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Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

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    #782
    Mad4simmental
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Mad4simmental


    ALANC81 wrote: »
    Enrico is a good bull we got €4,000 for a bull by him 2 weeks ago. ZAG should be very good the breeding is there anyway. Gigalo is another good bull. Look at Ampertaine Commander, Honduras, TVR, On dit, Cerberus, FTY and Forman just to name a few.

    All those bulls will give you quality cattle and all bar TVR are suitable for heifers.

    What age was the bull you sold?


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    #783
    ALANC81
    Registered Users Posts: 182 ✭✭ALANC81


    Mad4simmental wrote: »
    What age was the bull you sold?

    18 months


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    #784
    Mad4simmental
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Mad4simmental


    ALANC81 wrote: »
    18 months

    Nice, but you'd want it all the same.


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    #785
    ALANC81
    Registered Users Posts: 182 ✭✭ALANC81


    Mad4simmental wrote: »
    Nice, but you'd want it all the same.

    You would but he wasn't pushed he was on grass and only getting 10Lbs of barley and bean mix per day for 3 months before sale.


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    #786
    Farrell
    Registered Users Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Farrell


    ALANC81 wrote: »
    You would but he wasn't pushed he was on grass and only getting 10Lbs of barley and bean mix per day for 3 months before sale.
    What sort of ratio do you use? Would you give anything else?
    Sorry for all the questions


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    #787
    Farrell
    Registered Users Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Farrell


    ruben37 wrote: »
    Can I PM you her pedigree?
    No point, I've realised recently that I know damn all, Bulls I like have poor ratings. There is a few guys here who seam good. I like this thread & the ones on Charolais bull to give insight.
    Is she an upgraded ped if she has BF background?


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    #788
    bogman_bass
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    Any of you pedigree LM boys think of using FL21 again?


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    #789
    Future Farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭Future Farmer


    MeheeHohee wrote: »
    Anyone have any suggestions for Pedigree limousine cows, not happy with my calves from last yr. Have been looking at Wilodge Enrico, VDT, ZAG and Ampertaine Gigolo any one have any experience with these? Looking for a well muscled Bull

    Why would you use Wilodge Enrico, VDT, ZAG and Ampertaine Gigolo (easy calving heifer bulls - more or less)?

    If you want more muscle would GWO Day or Cameos not suit you better?


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    #790
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,238 ✭✭✭tanko


    bogman_bass wrote: »
    Any of you pedigree LM boys think of using FL21 again?

    As commercial cows, do his daughters have any milk?


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    #791
    Future Farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭Future Farmer


    ALANC81 wrote: »
    Enrico is a good bull we got €4,000 for a bull by him 2 weeks ago. ZAG should be very good the breeding is there anyway. Gigalo is another good bull. Look at Ampertaine Commander, Honduras, TVR, On dit, Cerberus, FTY and Forman just to name a few.

    All those bulls will give you quality cattle and all bar TVR are suitable for heifers.

    That's what you want!

    FTY Dead - Terminal Sire only - poor on docility - according to Progressive Genetics

    Rosalish Goulding has said that On Dit ONI is not a heifers bull.


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    #792
    ALANC81
    Registered Users Posts: 182 ✭✭ALANC81


    Future Farmer wrote: »
    That's what you want!

    FTY Dead - Terminal Sire only - poor on docility - according to Progressive Genetics

    Rosalish Goulding has said that On Dit ONI is not a heifers bull.

    FTY as in Lennon Frosty dead- Terminal sire only? That's a load of crap anyway. Any calves we have by him were no more than 30kgs born and grow well afterwards. Calves can be a little flighty for a while but they do calm down with age. He is easy calving and a plus for milk.

    ON-DIT not a heifers bull why he is 5.5% for calving difficulty with a material index of 151.
    I've seen to many heifers calves by ON-DIT to be told other wise.


