Time limit for dole?

Celly Smunt

fryup wrote: »

correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't it in Canada you get the social welfare for something like 6 months and thats it and you're left to your own devices after that

there are jobs readily available in canada however.

token101

Kirby wrote: »

Would you mind listing these companies? Do they have websites?

Apple, Amazon, and Abtran. Do a google search for CPL recruitment (Amazon), or La Creme (Abtran). Call centre work, but work nonetheless with a guaranteed monthly wage, none of this door to door horses**t.

Quite frankly, the way things are going with outsourcing, globalisation, mechanisation & resource limitations, there are fewer and fewer opportunities for work.

There may never be enough "real" jobs in the future, so what's the alternative.

Workhouse perhaps, or work for dole (jobs that don't make money) like removing rubbish from the countryside.

thebostoncrab

hondasam wrote: »

why are you taking it personally, I don't know you and you don't know me.

Because you are lumping a huge amount of people together with a horrible generalisation and a backwards attitude to the problem, coming across as having a superiority complex (Not saying you do, just that that's how it's coming across). A group that I was apart of for a long time and was not helped at all by attitudes like this.

hondasam wrote: »

Where did I say this?

hondasam wrote: »

I would go as far as to say after six months on the dole payments should be reduced.

Baz_welkin

I have a masters degree my wife has a degree, both of us were let go at the same time (5 months ago) as companies closed down. Applying for jobs left right and centre, 1 interview for part time job, few replies to say no luck with your application, still no medical card. 360euo coming into the house a week and rather than actually do their jobs properly and help the people the government only wishes to increase the pain. This is why people are leaving this country:mad:

simit

ejmaztec wrote: »

Joan's only pissed off because she can't think of a new method to massage the unemployment figures. People just aren't emigrating quick enough.

Perhaps she get the dole offices to diversify into becoming travel agents, handing out travel brochures and complimentary suitcases.

Well said, they might even throw in priority boarding cards.

These systems have being in place for years in the likes of the Netherlands and Germany, they were when I was working and living there 20 years ago.

And it should be in place here, though this is not the time to introduce such a system, it should have being implemented when there was a surplus of work available, 2000 - 2001, though we know that the people who governed us were more interested in keeping their interests at hand by keeping everyone happy and dandy so they could be sure of a vote.

More emphasis should be on Job Creation, also Job Protection in helping businesses operate at the moment.

I do book keeping, IT, Admin for a friends business, and he and the business worked extremely hard for November / December, just payed the Tax, and the VAT there, it swallowed alot of the businesses account, where wages are being put off until we get money in.

The intern system should be operated by the colleges and universities and not by the Government, everything is a short term solution with governments here, the 4 year plan by FG, where's that now, I wonder is there a need for government, as they are not governing this country, maybe we could save a large amount of money, pensions, expenses, etc, by just allowing the civil servants operate at the moment and when and if we get our sovereignty back or when politicians start to grow balls we can have them in the position where they can avail of all of the perks without the luxury of creating excuses which they are bound by the troika, etc.

I don't see any inovation or ideas from this government... I really don't.

Maybe if they brought in a 'emigration grant' where applicants receive a sum of money though sign a waiver that they will not use any state systems for a specified period of time.

At least they would be helping their citizens somewhat, like a lot of things in Ireland there is rules and laws which are not enforced for whatever reason, be it human resources, cost , etc, sometimes I think it's just to justify the positon and job of the creator of these papers.

I get a headache when I think of those clowns up in the dail.

Lisa2011

The problem here is that the government expect people to take any job but that is not possible when employers wont hire because they are worried you will walk away when you get a better offer. I know that for a fact because it was said to my brother. if Joan Burton actually met with people and see what they are doing in order to get work she would reconsider this.

My brother has tired to get any type of job like managerial positions in retail because he has managerial experience but has been turned down and has applied to UK jobs but no luck and has applied for jobs in other countries aswell. Might I add that he has achieved the highest level of education possible

He is in being turned for jobs he is qualified to do because he has to much experience.


