The Panel

Section_4

redno.3 wrote: »

My age is ok 33, have no underlying illnesses or conditions, never been in trouble with the law in my life, neither have any relations of mine that I know of!

In reality that's not going to happen being ' looked after '. The only hope (and its a very small one) is to keep the panel and redo it all for those who still are interested in the career!

I just rang the G.R.A today and the advice I got was to write two letters, one directly to the commissioner and one directly to the minister for justice stating our situation and basically ask him to consider giving us our deserved chance!

If as many as possible from the panel could do that then at least we can't say we didn't do all we could and be able to move on and put it behind us!

I'm writing it up over the weekend and sending it Monday!

I would be very careful in sending such a letter to any member of An Garda Siochana, politician or public sector employee that is, or has the potential to be, involved in the recruitment process as it would likely be construed as canvassing thereby disqualifiying you from the old panel and any upcoming competition. Any letter such as the one you described above will be considered canvassing as you are asking the recipient to become involved in your situation/ the recruitment process with a view to influencing a future outcome in your favour. I appreciate you may already be on a panel from which Garda recruit applicants may be drawn from however you have not been offered a recruit position as of yet and any contact with parties connected to the process and extolling them to exert influence to advance such an offer is canvassing.

I say the above with full appriciation for and knowledge of the merit with which you attained your position on the panel and am not presenting an opinion on the validity of said panel for use in any future recruitment process.

I would suggest a well written, registered letter to Garda HRM asking for clarification of your position and that of the panel established during the last recruitment process would be the best avenue to pursue. Some may suggest writing editorial pieces and/or enlisting the help of print (or other) media too; do this with caution as AGS generally take a dim view of people unwilling to pursue official, albeit more muted, channels.

redno.3

Section_4 wrote: »

I would be very careful in sending such a letter to any member of An Garda Siochana, politician or public sector employee that is, or has the potential to be, involved in the recruitment process as it would likely be construed as canvassing thereby disqualifiying you from the old panel and any upcoming competition. Any letter such as the one you described above will be considered canvassing as you are asking the recipient to become involved in your situation/ the recruitment process with a view to influencing a future outcome in your favour. I appreciate you may already be on a panel from which Garda recruit applicants may be drawn from however you have not been offered a recruit position as of yet and any contact with parties connected to the process and extolling them to exert influence to advance such an offer is canvassing.

I say the above with full appriciation for and knowledge of the merit with which you attained your position on the panel and am not presenting an opinion on the validity of said panel for use in any future recruitment process.

I would suggest a well written, registered letter to Garda HRM asking for clarification of your position and that of the panel established during the last recruitment process would be the best avenue to pursue. Some may suggest writing editorial pieces and/or enlisting the help of print (or other) media too; do this with caution as AGS generally take a dim view of people unwilling to pursue official, albeit more muted, channels.

I know thanks for the advice, I don't want to go down that road at all! I don't genuinely feel it's canvassing though, if we were starting from scratch maybe but I have to try and do something before the inevitable happens, I just don't know!

I would like to think there is someone high up who could understand our cause and help us out but I know it doesn't work that way!

annlewis

Anyone know roughly how many of us there are on the panel ?
I know of course folk may have changed their minds or different things have happened to others but surely there would be a decent number of us

Section_4

redno.3 wrote: »

I know thanks for the advice, I don't want to go down that road at all! I don't genuinely feel it's canvassing though, if we were starting from scratch maybe but I have to try and do something before the inevitable happens, I just don't know!

I would like to think there is someone high up who could understand our cause and help us out but I know it doesn't work that way!

I sympathise with your position however asking anybody to effect a positive outcome in a competition on your behalf is the definition of canvassing. Regardless of the state of advancement of the panel and your position on it by writing a letter such as the one you described means you will be engaging in canvassing and are open to all it's unwanted consequences.

I am not trying to discourage you from advancing your case but I maintain that getting in contact with Garda HRM, via a registered letter, and establishing the status of, and future plans for, your panel is the most viable course of action to pursue. All the more power if they receive numerous registered letters from the many people on the panel.

Devil08

Cd_doe wrote: »

1. I'll pass on your advice to stay away from a public forum.

2. If your not going to take the word of Alan Shatter in relation to the panel, then why are you taking his word in relation to recruitment starting soon.

3. Garda HQ don't look after recruitment. The public appointments service do.

4. I'm not hoping the panel is scrapped (it makes no difference to me). I was just skimming through this public forum and decided to give my opinion.

5. I'm not a "johnny come lately" who decided I wanted to be a Garda 2 months ago.

There's a lot of people who are sore about the panel (and obviously I wouldn't blame them). But calm down mate. Nobody here is to blame for the past screw up in relation to the panel.

Garda HQ do look after recruitment. Public jobs just do the initial tests and then they forward all the suitable candidates onto Garda HQ to arrange medicals etc and then offer employment to candidates. Public jobs has nothing to do with the panel

Cd_doe

Devil08 wrote: »

Garda HQ do look after recruitment. Public jobs just do the initial tests and then they forward all the suitable candidates onto Garda HQ to arrange medicals etc and then offer employment to candidates. Public jobs has nothing to do with the panel

Meh... fair enough.

