Time limit for dole?

Annabella1

People on the dole during the so-called boom years should be made explain themselves. That's it

Agree+ Read today that up to 1/3 of FAS interviewees dont turn up which indicates they are either working or bone idle.
Delighted this is being brought in by the Troika which means the government have to implement it

Lisa2011

Annabella1 wrote: »

People on the dole during the so-called boom years should be made explain themselves. That's it

Agree+ Read today that up to 1/3 of FAS interviewees dont turn up which indicates they are either working or bone idle.
Delighted this is being brought in by the Troika which means the government have to implement it

What happens if you cant get a job and you have reached the highest level of education and you cant get work outside the country either?

If your still on the dole after the time limit will your payments still be cut if so thats unfair.

I fear my relatives will be penniless and have no money.

Also its a known fact there are people who will never work again and thats not their fault.

jester77

Lisa2011 wrote: »

What happens if you cant get a job and you have reached the highest level of education and you cant get work outside the country either?

If your still on the dole after the time limit will your payments still be cut if so thats unfair.

I fear my relatives will be penniless and have no money.

Also its a known fact there are people who will never work again and thats not their fault.

That's how it is in most countries. After 1 year over here, you have to use up all your assets and savings and move into accommodation that meets certain requirements, e.g. size, cost, etc, before you get any further assistance - ~ €400 per month. And then you have to prove you are looking for work or you will lose that. You will be sent to interviews and you have to turn up, no excuses and no bs'ing the interviewer.

And Germany is one of the better countries. In other countries you are cut off full stop after a certain period of time.

Red Crow

Simply put a system where the people who work gain next to nothing from paying into the system and people who pay nothing in get rewarded is simply unsustainable.

It's a mix of people will lose some benefit by actually working which isn't their fault exactly. How can you expect people to actually put themselves in a position where they will lose out on benefit/money by working.

The benefit system is a farce and needs to be seriously reorganised.

It's a complete load of sh1te along with the grant system in college.

Doc Ruby

hondasam wrote: »

I would go as far as to say after six months on the dole payments should be reduced.

Sure, as long as after six months PRSI tax payments are reduced.

People complaining about those on the dole in the boom, learn the difference between long and short term unemployment.

Doc Ruby

elviscostello wrote: »

If they cut out the pile of shíte internship scheme, which is destroying anyones chances of getting a low skilled paid job, everyone would be better off.

Oho hold on a minute.

What do you bet the first and last question asked at this "interview" will be "why didn't you take that christmas internship stacking shelves in Tescos?"

They can't make internships mandatory so they're sneaking it in the back door.

Lisa2011

jester77 wrote: »

That's how it is in most countries. After 1 year over here, you have to use up all your assets and savings and move into accommodation that meets certain requirements, e.g. size, cost, etc, before you get any further assistance - ~ €400 per month. And then you have to prove you are looking for work or you will lose that. You will be sent to interviews and you have to turn up, no excuses and no bs'ing the interviewer.

And Germany is one of the better countries. In other countries you are cut off full stop after a certain period of time.

I think that is a great idea but I dont like the bit about using all your savings and moving into alternative accomodation. If you have your own home and own it outright they should not be allowed to tell you what to do.Savings wont last forever. Do they seriously want to be broke before they are helped. I know in austria you have to atend an agency once a month to discuss what your doing to find work.

The government are adding to the unemployment figures by reducing redundancy rebate. It just maks it even more difficult to find work

My brother was told by social welfare to sign a form stating he was willing to attend an interview for a community based organisation. He was told that the organisation would be in contact to arrange an interview. he ever heard from them.

Doc Ruby

And I'll tell you something else - I sat down for dinner last weekend with three elderly relations who used to work in the public sector, and kept my mouth shut while they were snarling about how people on the dole should be forced to work, and they wouldn't have got that growing up.

Every one of them was enjoying a state pension that would have cost them half their paycheque for thirty years if they had to pay it themselves. What does Joan have to say about that?

stovelid

You can see the perverted logic.

Force people off the dole into exploitative internship schemes so large businesses get pliant, dirt-cheap labour and the unemployment figures are massaged downwards.

Not so many years ago, we had unemployment rates of 2-3% so it's obvious that if reasonably-paid work is actually available, the vast majority of the population want to work.

I've said this so many times I may as well put it as a signature but all the smug (no doubt either young or in reasonaably secure jobs) posters pontificating about dole should just sign a binding affadavit that they will either take no dole, reduced dole or time-limited dole if they are ever made redundant in their working lifetime. Put your money where you mouth is; live by your principles and also provide a nice cash boost to the economy for the next 30-40 years.

If you don't want to sign this, then shut the fuck up with your whining on these interminable bloody threads.