I know many people who are not lazy to work but they cant get a low skilled job because they dont have experience. Also there are people to scared to return full or part time education because of their financial position and the fact that they wont get benefits or they cant get part time work to support themselves through college.

To solve the unemployment problem they need to have a better jobs strategy instead of an internship scheme that is not being run properly and which is being abused by employers e.g. supermakerts hiring staff through job bridge to work in fruit and veg.

The UK has internships for people who cant afford to go to college and they are far better internships than what we have in Ireland.

How can people on the dole afford to eat and pay bills if their payments are cut or taken away from them completely. Cutting payments or refusing to give benefits should have been done when times were good because you had school drop outs who did not want to work going and signing on.

The government are responible for the creating the environment within whih businesses can grow and survive. They are not doing this because they refuse to ban upward only rent reviews and its why people are losing jobs every day of the week and its going to increase until the country is ruined

The increase in VAT wont help protect jobs. Everything introduced by Minister Noonan is aimed at reducing the country's debt but that wont happen if people are continuing to lose their job and dont have any money to go out and spend

There will be a revolution in Ireland sooner rather than later.

I am not a racist and never will be but the chances of Irish people getting low skilled jobs are impossible with so many foregin nationals being left into the country.


We sure have a bunch of clowns in the dail.

PickledLime

Deleted User wrote: »

The actual practical real-world effect of this will be that those who have their social welfare cut will simply resort to other means. Be this fraud or (most likely) theft/burglary.

Social Welfare cuts should be blanket cuts. Affect everyone and no one feels overly hard done by. Affect a minority of that group and they will retaliate. Fairly basic stuff.

I was going to post something similar myself. Most of the 'career dolers' i know of aren't the most savoury of characters. And of course i want to see them get off their asses; i'm sick to the teeth of trying to scrimp and scrape through college (which i'm about to be priced out of because of recent unexpected medical expenses), i can't claim for a medical card because i 'earn too much' (or as i like to call it 'enough for my bed and board, barely'). Have i mentioned as well that my miserable, demeaning job that just about covers my bills and eats into my study time is about to show me the door because of a downturn in business?

Oh what the hell am i even trying for? Once i drop out of college and get let go from my s**t job i can sign on, not have to worry about medical expenses and collect my giro with the 'carrer dolers', have a chat about 'de telly' and 'de football'. Might start popping out a few kids too, thats seems to be a nifty little earner for them too

Baz_welkin

Lisa2011 wrote: »

The problem here is that the government expect people to take any job but that is not possible when employers wont hire because they are worried you will walk away when you get a better offer

Couldnt agree more Lisa, the interview i had was for vodafone shop, part/time and was told the same thing as your brother. Im not fussy what job i get ANY job would do just to have money coming but the simple fact is they are not there.

AnonoBoy

People used to lie on their CVs and invent experience and qualifications. I presume some people are doing the opposite now - 'forgetting' to mention that masters in architecture you have might just make the difference when Vodafone are looking for sales staff.

hondasam

thebostoncrab wrote: »

Because you are lumping a huge amount of people together with a horrible generalisation and a backwards attitude to the problem, coming across as having a superiority complex (Not saying you do, just that that's how it's coming across). A group that I was apart of for a long time and was not helped at all by attitudes like this.

I did say to reduce the payment not half it. There is a difference.
Perhaps I have been fortunate to never have needed the dole or just a hard worker who is prepared to work for a living.
Believe me I have worked ****ty jobs in my time.

Lisa2011

2 stroke wrote: »

Nice one starting this thread when the majority of dole spongers are still in bed.
How many of you are suposed to be working at the moment?

Are you one of these people who think the unemployed shoud take any type of job and are too lazy to work?

Do you really think people want to be on the dole?

My father is under two years from retirement and was made redundant. Do you think he is a dole sponger?

Clareboy

The reality is that in the ' New Ireland' if one is male, middle aged and Irish, one has the proverbial ' snowball's chance in hell ' of getting a job. Its all right for the comfortable middle classes to be talking about putting time limits on the dole but what do you do with a guy in his fifties who is on the economic scrap heap? You tell me!

