Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

tismesoitis · 19-02-2016 12:26pm

I used a lot of SFL a few years back maybe 40 or 50 straws. A bit hit and miss re quality. Very easy calves but thing that pissed me off the most with this bull is we had 2 dwarf calves born by him they came into very small money at a bit age ,total screws!! Found out afterwards that SFL carries the dwarfism gene. Imo he should never have stood in AI with this!!

Kovu · 19-02-2016 12:31pm

VMP is a favourite of mine @ 8.3%, brings nice bone too. Have stuck him on my BA cow heifer

All our WTB calves were slaughtered under 16 months, he's a bit more difficult calving though.

tismesoitis wrote: »

I used a lot of SFL a few years back maybe 40 or 50 straws. A bit hit and miss re quality. Very easy calves but thing that pissed me off the most with this bull is we had 2 dwarf calves born by him they came into very small money at a bit age ,total screws!! Found out afterwards that SFL carries the dwarfism gene. Imo he should never have stood in AI with this!!

Lol. I think that was my very first post on boards! Complaining about SFL and dwarf calves. Have one that's a bit iffy this year too, was born in August and never thrived right.

RobinBanks · 19-02-2016 4:10pm

Kovu wrote: »

VMP is a favourite of mine @ 8.3%, brings nice bone too. Have stuck him on my BA cow heifer

I remember you talking about this bull. What is he crossing well on? Did you try Germinal? God he left some serious calves here. Crossed really well on plain R grade Lim cows. Pity he is gone now.

Kovu · 19-02-2016 4:41pm

RobinBanks wrote: »

I remember you talking about this bull. What is he crossing well on? Did you try Germinal? God he left some serious calves here. Crossed really well on plain R grade Lim cows. Pity he is gone now.

Have crossed him with lowish built pb limos and got lovely calves. A lad I poll calves for used him on blacks and got nice calves but lacking a bit of style as they came fully black. Never used Germinal, every time I asked the AI man hadn't got him so I gave up and didn't ask again

GiantPencil · 22-02-2016 5:50pm

Long time viewer, first time poster!

I've a purebred Saler cow who's given me purebred bulls the last 3 years in a row. She's due to calve end of spring and if it's another bull I'm going to try and see what I'll get if I cross her with a charolais - the golden hair is what's helping me make that decision!

Just wanted to get some comments as to a good charolais ai bull to use?

Bigbird1 · 23-02-2016 9:11pm

GiantPencil wrote: »

Long time viewer, first time poster!

I've a purebred Saler cow who's given me purebred bulls the last 3 years in a row. She's due to calve end of spring and if it's another bull I'm going to try and see what I'll get if I cross her with a charolais - the golden hair is what's helping me make that decision!

Just wanted to get some comments as to a good charolais ai bull to use?

What ai company do u use.?

I have used lanzac in the past from dovea genetics,he gone now but Ecolo looks a good bull too. They are both culard charolais

GiantPencil · 23-02-2016 9:28pm

Bigbird1 wrote: »

What ai company do u use.?

I have used lanzac in the past from dovea genetics,he gone now but Ecolo looks a good bull too. They are both culard charolais

Have access to all the major ai providers, used a Culard Charolais from Bova before called Dakar, gave me a fine bull calf but would have liked more muscle all the same. I'm leaning towards using LGL seeing as he is proven. Has anyone got any experience from using him?

patsy_mccabe · 23-02-2016 10:53pm

GiantPencil wrote: »

Have access to all the major ai providers, used a Culard Charolais from Bova before called Dakar, gave me a fine bull calf but would have liked more muscle all the same. I'm leaning towards using LGL seeing as he is proven. Has anyone got any experience from using him?

I've used LGL on about 6 cows last year. I think I had to pull 4 of them. All lived but I'd be reluctant to use him again on any cow on the narrow side. Apart from calving hard to fault him.

GiantPencil · 24-02-2016 2:46pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I've used LGL on about 6 cows last year. I think I had to pull 4 of them. All lived but I'd be reluctant to use him again on any cow on the narrow side. Apart from calving hard to fault him.

Thanks for the input! Hoping the fact she's a mature Saler cow will help calving wise. Is GHX still available? I know he's no longer around around but are straws still floating around?

essgee268 · 24-02-2016 3:37pm

What about CSQ. great cattle I would gladly use on a saler

GiantPencil · 24-02-2016 4:53pm

essgee268 wrote: »

What about CSQ. great cattle I would gladly use on a saler

His calving is worse than LGL, think I'll go LGL for now and see how we get on. If all ends up ok I'll know that I can push the calving difficulty a bit more! Thanks all for the input

adne · 24-02-2016 4:58pm

GiantPencil wrote: »

His calving is worse than LGL, think I'll go LGL for now and see how we get on. If all ends up ok I'll know that I can push the calving difficulty a bit more! Thanks all for the input

Have used LGL a bit the last few years, leaves great solid cattle, low centered, all todate have finished out as U's.
Definitely needs a little watching at calving though.

Bigbird1 · 24-02-2016 8:40pm

Mozart (MZT) in my opinion is a very underated bull.

Breeds super compact cattle
Bad pic in catalogue.

GiantPencil · 25-02-2016 12:39am

Bigbird1 wrote: »

Mozart (MZT) in my opinion is a very underated bull.

Breeds super compact cattle
Bad pic in catalogue.

Straws must be getting scarce for him? He's less and less cattle to his name as each ICBF update goes out

adne · 25-02-2016 10:45am

Bigbird1 wrote: »

Mozart (MZT) in my opinion is a very underated bull.

Breeds super compact cattle
Bad pic in catalogue.