Also I agree with section 4... s registered letter looking for clarification is probably the best approach

redno.3

annlewis wrote: »

Anyone know roughly how many of us there are on the panel ?
I know of course folk may have changed their minds or different things have happened to others but surely there would be a decent number of us

160 roughly I think, I'm sure a big bulk of that would be still very interested if they are still in the country, how do you get everyone aware of it though?

annlewis

redno.3 wrote: »

160 roughly I think, I'm sure a big bulk of that would be still very interested if they are still in the country, how do you get everyone aware of it though?

160 is quite alot of people. Could make up a class or 2 classes of 80.
Well if they wanted to know..a phone call wouldnt be difficult or an email or a letter to which we need to reply to which would confirm we are in the country or still interested.

redno.3

Section_4 wrote: »

I sympathise with your position however asking anybody to effect a positive outcome in a competition on your behalf is the definition of canvassing. Regardless of the state of advancement of the panel and your position on it by writing a letter such as the one you described means you will be engaging in canvassing and are open to all it's unwanted consequences.

I am not trying to discourage you from advancing your case but I maintain that getting in contact with Garda HRM, via a registered letter, and establishing the status of, and future plans for, your panel is the most viable course of action to pursue. All the more power if they receive numerous registered letters from the many people on the panel.

Thanks again for the advice! The more I think of it it would be canvassing to try and contact the minister or the commissioner! You don't see it like that I suppose when you have done everthing required of you previously!

Would it be the same (canvassing) to ask HRM to consider our position and ask for that chance to redo whatever is asked of us by forwarding our letters to the commissioner?

Section_4

redno.3 wrote: »

Thanks again for the advice! The more I think of it it would be canvassing to try and contact the minister or the commissioner! You don't see it like that I suppose when you have done everthing required of you previously!

Would it be the same (canvassing) to ask HRM to consider our position and ask for that chance to redo whatever is asked of us by forwarding our letters to the commissioner?

No bother.

Unfortunately asking anyone to interfere in the competition with a view to influencing an outcome in your favour is canvassing, regardless of their position or connection to the competition. Even going into your local station and asking the Sgt, whom you know since you were a child, to call HRM to consider your position is canvassing. You'll find recruitment for public sector agencies is tightly controlled to prevent canvassing from occurring as it is a very big ethical no no and classed as corruption by external auditors.

As I said the most practicable course of action would be to send a register letter to the Cheif Supt or AC in charge of Garda HRM and ask them to clarify your position on the panel and the organisations intentions regarding its use in the forthcoming recruitment campaign. While this may be frustrating to do at least you will receive clarity as to where you stand and what that position is likely to materialise into.

Before anybody jumps on this please remember I am not expressing an opinion as to whether the panel established during the last recruitment drive is / is not suitable for use in any future recruitment, I'm just advising against potentially disqualifying oneself from that and any future competition.

redno.3

Section_4 wrote: »

No bother.

Unfortunately asking anyone to interfere in the competition with a view to influencing an outcome in your favour is canvassing, regardless of their position or connection to the competition. Even going into your local station and asking the Sgt, whom you know since you were a child, to call HRM to consider your position is canvassing. You'll find recruitment for public sector agencies is tightly controlled to prevent canvassing from occurring as it is a very big ethical no no and classed as corruption by external auditors.

As I said the most practicable course of action would be to send a register letter to the Cheif Supt or AC in charge of Garda HRM and ask them to clarify your position on the panel and the organisations intentions regarding its use in the forthcoming recruitment campaign. While this may be frustrating to do at least you will receive clarity as to where you stand and what that position is likely to materialise into.

Before anybody jumps on this please remember I am not expressing an opinion as to whether the panel established during the last recruitment drive is / is not suitable for use in any future recruitment, I'm just advising against potentially disqualifying oneself from that and any future competition.

I understand completely!

I would call anyone on the panel still interested in the career to write that letter to the head of HRM to seek clarification!

The more letters obviously the more it will be brought to their attention!

It's the last chance we have but one way or another I just want an end to the situation!

The recruitment process is starting again soon so let's make sure we did all we could in the last campaign to merit becoming a Garda recruit which we all greatly desired as a career!

thekopend

No matter what ye say or do it will be the minister/commissioners job to decide at the end of the day and what they say goes so I don't think there is any point trying to convince them to do anything. But looking for confirmation on their decision is grand.

Garda interview solutions

Recruitment is being announced at the end of this month / start of October.

A competitive process, large number of applicants, preparation is key


https://www.facebook.com/pages/Garda-Interview-Solutions/505887492833980

redno.3

thekopend wrote: »

No matter what ye say or do it will be the minister/commissioners job to decide at the end of the day and what they say goes so I don't think there is any point trying to convince them to do anything. But looking for confirmation on their decision is grand.

