Time limit for dole?

mattjack

fianna saor wrote: »

tbh it would be pointless me even trying to put a figure on it, i just think its a lot higher than most peoples assumption

You know what... I read your post completely wrong.....

I tip my hat to you sir.

SHOVELLER

Obviously now is not the time to impose time limits for unemployment payments. But when we technically had full employment a few years ago we still had more than 100,000 claiming. That is a disgrace. There was literally jobs for everyone back then so I have little sympathy there.

Fraud, sadly, is endemic in social welfare. As an example I would say half of the taxi drivers are out there working and claiming.

The whole system is rotten to the core and will never be repaired.

The U.S. model is the one we should aspire to.

Fussy Eater

fianna saor wrote: »

i was waiting on a reply from fussy eater who must think all foreign nationals in this country are european

Pfft. I've lived in a few countries and Ireland is easily the most homogenized of them. Want to just send the darkies home then do you?

Odysseus

kaza2710 wrote: »

I wouldnt call it punishment. If someone is on the dole and they have no desire to be I am sure they would have no objection to working a few hours and 'earning their keep'. It is the minortiy of people who abuse the system who would have some problem with working for their dole.

Right so, say they are cleaning up estates, roads, etc, who is going to pay for the PPE they would need, safety boots, hi-Vis gear and of course there would have to be someone to supervise them.

Smidge

SHOVELLER wrote: »

Obviously now is not the time to impose time limits for unemployment payments. But when we technically had full employment a few years ago we still had more than 100,000 claiming. That is a disgrace. There was literally jobs for everyone back then so I have little sympathy there.

Fraud, sadly, is endemic in social welfare. As an example I would say half of the taxi drivers are out there working and claiming.

The whole system is rotten to the core and will never be repaired.

The U.S. model is the one we should aspire to.[/QUOTE]

I agree.
We should also adopt their healthcare system which seems great
Oh wait.....................

Yamanoto

hondasam wrote: »

anyone signing on for more than six months should have to explain themselves.

Ditto anyone posting 27,990 times over a 2 year period.

SHOVELLER

SHOVELLER wrote: »

The U.S. model is the one we should aspire to.

Doesn't the U.S. have serious problems with poverty and homelessness???


To be honest, I don't see who's going to benefit from cutting the dole over time. Those who genuinely need it will suffer and those who are getting it wrongfully will still be getting it wrongfully.

I'd prefer if people on the dole were spot-checked by an investigator as frequently as possible. Even just the money we'd gain by being able to rule out the majority of people claiming from abroad, claiming under other people's names, people lying about where they live or doing illegal work would be enough to make a substantial difference to the state of things, and it would probably pay for itself.

TwoShedsJackson

fianna saor wrote: »

why do people assume its only a small percentage that are fraudulent dole recipients, obviously there are no figures to prove either way but i would hazard an educated guess that the percentage is a lot higher than a lot of people think

Your guess isn't educated at all, you're just guessing. I guess it's less than you think, so where does that get us?

Ms Tootsie

Interesting article on how the Uk government is planning to tackle the dole problem.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2157253/Two-strikes-youre-Jobseekers-fail-turn-interviews-drop-work-programmes-forced-carry-unpaid-work.html

Just wondering if people think something similar would work here?

micropig

kaza2710 wrote: »

Interesting article on how the Uk government is planning to tackle the dole problem.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2157253/Two-strikes-youre-Jobseekers-fail-turn-interviews-drop-work-programmes-forced-carry-unpaid-work.html

Just wondering if people think something similar would work here?

Sounds good what they are planning and a similar system should be brought in here too, although I can't believe it's not here already.


Too many people using the excuse of there's no jobs to sit on their ar2e all day, contributing neither time or money to the economy, while being entitled to their dole. It would really weed out those who do want to work, but are having difficultly finding employment and those who see it as a lifestyle.

fianna saor

Fussy Eater wrote: »

Pfft. I've lived in a few countries and Ireland is easily the most homogenized of them. Want to just send the darkies home then do you?

lets start with the illegal ones shall we