Found him very inconsistent, seems to work best on taller cows

Rabbit1989 · 25-02-2016 1:08pm

Hello folks,

I have 10 SBU Sliabhbhui Price 2nd straws, a deceased SH bull whose semen is no longer available, a highly respected bull.

I have been informed not to waste them on the commercial herd.

Does anyone have any experience or input on what would be a good course of action for them?

Regards,

Michael

bogman_bass · 25-02-2016 1:40pm

its actually illegal to sell straws farm to farm. you could chance it but you could be getting yourself in trouble if you get caught

Rabbit1989 · 25-02-2016 1:45pm

No No I don't want to sell them, i want to use them for myself, just want advice.

croot · 25-02-2016 1:51pm

Rabbit1989 wrote: »

Hello folks,

I have 10 SBU Sliabhbhui Price 2nd straws, a deceased SH bull whose semen is no longer available, a highly respected bull.

I have been informed not to waste them on the commercial herd.

Does anyone have any experience or input on what would be a good course of action for them?

Regards,

Michael

He's not available commercially but I'd say he is still for pedigree breeders.

I used him up to last year on lim or Ch heifers. Never a problem calving and the heifer calves are good from that type of cross.

Farrell · 25-02-2016 2:22pm

bogman_bass wrote: »

its actually illegal to sell straws farm to farm. you could chance it but you could be getting yourself in trouble if you get caught

If it's illegal, how come there's adds on DD with people selling?

Bullocks · 25-02-2016 3:18pm

Anyone buying the cheap straws from ICBF ? Any of them standing out as a good bull to chance ?

GiantPencil · 25-02-2016 3:29pm

Bullocks wrote: »

Anyone buying the cheap straws from ICBF ? Any of them standing out as a good bull to chance ?

Do you mean the new Gene Ireland bulls for Spring? If so, I like the look of those 2 CH imports but they have feck all reliability even though the ai companies say they're doing the business in France

Bullocks · 25-02-2016 3:44pm

GiantPencil wrote: »

Do you mean the new Gene Ireland bulls for Spring? If so, I like the look of those 2 CH imports but they have feck all reliability even though the ai companies say they're doing the business in France

Could be gene ireland, I must look at the letter again . I wonder how did last year's bulls do ?

Canaryblue · 25-02-2016 4:02pm

GiantPencil wrote: »

Do you mean the new Gene Ireland bulls for Spring? If so, I like the look of those 2 CH imports but they have feck all reliability even though the ai companies say they're doing the business in France

Neither of those bulls are index bulls in France, so anyone who says 'they're doing the business in France' is lying.
However Jarret is out of Artois who has over 23,000 calves born off him in France, and has above average growth and is easy calving. Not the flashiest of bulls though.

Feck all known about Indiscret other than he goes back to Pinay. I'd be cautious about using him to be honest.

GiantPencil · 25-02-2016 4:10pm

Canaryblue wrote: »

Neither of those bulls are index bulls in France, so anyone who says 'they're doing the business in France' is lying.
However Jarret is out of Artois who has over 23,000 calves born off him in France, and has above average growth and is easy calving. Not the flashiest of bulls though.

Feck all known about Indiscret other than he goes back to Pinay. I'd be cautious about using him to be honest.

In that case so there isn't anything catching my eye with the new catalogue. The photo's are never anything spectacular either so I usually give them a search in the ICBF database to see what their linear scoring was like in order to give myself some idea as to how they rate within the breed

Canaryblue · 25-02-2016 4:28pm

GiantPencil wrote: »

In that case so there isn't anything catching my eye with the new catalogue. The photo's are never anything spectacular either so I usually give them a search in the ICBF database to see what their linear scoring was like in order to give myself some idea as to how they rate within the breed

Polar Joe 2 isn't a bad bull, the picture isn't great but he scored reasonably well at a young age

GiantPencil · 25-02-2016 5:04pm

Canaryblue wrote: »

Polar Joe 2 isn't a bad bull, the picture isn't great but he scored reasonably well at a young age

He was the bull I had in my head when I wrote the post! His stature reminded me of a belgian blue so I thought it'd be worthwhile to check his scoring. Surprised that he was hitting 10/15 for all but 1 muscle index and only had a end score of 104.

Only ever seen one bull score 15/15 for a muscle index and that was Clenagh Hank(KCH). He has great breeding in him

Canaryblue · 25-02-2016 5:44pm

GiantPencil wrote: »

He was the bull I had in my head when I wrote the post! His stature reminded me of a belgian blue so I thought it'd be worthwhile to check his scoring. Surprised that he was hitting 10/15 for all but 1 muscle index and only had a end score of 104.

Only ever seen one bull score 15/15 for a muscle index and that was Clenagh Hank(KCH). He has great breeding in him

Best all round scoring I've seen in Goldstar Hugo 2, he went on to become the junior champion at the Royal Highland show.

GiantPencil · 25-02-2016 6:28pm

Canaryblue wrote: »

Best all round scoring I've seen in Goldstar Hugo 2, he went on to become the junior champion at the Royal Highland show.

Absolutely cracking scoring there, never seen a bull score that well before across all 3 categories!

Bigbird1 · 25-02-2016 8:17pm

GiantPencil wrote: »

He was the bull I had in my head when I wrote the post! His stature reminded me of a belgian blue so I thought it'd be worthwhile to check his scoring. Surprised that he was hitting 10/15 for all but 1 muscle index and only had a end score of 104.

Only ever seen one bull score 15/15 for a muscle index and that was Clenagh Hank(KCH). He has great breeding in him

How did clenagh hank breed after, anyone use him ?

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