Dash cam saves your ass (no Roundabout stuff please :)

corklad12

I will admit the driver of the Megane was in the wrong for stopping dead in the middle of the road but it your responsibility ti keep a safe stopping distance from the car in front.

eringobragh

Max Power1 wrote: »

It's your fault, shouldnt brake for a deer.

This whole "rear ended automatically makes the rear ender at fault" thing is utter bollox anyway.
We should add in an addendum which envisages the type of stupidity shown by the megane driver, and the ignorance shown by the golf driver.

OP (of the video) completely not at fault.

Shouldn't swerve for an animal either - that megane owner should be strung up for that stunt.

poor, poor driving.

The_Nipper_One

Max Power1 wrote: »

It's your fault, shouldnt brake for a deer.

This whole "rear ended automatically makes the rear ender at fault" thing is utter bollox anyway.
We should add in an addendum which envisages the type of stupidity shown by the megane driver, and the ignorance shown by the golf driver.

OP (of the video) completely not at fault.

If you fancy a 200kg animal coming through your windshield onto either you or your passengers at 80km/h then feel free not to break. The whole "don't alter velocity for animals" really only applies to things like cats and dogs. Regardless, if you break to avoid the deer, and I rear end you, it is still my fault and I would accept that.

Just to make things clear, I agree the OP of the video didn't do anything wrong. I'm just referencing the rear ending potential of the cars behind him.

It really isn't "utter bollox" that you, the driver of your car, have to take the responsibility of knowing and maintaining a safe stopping distance ahead. Actually, it was this practice by the OP of that vid which prevented a rear end.

Tallon

corklad12 wrote: »

I will admit the driver of the Megane was in the wrong for stopping dead in the middle of the road but it your responsibility ti keep a safe stopping distance from the car in front.

Don't think he could have been any further away! When you're moving and someone is stopped dead, it doesn't take long to catch up to them!

Kenny Logins

ANXIOUS wrote: »

No I was In the fast lane.

The what?

CiniO

Max Power1 wrote: »

that is BS
Pileup caused by the retard in the megane. Who stops in a main road to let someone out, when there is a Q of traffic behind you?

Sums up the stupidity of (a) any moron who buys an econobox excuse for a car -such as a megane, and (b) the irish motoring public at large

While megane driver should be shot, but I can't really see a way any court would prosecute him for causing a pileup.
It'd be like "Dear Judge, I've seen an idiot in Golf trying to pull right in front of me, and as I always drive defensively and never enforce my right of way, I was forced to stop".
There is no way he could be prosecuted for causing a pileup.

Whoever wouldn't be able to stop and crashed would be at fault.

CiniO

Max Power1 wrote: »

It's your fault, shouldnt brake for a deer.

Did you ever see a deer?

Barrel

CiniO wrote: »

...

and everything was going just fine

beauf

Max Power1 wrote: »

It's your fault, shouldnt brake for a deer....

I expect You'll only make that mistake once.

Going through the Park on day, car in front came to a stop, as a stag ran across the road in front clearing the railing at the side in a single jump, impressed with that, we didn't see the stag chasing the first one until it jumped clear across our bonnet. Up close its massive.

beauf

vibe666 wrote: »

...and no, i didn't pull alongside him initially just to shout at him, I'd done it because i could see in my rearview mirror that the person behind me (my wife, who was following me) might not have the room to stop in time, because if I hadn't (and she confirmed this), she would have driven into the back of me and from what she said, the guy behind her would have definitely driven into the back of her as well, as he only just stopped almost on her bumper as it was....

Kinda tight on the separation? Nothing like hard braking to widen that gap for a few months.

sdanseo

RustyNut wrote: »

That's the main lesson to take away from that vid. If either driver had been driving defensively the crash would not have happened.

If we all drove defensively all the time no-one would ever get anywhere. I'm not saying drive everywhere up the next guy's arse undertaking all the way home, but I wouldn't be one to sit behind a moron who can't learn the very simple rule of which bloody lane to use.

He gets a dose of lights and horn or he gets undertaken, depending which is the lesser of two evils at a given time, and presuming he has had ample chance to get out of the damn way. Of course I check my mirrors, first

beauf

Out of curiosity I was wondering was there is a system that warnings you if you are too close for the speed. There is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_cruise_control_system I would assume that people have to hard brake, emergency break so rarely that their judgement on distance would be quite poor.

RustyNut

sdeire wrote: »

He gets a dose of lights and horn or he gets undertaken, depending which is the lesser of two evils at a given time, and presuming he has had ample chance to get out of the damn way. Of course I check my mirrors, first

A bit like the Lexus in the video you mean ?

sdanseo

RustyNut wrote: »

A bit like the Lexus in the video you mean ?

No. I don't drive dangerously. I'm much happier to flash/beep (politely, not excessively) from a safe distance than to undertake but there comes a time where if the car is unresponsive you have to undertake or everyone else begins to undertake you, both of which are undesirable. All this combined with the fact that you cause a danger staying slow in the outside lane because of people just like that Lexus driver.

The focus here should be on making the public aware that on motorways, a large number of them simply don't know how to drive.

Action required:

1. This one's simple: INCLUDE a motorway segment in driving lessons / driving test. You can't any longer be taught how to drive solely by Daddy because your mandatory hours need to be signed off by an ADI - change the rule so that learners with an ADI in the car only can practice on motorways or else mandate that at the very least, a portion of the test should take in a HQDC / DC where one exists in the area.