Seomra Mushie

Wanted to write out a well-thought out response for Joan, but really all I want to say is:

KISS MY DESPERATE, UNEMPLOYED, CONSIDERING TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE THINGS HOLE, YOU OVERPAID, OUT-OF-TOUCH KNOBETTE!!!

mattjack

hondasam wrote: »

It's not a rotten attitude imo. I'm sick of peoples attitude's here, there are some jobs out there but people are not willing to work for the crap money.

I will not be losing my job but if I did I would get another one.

ob.I really hope you never lose your j

I lost my job in April 2009 after almost 21 years employment ...I thought I,d have no trouble picking something up after a few weeks... 14 months later after applying for 316 jobs and getting two interviews , I finally got a place on a CE scheme .
I have a trade with all my Irish qualifications and a load of C&Gs.

Now I,m putting myself through college and hopefully I might get a few interviews and maybe even a job.

So if you can tell me where these jobs are let me know ? I'll try anything


I got the usual...... mortgage, kids etc .

token101

I wonder is Joan watching now gathering IP addresses of all the unemployed here for her first batch of the 'Irish inquisition'? Ye should be all out looking for jobs!!! Why don't all ye wasters do something useful and set up a Facebook group: 'You're Harangueing me Joan!!' and add everyone in your local SW office :P

bassy

this country and welfare set up is the biggest joke ever,10 years ago when there was a so called boom and every one was reaping the benefits,the ones on the dole were left alone and not bothered with.

now all of a sudden there,s definately little or no work available and the decide to suddenly clamp down on the people claming dole to show where the have tryed for employment etc.where the fook do the think there gonna get jobs now?

why did,nt the clamp down on the dole 10 years ago??????????????????

Lisa2011

mattjack wrote: »

ob.I really hope you never lose your j

I lost my job in April 2009 after almost 21 years employment ...I thought I,d have no trouble picking something up after a few weeks... 14 months later after applying for 316 jobs and getting two interviews , I finally got a place on a CE scheme .
I have a trade with all my Irish qualifications and a load of C&Gs.

Now I,m putting myself through college and hopefully I might get a few interviews and maybe even a job.

So if you can tell me where these jobs are let me know ? I'll try anything


I got the usual...... mortgage, kids etc .

Good luck to you in your studies. I know people who could not get work with a qualification and wanted to use the CE Scheme as a stepping stone to get back into work and get experience to go along with a course they did. They kept getting turned down.

Lisa2011

I will complain and moan all I like about the system. There are many setors affected by the recession and businesses are closing or not hiring so where can the unemployed get work. I was right about the retired public sector workers. They dont know what its like to not be working. You cant be forced to work if nobody will give you a job. I am lucky that I have casual/partime job but there are no guarantees. I apply for jobs and get no response.

Why not get rid of FAS sooner rather than later and bring in the agency and get them to assist the unemployed.

The staff in SW offices are rude from what I have been told. They treat the unemployed like crap.

If I lost my job tomorrow I would glady take another job. I know what its like to be idle for a period of tme and its not nice.

Finally the government made mistakes throughou the years but its always those with nothing that suffer. Its a joke.

bordsie

There's no need to label all of the unemployed as this type of scum, not all of them have this mentality, there are actually some decent people on the dole you know :rolleyes:

why not give them tasks that would be given to them and collect their dole?. Not every person on the dole is looking to "abuse the system" like you say, there are some decent people on the dole who would happily sweep the streets/pick up shit etc. And keep the streets clean for me and my work colleagues.

Pin_Cushion

bordsie wrote: »

why not give them tasks that would be given to them and collect their dole?.

Labour in exchange for financial reward eh? Problem is that they might dispute the conditions of their work. Then unionise. Then demand more pay. Then have a big meeting in Croke Park to say that their money can't be reduced. Sounds messy.

quietriot

It's a bit unfair to label all those receiving social welfare as "scum" or similar. I think something is needed to motivate those on social welfare to work harder to get a job, a lot begin well but get complacent and start not bothering to apply then. it's understandable, it's a severe knock to their confidence and their prospects are generally going to be a lot worse than they were previously. However, work is necessary.

A time limit, in theory, is good. What's the point though? 4% of those able to work didn't bother during the time when we had full employment and anyone could get a decent job. Are they going to work? No, are they going to be interviewed about it? Probably. Will they fling a few applications into jobs they know they won't get in order to satisfy the requirements of this interview? Most likely.

What we really need to do is reduce the welfare being given out and divert the saved money into a job placement program, where staff help people make their cvs and then apply for jobs on their behalf. Don't leave it up to the unemployed, get their cv in shape and out to employers and then penalize them if they don't turn up to interviews or are seen to be throwing them.

