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Tzardine

CiniO wrote: »

But on the other hand, you started undertaking, so here you go - you didn't need to wait long for an effect.

It does look like that but he actually slowed down while I was along side him. That's why it looks like I am pulling ahead. Looked like he genuinely got a fright when he heard the horn so I dont think he saw me at all.

runawaybishop

CiniO wrote: »

Wide vehicles are allowed to cross the white line (either broken or continuous) if they are too wide to fit in their lane.

You are missing the part that states "if it is safe to do so". When it is into oncoming traffic it is not safe to do so.

CiniO

runawaybishop wrote: »

You are missing the part that states "if it is safe to do so". When it is into oncoming traffic it is not safe to do so.

If vehicle is too wide to fit on its lane, then there is no choice, whether there is oncoming traffic or not.

CiniO

Strituck wrote: »

It does look like that but he actually slowed down while I was along side him. That's why it looks like I am pulling ahead.

Unfortunately it's still undertaking.
Whether you accelerate on left lane, or car on right lane slows down, if you pass a car on it's left it's undertaking.

Looked like he genuinely got a fright when he heard the horn so I dont think he saw me at all.

Maybe you were in his blind spot. Obviously this doesn't justify him. He just overtook you and then even if he didn't see you in the left mirror because you were in the blind spot, he still should be aware you must be somewhere.
Very poor driving on his side.

the_syco

Strituck wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ5vBLGAJ74

Another one today on my way home. Silver Mercedes blind to whats going on around him. Road goes from 80 to 120 kmh but he does not accelerate. He decides to come into the lane I am in without looking.

Feckin Mercedes drivers :rolleyes:

F**ker was most likely on his mobile phone; see this a lot, and they're always on their phone when I overtake them.

ironclaw wrote: »

There is a clause around that. Even on blues they need to proceed in a manner that is safe to do so at. And when not on blues, they have to respect all traffic laws. They upholdthe law, they arn't above it

Whilst working, getting to work, etc, no rules apply to them. blues & twos are used to notify people that fast car is coming, and for you to get out of the way.

CiniO wrote: »

undertaking

Undertaking is going from the outside lane, to the inside lane, passing the car, and then going into the outside lane again.

What the user did was called passing the car.

gutteruu

CiniO wrote: »

Unfortunately it's still undertaking.
Whether you accelerate on left lane, or car on right lane slows down, if you pass a car on it's left it's undertaking.

Poster done nothing illegal. It is legal to undertake under certain circumstances and that is one of them. He didn't drastically change his speed or change lane so its perfectly legal.

tin79

CiniO wrote: »

Unfortunately it's still undertaking.
Whether you accelerate on left lane, or car on right lane slows down, if you pass a car on it's left it's undertaking.

Its not undertaking at all unless you pass the vehicle. OP didn't pass the vehicle so therefore its not undertaking. Looked to me like to OP was well aware of this.

Pulling level with a car is not passing a car. Two different things.

runawaybishop

CiniO wrote: »

If vehicle is too wide to fit on its lane, then there is no choice, whether there is oncoming traffic or not.

I'm sorry, but this is not true. Bus should have stopped. Before you say something about him not having enough time to stop safely with passengers, its his job to take this into account.

Please stop insisting that buses are legally allowed to move onto the wrong side of the road into oncoming traffic to pass a parked car. Its just bullship.

CiniO

runawaybishop wrote: »

I'm sorry, but this is not true. Bus should have stopped. Before you say something about him not having enough time to stop safely with passengers, its his job to take this into account.

Please stop insisting that buses are legally allowed to move onto the wrong side of the road into oncoming traffic to pass a parked car. Its just bullship.

Can you point where did I say that?
I never said what bus driver did was right.

CiniO

the_syco wrote: »

Undertaking is going from the outside lane, to the inside lane, passing the car, and then going into the outside lane again.

Yes?
Can I get the source of this definition?

What the user did was called passing the car.

In fact undertaking is just a slang name.
Correct name is overtaking on the left side, and that's exactly what video poster started doing.
Once you are going quicker than other car, and you are on his left side, this is overtaking on left, which is referred to as undertaking.

gutteruu wrote: »

Poster done nothing illegal. It is legal to undertake under certain circumstances and that is one of them.