2. Signs at regular intervals on motorways reminding drivers to keep left unless overtaking.

3. Public awareness campaigns not unlike what's done for speeding etc on TV already.

4. Perhaps most importantly, active enforcement by Gardaí. Not even the general need for a ticket, just throw on blue lights until they pull over and then turn them off again. Ideally though, an €80 fine and a penalty point or three. There's not even the excuse here that Gardaí don't concentrate on this sort of stuff because unlike speeding they don't make cash out of it. Get Varadkar to chuck failure to keep left on the list of fixed penalty offences and there'll be more fish to shoot than in any barrel you can make out of a speed trap, if the M50 is anything to go by.

Red Crow

So took advice on here and started using my phone to record but now I want to get a basic entry level dash cam. What cam should I be looking at getting?

vibe666

well, this thread might have let me down with sensible responses, but youtube never fails to deliver! :pac:

oldyouth

Max Power1 wrote: »

This whole "rear ended automatically makes the rear ender at fault" thing is utter bollox anyway..

It's there for a reason................. a very good one

Plazaman

Eli Manning wrote: »

So took advice on here and started using my phone to record but now I want to get a basic entry level dash cam. What cam should I be looking at getting?

I have a Smartcam and they are very good. You can buy them off irish retailers if you just Google them. Easy to set up and easy to use and top quality video. They have audio recording capabilities too but I have that turned off as I always mutter strange things to myself when driving

Wexfordian

Max Power1 wrote: »

It's your fault, shouldnt brake for a deer.

Or elephants. Don't brake for them either. Might make an exception for Rhinos though...

Result of not braking for deer:



Your call...

Chippy01

Max Power1 wrote: »

This whole "rear ended automatically makes the rear ender at fault" thing is utter bollox anyway.
QUOTE]

Having been on both sides of the rear-ending coin, I would love to hear the breakdown of that statement of yours!!

dr.fuzzenstein

Ah, just feck it. Monday.

Chippy01

vibe666 wrote: »

yes, i had anticipated that the golf driver *might* have been stupid enough to try and pull out and i had eased of the accelerator just in case, i just hadn't realised that there was a possibility that the megane driver
If you had anticipated one ''idiot'', why couldn't you anticipate the second one

i could see in my rearview mirror that the person behind me (my wife, who was following me) might not have the room to stop in time, because if I hadn't (and she confirmed this), she would have driven into the back of me driving too fast and too close perhaps?

and from what she said, the guy behind her would have definitely driven into the back of her as well, as he only just stopped almost on her bumper as it was. Same as above, too fast too close?

so go on, let me have it.

I know that stretch of the N11. It's a good road, but you need your wits about you at all times. Vehicles do pop out of side roads, usually because the drivers have gotten pissed off with waiting for a break in the traffic to get out. On a bad day you could lose up to 20 minutes waiting to get out of a side road!
When they do decide to 'go for it', they either make it to the hard shoulder to build up speed so as not to impede other traffic (too much), or someone will do what the Magane driver did and slow/stop to let them out.

I'm not defending either driver, just explaining what I see every day on that road.

If that Golf had been a child running across the road, what do you think the Megane driver would have done then?
I think he would have stopped a lot quicker!!! Don't you?

Tallon

Plazaman wrote: »

I have a Smartcam and they are very good. You can buy them off irish retailers if you just Google them. Easy to set up and easy to use and top quality video. They have audio recording capabilities too but I have that turned off as I always mutter strange things to myself when driving

Just to touch on this!

I would HIGHLY recommend you turn the audio recording on, it will come in very handy at some stage!

You can always mute it if you're ever uploading it, but like a condom; "I'd rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it"

professore

CyberGhost wrote: »

Ugh... don't start with the roundabouts please, 85% of the drivers don't even know how to use an indicator at the roundabout.

Man, that pisses me off! When you see somebody indicating right, you slow down, only for them to take the left exit... ASSHOLES!

Maybe they are lost ??????

The_Nipper_One

beauf wrote: »

Out of curiosity I was wondering was there is a system that warnings you if you are too close for the speed. There is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_cruise_control_system I would assume that people have to hard brake, emergency break so rarely that their judgement on distance would be quite poor.

I'd imagine there probably is. I remember seeing some tests being done on a car before too in regards to automatic breaking. It will beep to tell you that you need to break for a second or two, but if you don't do anything the breaks will slam at the last second to bring you to a stop just before the impact.

Don't know how far along it is though

maceocc2

Max Power1 wrote: »

that is BS
Pileup caused by the retard in the megane. Who stops in a main road to let someone out, when there is a Q of traffic behind you?

You're way off here, kick and scream all you want about the rear end rule but if OP had of hit the back of that megane he would have been paying out.

In my opinion the Golf was at fault but if they where not impacted they would pretty much walk away from any implications.

Max Power1 wrote: »

(a) any moron who buys an econobox excuse for a car -such as a megane,

Not sure what this means, surely you're not saying that all "econobox" drivers are bad/stupid drivers?

Max Power1 wrote: »

(b) the irish motoring public at large

COMPLETEY agree, The only place I've seen more dangerous stuff is Poland to be honest.

josip

maceocc2 wrote: »

COMPLETEY agree, The only place I've seen more dangerous stuff is Poland to be honest.

Ever driven in Montenegro?

Chippy01

maceocc2 wrote: »

The only place I've seen more dangerous stuff is Poland to be honest.

Try Tangiers in Morocco .... :eek:

vibe666

if anyone fancies trolling a troll, head over to the comments section of my video

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=M_aaW9uaKNc

corklad12