Another alternative would be to realistically look at things and just offer people a lump sum worth a few months dole in order to pay the costs of emigration and have sufficient money going over to get a job elsewhere. It'd look after the Irish citizens and reduce to bill long term.

Dudess

hondasam wrote: »

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

with that rotten attitude i hope you lose your job.

It's not a rotten attitude imo. I'm sick of peoples attitude's here, there are some jobs out there but people are not willing to work for the crap money.

I will not be losing my job but if I did I would get another one.

You should consider becoming a fortune-teller.

Celly Smunt

FÁS should be privatised so that worthwhile certs/diplomas etc etc are awarded.

Seomra Mushie

Actually, can anyone offer me some advice?

I want to move to Dublin and look for work. (ANY work)

Problem is, I can't afford to stay there on meager dole savings. My sister lives there, as does my BF. My sister is a tough cookie, and while we do get on, she won't make me feel comfortable if I stay with her and her BF for a weeks, sleeping on their futon. My BF would have me in a second, but he has a flatmate so obviously it wouldn't be fair on him for me to crash there for a few weeks. Plus, their apartment is TINY and barely houses two. So, I feel kinda stuck. I'm living at my parents two and a half hours from Dublin. They can't afford to loan me money, as they have been badly affected by the recession too. So, what can I do?

Celly Smunt

Seomra Mushie wrote: »

Actually, can anyone offer me some advice?

I want to move to Dublin and look for work. (ANY work)

Problem is, I can't afford to stay there on meager dole savings. My sister lives there, as does my BF. My sister is a tough cookie, and while we do get on, she won't make me feel comfortable if I stay with her and her BF for a weeks, sleeping on their futon. My BF would have me in a second, but he has a flatmate so obviously it wouldn't be fair on him for me to crash there for a few weeks. Plus, their apartment is TINY and barely houses two. So, I feel kinda stuck. I'm living at my parents two and a half hours from Dublin. They can't afford to loan me money, as they have been badly affected by the recession too. So, what can I do?

Move into somewhere new with your boyfriend,or stay in a hostel for a while and get rent allowance.

previous user

giant_midget wrote: »

Lads, I think most of you are missing the point of this story. This will be aimed at people on the dole long term. People that lost their job in 2007 onwards will & should be ok due to the circumstances that the country is in.

This seems to be for the losers that make it their life to be on the dole. All they need to do is look at their records, see who was on the dole from 2000 - present day.. then simply stop their payments No excuses in the world could account for not working for this length of time.

These are the "people" that this is aimed at. About time too, People who make a living out of being on the dole are a piece of sh1t in my eyes..

hmm don't want to cause a panic but some people might consider being on the dole since 2007 longterm.

Seomra Mushie

pmcmahon wrote: »

Move into somewhere new with your boyfriend,or stay in a hostel for a while and get rent allowance.

We've only been going out five months, so bit soon I think!

Problem is, I was ill which was why I had to leave my last job, so it's more illness benefit than dole (same amount though). That complicates things. And I just want to be off SW at this stage. :-/

The hostel is an idea! Hmmm, you got me thinking!

Lisa2011

One last point the IMF has warned that the global eonomy is in serious danger. More jobs are going to be lost.If you apply for jobs and get knock backs you cant have payments cut. all the unemployed having their payments cut would just result in more jobs being lost.

AudreyHepburn

I certainly agree there should be a time limit for collecting dole. I was out of work for 6 months, actively looking for a job and unable to get it because I live at home. Yet there are those who have been on it for months and years on end and not even attempting to find work.

Obviously it would need to be regulated and I don't honestly think anyone is saying EVERYONE should be subject to it. But if you simply not bothering to try to get work, then I have to problem with your payment being cut or stopped if necessary.

hmmm

I hope this is balanced by increasing the benefits paid to people who have worked all their life (and paid PRSI), and who now find themselves on the dole.

It's a disgrace that people who have never worked a day in their life get the same dole, health benefits etc as those who have worked hard all their life. In fact, the former group get more as they'll be first in line for free houses and handouts for prams, communions etc.

cladda1112

What annoys me is they are going to target the new people. These are the people that are or have lost their jobs recently. What about targeting the people that have being on the dole for years even through the boom years. And it would be so easy to trace these people. Anyone recently on the dole does not want to be their believe me.

ilovesleep

Why stop this plan of cutting for failure at social welfare?

Bring it into all areas:

If a PS worker fails in his/her duty of work - sack them instead of keeping them on.

If a politician fails and they were many in the previous government and some in the current government (espicially Joan and her farce of a slaveship scheme scheme) cut their payments.

Otherwise it is discrimination, pure and simple.

So go on Moan Burton and introduce this but don't forget about about yourself and the rest of the fcukwit politicians.

Sierra 117

We should give the politicians an end time for them to have created jobs by and if they don't meet that deadline, we cut their pay.