No it isn't.
True there are circumstances where it's legal to overtake on the left, but this was definitely not one of them.

He didn't drastically change his speed or change lane so its perfectly legal.

No it wasn't.

tin79 wrote: »

Its not undertaking at all unless you pass the vehicle. OP didn't pass the vehicle so therefore its not undertaking. Looked to me like to OP was well aware of this.

Pulling level with a car is not passing a car. Two different things.

Pulling level with another car is a beginning of manouver called overtaking. And as this was done on the left, then we call it undetaking.
Yes, sure - he didn't finish his manouver. But that doesn't change a fact that it shouldn't be done in the first place.

RustyNut

Celly Smunt wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfbERAMx_2g

edit:youtube is a dick.

If the Merc had stopped and sooner or harder it is likely i would have a face full of bus right now.Thanks bus.

Just my point of view but all I see in this vid is good "real world" driving by everybody involved.

I agree that if there had been a shunt then legally the bus driver was 100% at fault and the camera car had full right of way, but we don't drive in court rooms we only end up there when it has gone wrong.

From The merc drivers point, it looked to me like (s)he was pulling up to park at that business on the left before you get to the pub and they kept well to the left as they slowed down, or they just pulled up on the path (not ideal) but that was their only involvement.

From bus drivers point, the bus was powering up towards superquinn and had a car parked partly blocking its way that it needed to overtake. The driver seen the merc and camera car passing the stopped bus on his opposite side and made the judgement that there was enough room for him to safely pass the parked car because the oncomming traffic had a full lane and a clear bus lane to pass him, which is exactly what happened.

From the camera cars point, they had left a safe distance between them selves and the merc and had no problem reacting to the merc pulling up.
They had also at the same time seen the bus approaching the parked car and anticipated it crossing the line leading to what seemed to me to be a smooth slow down to avoid the merc and keep left to avoid the bus manoeuvre while needing to slow down for the long miler junction anyway.

No drama untill the vid makes it onto the interweb

runawaybishop

CiniO wrote: »

Can you point where did I say that?
I never said what bus driver did was right.

I'm glad you agree that the buses are not allowed to move onto the wrong side of the road in front of oncoming traffic to pass an obstacle.

Barrel

Quote:
Originally Posted by runawaybishop
I'm sorry, but this is not true. Bus should have stopped. Before you say something about him not having enough time to stop safely with passengers, its his job to take this into account.

Please stop insisting that buses are legally allowed to move onto the wrong side of the road into oncoming traffic to pass a parked car. Its just bullship.

CiniO wrote: »

Can you point where did I say that?
I never said what bus driver did was right.

CiniO wrote: »

Wide vehicles are allowed to cross the white line (either broken or continuous) if they are too wide to fit in their lane.

I'm not saying this applies to that case, as he was passing a parked car, but don't assume automatically that if bus or truck is outside the middle line, then he is automatically at fault, because he is fully allowed to cross those lines if needed.

There in post #1925 is where you said it

CiniO

Barrel wrote: »

Quote:
Originally Posted by runawaybishop
I'm sorry, but this is not true. Bus should have stopped. Before you say something about him not having enough time to stop safely with passengers, its his job to take this into account.

Please stop insisting that buses are legally allowed to move onto the wrong side of the road into oncoming traffic to pass a parked car. Its just bullship.



Wide vehicles are allowed to cross the white line (either broken or continuous) if they are too wide to fit in their lane.

I'm not saying this applies to that case, as he was passing a parked car, but don't assume automatically that if bus or truck is outside the middle line, then he is automatically at fault, because he is fully allowed to cross those lines if needed.

There in post #1925 is where you said it

Now sit back again and read what I've written in post #1925 again.

You can not quote just part of one sentence and claim that's what I said, without quoting rest of the context which changes the sense of the quotation to completely opposite.

RustyNut

Tallon wrote: »

They do, they have to obey the same rules we do

No they don't.

Voodoomelon

This thread is headwrecking; you can be 100% in the right and there's still 5 people there to tell you you're wrong. Too much bickering and not enough videos!