PickledLime

hondasam wrote: »

I did say to reduce the payment not half it. There is a difference.
Perhaps I have been fortunate to never have needed the dole or just a hard worker who is prepared to work for a living.
Believe me I have worked ****ty jobs in my time.

Most people are hard workers too and have all worked ****ty jobs at some point, there's nothing exceptional about your case.

You're lucky, that's all. Count your blessings and stop thinking you've a valid opinion about people on the dole when you've never had to step inside the local office, particularly when the country is in financial ruins.

Lisa2011

Baz_welkin wrote: »

Couldnt agree more Lisa, the interview i had was for vodafone shop, part/time and was told the same thing as your brother. Im not fussy what job i get ANY job would do just to have money coming but the simple fact is they are not there.

When you have been working in the same job for years like my brother its hard to find any type of job.If you have worked in cinemas,off licences and furniture stores you have a wide range of experience and skills from sales experience to customer service skills.

Do employers not know that there are certain sectors that will take years to recover and some wont so why are they banging on about people leaving if they get a better job offer.

robinph

hondasam wrote: »

I did say to reduce the payment not half it. There is a difference.
Perhaps I have been fortunate to never have needed the dole or just a hard worker who is prepared to work for a living.
Believe me I have worked ****ty jobs in my time.

Just for an experiment try sending out a few CV's to get some of these mystical jobs that you think are out there that are paying the same as the dole. Make no mention of you currently having some other job of course as that would just be daft, just put in that you got made redundant 6 months ago.

Let us know if you hear anything back, anything at all.

robinph

Lisa2011 wrote: »

Do employers not know that there are certain sectors that will take years to recover and some wont so why are they banging on about people leaving if they get a better job offer.

+1
If these other jobs were going to appear and cause us to leave in a month to greener pastures, don't they think that we might possibly have taken that job already during the previous 18months of looking?

Lisa2011

Clareboy wrote: »

The reality is that in the ' New Ireland' if one is male, middle aged and Irish, one has the proverbial ' snowball's chance in hell ' of getting a job. Its all right for the comfortable middle classes to be talking about putting time limits on the dole but what do you do with a guy in his fifties who is on the economic scrap heap? You tell me!

Agreed.

As I said in on of my posts my father is less than 2 years rom retirement and was made redundant. Social welfare had the cheek to ask was if he available for full time work. I am sad to say this but public sector workers dont have a clue whats going on if they are asking these questions. They will still get their big pensions.

Do they seriously think my father would be hired at his age?

token101

Lisa2011 wrote: »

Are you one of these people who think the unemployed shoud take any type of job and are too lazy to work?

Do you really think people want to be on the dole?

My father is under two years from retirement and was made redundant. Do you think he is a dole sponger?

Yes, if you're unemployed some work when offered is better than no work. Even if it's for a week, it's better than nothing. I've been there and done it, degree, masters whole lot. Week picking f**king daffodils last year for 200 quid being my personal highlight. It should be a pride thing if nothing else. Most people hate the dole and the perceived degradation and will take whatever offered.

Some do yeah! And they're the ones that need to be cut off.

No, you're taking it to extremes. The government aren't talking about people like your father. They're targeting people who've never worked a day in their lives, get up at midday, flick on Murder She Wrote, then throw on the PS3/X-Box for a few hours and then get a few cans and repeat daily. It's a small %, but there are people out there like that and it's not on. If someone can tell me why somebody not seeking a job deserves a jobseekers allowance then I'm all ears.

Lisa2011

Incase those who believe everyone on the dole is a sponger and are thinking I am one because I am posting so much I just wanted to let them its my job off for my part time job.

hondasam

PickledLime wrote: »

You're lucky, that's all. Count your blessings and stop thinking you've a valid opinion about people on the dole when you've never had to step inside the local office, particularly when the country is in financial ruins.

Perhaps I am lucky I don't know.

