years.
Less people would have had objected to it and it would have caused less "innocent" victims.

In stead they raised the dole with double digit percentages during those years.

later12

Well I hate to admit this, but it's not altogether a bad idea.

There is nothing inherently wrong with giving jobseekers a reasonable amount of time in which to find employment before asking them to give an explanation for remaining on unemployment support.

So long as the Department of Social Protection allows a fair and accessible appeals process, I really don't see any problem at all with this perfectly reasonable labour activation measure.

Lisa2011

Telling people to take what jobs they can get is all good but employers wont offer someone who worked in a bank a job working in a shop.People are losing jobs every day of the week because businesses are genuinely struggling and others are not satisfied that their profits are down so they shut up shop.

Does anyone think this is the right thing to do when the secretary general to the dept of health is retiring at 56 getting 430k lump sum and 103k a year in a pension.The government have to say money and they are targeting people who cant get a job.Thats not fair.

I dont see anything with this plan but its the wrong time to do it. You dont it during a recession and certainly when there is not enough to go around.

Target all the foreign nationals and the irish who are committing welfare fraud and refuse to consider claims for people who have just left second level education

Have they forgotten that if they were to get everyone off the dole there would be no point in having welfare offices and then there would be a surplus of staff.

_feedback_

Lisa2011 wrote: »

Target all the foreign nationals and the irish who are committing welfare fraud

Is that not exactly what this measure seems to be about?!

theg81der

later10 wrote: »

Well I hate to admit this, but it's not altogether a bad idea.

There is nothing inherently wrong with giving jobseekers a reasonable amount of time in which to find employment before asking them to give an explanation for remaining on unemployment support.

So long as the Department of Social Protection allows a fair and accessible appeals process, I really don't see any problem at all with this perfectly reasonable labour activation measure.

Agh but its not really like this thou. I`ve seen lots of people who actually weren`t entitled by the rules to claim but were granted their claims and likewise I`ve personally been targeted in the wrong - actually because of their mistake, they lost documents and failed to take note of giving me permition so thats now on my file!

Lisa2011

fryup wrote: »

well some of them do yes,

some people are quietly content on the dole living the easy life

I know there are people out there who have not even worked one day in their life but what about people who worked hard for the highlest level of education i.e. masters and worked for a long time paying taxes and cant get work in ireland or outside the country.

Its a known fact that unless the problems this country faces is sorted and people are given a chance by employers nothing is going to change and you will continue to have mass immigration for those who can afford to go and a hugh increase in people taking their own lives because they have no money and cant get work.

If dole payments were stopped for everyone after a certain time period what would that do to the economy. people would not be able to buy food and pay bills. they would starve or freeze to death living in cold homes.

How are people expected to pay all the charges if they cant get work.

I bet there isn't even 10,000 jobs being advertised at the moment and how can 500,000 get jobs.

Lisa2011

later10 wrote: »

Well I hate to admit this, but it's not altogether a bad idea.

There is nothing inherently wrong with giving jobseekers a reasonable amount of time in which to find employment before asking them to give an explanation for remaining on unemployment support.

So long as the Department of Social Protection allows a fair and accessible appeals process, I really don't see any problem at all with this perfectly reasonable labour activation measure.

How is that a labour activation measure. Its not going to create jobs. I bet after the time limit is up and even if you have applied for 20 or 30 jobs thats to say if there is that amount to match your experience and so on they will still probably cut your money and there will be a time where alot of people wont have no money at all.

From everything I have heard there are people who have lost savings by paying their mortgage and all they have left is the dole and as such they cant afford to even more because they cant afford to pay rent.

I am sure that alot of people on this board know of people who would be affected by this. I certainly do. Men with a wife and kids will get off the dole if he earns enough to be able to feed his family.

I know someone who was expected to job share in two offices that were at least 2 hours away from each other by car and all she was being offered was 165 euro a week and she had would have to pay for petrol and accomodation herself when she would have to travel to the other office. How can that be done on 165 euro a week. Also how could she pay her mortgage out of that and pay her other bills.

Nothingbetter2d

Seomra Mushie wrote: »

We've only been going out five months, so bit soon I think!

Problem is, I was ill which was why I had to leave my last job, so it's more illness benefit than dole (same amount though). That complicates things. And I just want to be off SW at this stage. :-/

The hostel is an idea! Hmmm, you got me thinking!

bare in mind when i applied for rent allowance it took 7 months to get processed and that also requires you to be 6 months in rented accomadation BEFORE you even apply for the rent allowance.... prepare for a tough year ahead of you.

stovelid

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I certainly agree there should be a time limit for collecting dole. I was out of work for 6 months, actively looking for a job and unable to get it because I live at home. Yet there are those who have been on it for months and years on end and not even attempting to find work.

Obviously it would need to be regulated and I don't honestly think anyone is saying EVERYONE should be subject to it. But if you simply not bothering to try to get work, then I have to problem with your payment being cut or stopped if necessary.

The problem with it being incumbent on you to find work within a specific time frame is that you will be pushed on to exploitative 'schemes'.

As you bum off your parents, such a low wage for a week's work wouldn't be an issue but it may present problems for people who have actual financial responsibilities.

Mrs Shuttleworth

elviscostello wrote: »

Of course it's good in theory, but they continue to allow it to be abused.. How can they get the dole numbers down if low paid/skilled jobs are being eliminated.

Have a look at the Law Society employment list.

http://www.lawsociety.ie/Pages/Legal_Vacancies/?p=1

The amount of "internships" for both solicitors and secretaries is staggering, including working in the Law Society itself!!

Flush the guts of 15,000 Euro down the shore over five years after college, then when you actually DO qualify (even though you've done an in-house paid traineeship that must comply with minimum wage) you're considered of no use even by your own regulatory body and should work the guts of 16 hours a day for free.

This is a Monty Python step too far. I hope all of the industries doing this fall entirely on their ass.

david75

I know this wont be popular but i've got skills and experience and i cant even get a minimum wage job and have been trying hard for months now, and i'd be happy to do a minimum wage job, even though as it stands, i'm better off not working, so how about the government makes it so that Irish people have to be offered the jobs first before any non nationals. That'd shake it all up big time.

bordsie

heres an idea, give them say...3 months. If they don't get a job in that time they obviously don't want to work, so you could put them in prison

Logical Fallacy

bordsie wrote: »

heres an idea, give them say...3 months. If they don't get a job in that time they obviously don't want to work, so you could put them in prison

It would be cheaper to leave them on the dole than cover the cost of imprisonment.

Good critical thinking though. Shows initiative, if a certain lack of understanding.