CiniO

Voodoomelon wrote: »

This thread is headwrecking; you can be 100% in the right and there's still 5 people there to tell you you're wrong. Too much bickering and not enough videos!

And that's the reason we have it all in one thread instead of creating one thread for each video

Barrel

CiniO wrote: »

Now sit back again and read what I've written in post #1925 again.

You can not quote just part of one sentence and claim that's what I said, without quoting rest of the context which changes the sense of the quotation to completely opposite.

Look back at my post I quoted you fully and highlighted the important part exactly like you have done in post #1936 which I was actually answering

Jesus.

runawaybishop wrote: »

I'm glad you agree that the buses are not allowed to move onto the wrong side of the road in front of oncoming traffic to pass an obstacle.

True but in the real World, we should all give a bit of leeway to large vehicles because our narrow roads really aren't designed for them.

CiniO

Barrel wrote: »

Look back at my post I quoted you fully and highlighted the important part exactly like you have done in post #1936 which I was actually answering

True.
But you highlighted part of my sentence which while being read on its own, completely changed the sense of my post you quotes.


In short.
Runawaybishop asked me to stop insisting that buses are legally allowed to move onto the wrong side of the road into oncoming traffic to pass a parked car.
I responded that I never said anything like that.
You quoted me, and highlighted just a part of a sentence from my whole post, which while read on it's own might suggest I said what runawaybishop suggested, but in fact it didn't. And you would know that if you understood the whole post I wrote.

Taylor365

All this nonsense.

If I'm driving down the road and i see a cyclist or parked car on the opposite side of the road, i stick as far left as possible to leave ample room for all to proceed. If it means crossing white lines so be it.

Might not be 'rules of the road' but there's no near misses and no one gets hurt.

Common sense driving really....which is lacking in this country.

Tallon

RustyNut wrote: »

No they don't.

in the performance of the duties of that member

Were the 'en route' to get doughnuts or something? :rolleyes:

Tallon

CinO, I really think you need a refresher course in the ROTR...

The_Nipper_One

CinO is right about the undertaking thing.

There are only 2 cases where you can pass a car on the left, regardless of what other drivers are doing.

1. When the car ahead has signaled a right turn and has moved out to the middle of the road
2. when in slow moving queued traffic where the left lane is moving faster than the right

I know some people are saying he didn't actually 'pass' the car, but for the intents and purposes of safety, moving beside a car is the same as a full undertake.

Having said that!!! Still bad driving by the merc.

Tallon

The_Nipper_One wrote: »

CinO is right about the undertaking thing.

There are only 2 cases where you can pass a car on the left, regardless of what other drivers are doing.

1. When the car ahead has signaled a right turn and has moved out to the middle of the road
2. when in slow moving queued traffic where the left lane is moving faster than the right

I know some people are saying he didn't actually 'pass' the car, but for the intents and purposes of safety, moving beside a car is the same as a full undertake.

Having said that!!! Still bad driving by the merc.

There are 3 cases!

I suggest you too read the rules of the road!

ironclaw

Can the mods suggest a 'no chat' on this thread? There is 130 pages of bickering and probably 30 videos.

Tallon

ironclaw wrote: »

Can the mods suggest a 'no chat' on this thread? There is 130 pages of bickering and probably 30 videos.

I believe this thread is for posting and discussing... If you want to just post videos, use the Yootube thread

The_Nipper_One

Tallon wrote: »

There are 3 cases!

I suggest you too read the rules of the road!

I thought there were 3, care to fill me in on the last one?

EDIT: Nevermind, I found it. The third case is when you are turning left. Doesn't matter that I forgot that one really since it's already implied in the first 2.

Tallon

The_Nipper_One wrote: »

I thought there were 3, care to fill me in on the last one?

EDIT: Nevermind, I found it. The third case is when you are turning left. Doesn't matter that I forgot that one really since it's already implied in the first 2.

Of course it matters. You were wrong. That's a fail on a driving test

The_Nipper_One

Tallon wrote: »

Of course it matters. You were wrong. That's a fail on a driving test

Actually, it isn't. Don't know where you got that from.