Can I not have an opinion, is it only unemployed people who can post in this thread?
I know plenty of people who do not work, have lost jobs etc. I am not totally oblivious to the real world or the problems people have.

jc84

jc84 wrote: »

any scheme introduced will be abused, i personally think the internship scheme is fantastic, where i work, we've taken on several interns in accounting positions

accountants for free ! of course you would like it
The state is funding your payroll ****in hell

Lisa2011

token101 wrote: »

Yes, if you're unemployed some work when offered is better than no work. Even if it's for a week, it's better than nothing. I've been there and done it, degree, masters whole lot. Week picking f**king daffodils last year for 200 quid being my personal highlight. It should be a pride thing if nothing else. Most people hate the dole and the perceived degradation and will take whatever offered.

Some do yeah! And they're the ones that need to be cut off.

No, you're taking it to extremes. The government aren't talking about people like your father. They're targeting people who've never worked a day in their lives, get up at midday, flick on Murder She Wrote, then throw on the PS3/X-Box for a few hours and then get a few cans and repeat daily. It's a small %, but there are people out there like that and it's not on. If someone can tell me why somebody not seeking a job deserves a jobseekers allowance then I'm all ears.

I agree that some work is better tha none at all but if your not getting offered any type of job and are constantly getting rejection letters like many peeople I know are what are you meant to do?

I do know people who get up and turn on the tv to watch murder she wrote and the are not lazy. They are willing to do anything but are being rejected all the time because of a lack of experience

If you are offered a job that pays the minimum wage and is 100 miles away and your only option is to rent close to where you working would you do it if you ended up with not enough money to live on after you pay taxes. I know a friend who is in the situation and regretably had to turn down a job because he would not have enough money to raise his child, pay his bills and his mortgage and buy food and he actually would be losing alot of money on rent and bills for the rented accomodation before he would get paid for the job.

Snowie

Deleted User wrote: »

accountants for free ! of course you would like it
The state is funding your payroll ****in hell

FFS at least the people are doing something constructive...

Lisa2011

Snowie wrote: »

FFS at least the people are doing something constructive...

I agree but the internships need to be designed like the one's in the UK where you get a internship salary and actually get proper on the job training. That way the state would not have to fund it

Gareth2011

Deleted User wrote: »

accountants for free ! of course you would like it
The state is funding your payroll ****in hell

Lisa2011 wrote: »

I agree but the internships need to be designed like the in the UK where you get a decent internship salary. that way the state would not have to fund it

I think someone posted on her about dixons offering one of these internships. You know what it was for? Loading a truck for deliverys for free. That was the job. I trained chimp could do it but rather than pay someone to do it they call it an internship and get someone to do it for free. Depends what the internship is. If its something really usefull or if its just a company taking the piss not wanting to pay someone for a job like I described.

tonsiltickler

I don't have a solution, but there should be a complete reversal of the way things work. I don't understand why fas isn't disbanded and language schools set up in its place. There should be an emigration grant and a body set up to help people go.

I'm currently working on a production line 3x 12hrs a week. I have a masters in engineering. No one will hire me here so my only option is to save up and go. It's heartbreaking.

_feedback_

Lisa2011 wrote: »

I agree but the internships need to be designed like the in the UK where you get a decent internship salary. that way the state would not have to fund it

Nevermind that.. They need to clamp down on the cúntish businesses taking advantage and filling low skilled positions with "interns".

How can you pull people in for an interview and tell them their dole will be cut if they don't have the right answers, while you are allowing "employers" take complete advantage. It's ridiculous. Sort out the rubbish scheme and more low skilled jobs will appear.

How or why would a business take someone off the dole when they can fill the position for free.

hondasam

k

Lisa2011 wrote: »

If you are offered a job that pays the minimum wage and is 100 miles away and your only option is to rent close to where you working would you do it if you ended up with not enough money to live on after you pay taxes. I know a friend who is in the situation and regretably had to turn down a job because he would not have enough money to raise his child, pay his bills and his mortgage and buy food and he actually would be losing alot of money on rent and bills for the rented accomodation before he would get paid for the job.

You know there are working people in this situation, it's not just people on the dole who are suffering.
Because of travelling and pay cuts I have moved nearer my job, it means renting and paying a mortgage and only going home on days off.