I'm not trying to convince them, I just want clarification, thanks!

thekopend

redno.3 wrote: »

I just rang the G.R.A today and the advice I got was to write two letters, one directly to the commissioner and one directly to the minister for justice stating our situation and basically ask him to consider giving us our deserved chance!

If as many as possible from the panel could do that then at least we can't say we didn't do all we could and be able to move on and put it behind us

Well you must have forgot what you said here so!! This is not asking for clarification.

oreilly94

some of you guy may have been on the panel ect but you have to see why they wouldnt take the panel on? its old some of you may not even pass the medical now , yous could have got a criminal record now who knows? and im sure they dont want that hassel in an old panel while they could recruit the best now with the amount of people interested.though i do know why you's would be angry as you's did earn you spot in the guards and now its basically stolen back off yous

redno.3

thekopend wrote: »

Well you must have forgot what you said here so!! This is not asking for clarification.

Thanks for the positive contribution!

Are / were you on the panel, are you in the guards or are you thinking of applying?

Canyon86

Going a bit off topic but it looks like the PNSI are recruiting 19th sept:)

thekopend

redno.3 wrote: »

Thanks for the positive contribution!

Are / were you on the panel, are you in the guards or are you thinking of applying?

Well it's not a negative contribution, I'm only making my point on it and that is I don't think the advice u got from gra was very good, there Is the whole canvassing side to it too. I'm going to apply.

annlewis

Canyon86 wrote: »

Going a bit off topic but it looks like the PNSI are recruiting 19th sept:)

You going to apply for the PSNI Canyon ?

Canyon86

annlewis wrote: »

You going to apply for the PSNI Canyon ?

hi annlewis,

Yep I d say so, Are you?

I know you were on the previous panel ?

Im just trying to keep my options open, huge numbers applying for AGS as we all know lol

annlewis

Canyon86 wrote: »

hi annlewis,

Yep I d say so, Are you?

Im just trying to keep my options open, huge numbers applying for AGS as we all know lol

To be honest, no. Not going to apply for the psni.
How's your driving going ? Do you need any of the other new requirements?

Canyon86

annlewis wrote: »

To be honest, no. Not going to apply for the psni.
How's your driving going ? Do you need any of the other new requirements?

Ah cool Ann,

Driving going well.Im getting the lessons but still need a few weeks,

I have everything else wrapped up, swimming and ecdl done recently,

Do you reckon they ll come in to effect?

I hope they don;'t but I understand why they might lol

Mr Simpson

Canyon86 wrote: »

Ah cool Ann,

Driving going well.Im getting the lessons but still need a few weeks,

I have everything else wrapped up, swimming and ecdl done recently,

Do you reckon they ll come in to effect?

I hope they don;'t but I understand why they might lol

What kind of swimming cert did you do?

Canyon86

Mr Simpson wrote: »

What kind of swimming cert did you do?

Hi Simpson,

I just did 8 weeks intermediate lessons by my local Aura,
Its nothing major or fancy but a cert still,

It was the best I could fit in at short notice

annlewis

Canyon86 wrote: »

Ah cool Ann,

Driving going well.Im getting the lessons but still need a few weeks,

I have everything else wrapped up, swimming and ecdl done recently,

Do you reckon they ll come in to effect?

I hope they don;'t but I understand why they might lol

Fair play to ye that's brill news ! Delighted. Ive the requirements almost sorted. Almost ! The ecdl is thrownig mw off though. There's a few stages to that isn't there ?
I could see why they might come into effect, to reduce numbers applying and that. It will show you're interested defo if you did all the bits required. Im not sure. No harm to have them done anyway cause they always look good on a cv

redno.3

thekopend wrote: »

Well it's not a negative contribution, I'm only making my point on it and that is I don't think the advice u got from gra was very good, there Is the whole canvassing side to it too. I'm going to apply.

Good stuff!

Correct I was badly advised and then I was well advised by somebody else!

I'm on board for the new campaign but just seeking clarity from the last one!

Does anyone know if the Garda Interview Solutions one day course is worth doing, would they have the new criteria for this upcoming campaign?

Mr Simpson

Canyon86 wrote: »

Hi Simpson,

I just did 8 weeks intermediate lessons by my local Aura,
Its nothing major or fancy but a cert still,

It was the best I could fit in at short notice

I'm finding it difficult to find an accredited course in Dublin. I can swim, just reckon I'll need a cert to back it up

thekopend

Mr Simpson wrote: »

I'm finding it difficult to find an accredited course in Dublin. I can swim, just reckon I'll need a cert to back it up

Iv a cert from the Irish water safety authority. I recon that will be plenty good

Canyon86

Mr Simpson wrote: »

I'm finding it difficult to find an accredited course in Dublin. I can swim, just reckon I'll need a cert to back it up

If you can swim you should be fine id say it is one of the less likely ones to be introduced,

Id say driving and first aid would be the main ones most relevant if they were intoduced, imo