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    #793
    ALANC81
    Registered Users Posts: 182 ✭✭ALANC81


    Farrell wrote: »
    What sort of ratio do you use? Would you give anything else?
    Sorry for all the questions

    We mix 50/50 barley and beans and get a bag of minerals as well. We know nothing about mixing meal we just know that's working for now.


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    #794
    ALANC81
    Registered Users Posts: 182 ✭✭ALANC81


    Future Farmer wrote: »
    Why would you use Wilodge Enrico, VDT, ZAG and Ampertaine Gigolo (easy calving heifer bulls - more or less)?

    If you want more muscle would GWO Day or Cameos not suit you better?

    I'll answer that for you. He'd use those easy calving heifers bulls on cows because there good breeding bulls when used on cows and heifers. Easy calving does not mean they won't grow well.


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    #795
    Future Farmer
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    ALANC81 wrote: »
    FTY as in Lennon Frosty dead- Terminal sire only? That's a load of crap anyway. Any calves we have by him were no more than 30kgs born and grow well afterwards. Calves can be a little flighty for a while but they do calm down with age. He is easy calving and a plus for milk.

    ON-DIT not a heifers bull why he is 5.5% for calving difficulty with a material index of 151.
    I've seen to many heifers calves by ON-DIT to be told other wise.

    FTY -.4kg for milk (low reliability). 3 Star Replacement bull. I have seen great calves by high, but for me he is a terminal sire, docility is important.

    ONI's Calving Difficulty is based largely on pedigree breeders, and in general I do not trust the quality of the information they put in. He's a bull for breeding heifers not putting on heifers, we got our wires a little crossed.


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    #796
    Future Farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭Future Farmer


    ALANC81 wrote: »
    I'll answer that for you. He'd use those easy calving heifers bulls on cows because there good breeding bulls when used on cows and heifers. Easy calving does not mean they won't grow well.

    I know that Alan, but he said he wants more muscle & bulls for cows...


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    #797
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,738 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    ALANC81 wrote: »
    FTY as in Lennon Frosty dead- Terminal sire only? That's a load of crap anyway. Any calves we have by him were no more than 30kgs born and grow well afterwards. Calves can be a little flighty for a while but they do calm down with age. He is easy calving and a plus for milk....

    FTY is by Wilodge Cerberus. I have a Cerberus heifer in a shed at the moment and I have the door padlocked. No kidding, she's that crazy.:mad: I'm afraid someone will go in there.

    ICBF have FTY in the bottom 2% for docility, so stay well clear of him. Just not worth the hassle.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #798
    ALANC81
    Registered Users Posts: 182 ✭✭ALANC81


    Future Farmer wrote: »
    FTY -.4kg for milk (low reliability). 3 Star Replacement bull. I have seen great calves by high, but for me he is a terminal sire, docility is important.

    ONI's Calving Difficulty is based largely on pedigree breeders, and in general I do not trust the quality of the information they put in. He's a bull for breeding heifers not putting on heifers, we got our wires a little crossed.

    FTY is above the breed average for milk so he is a plus he's 4 stars. He's a Cerberus out of a lino cow so he should be good for milk.
    I can see his maternal index rising in the future.

    ON-DIT is fine on heifers plane and simple.
    The information is good.


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    #799
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,738 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    MeheeHohee wrote: »
    Anyone have any suggestions for Pedigree limousine cows, not happy with my calves from last yr. Have been looking at Wilodge Enrico, VDT, ZAG and Ampertaine Gigolo any one have any experience with these? Looking for a well muscled Bull

    What about Dinmore Goldcrest S1571. I haven't seen any calves yet but you have Vantastic and Ronick hawk in the breeding. Hawk should bring milk. Not the easiest for calving though.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #800
    Kovu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,241 ✭✭✭✭Kovu


    ALANC81 wrote: »
    FTY is above the breed average for milk so he is a plus he's 4 stars. He's a Cerberus out of a lino cow so he should be good for milk.
    I can see his maternal index rising in the future.

    Not if they're nutty as squirrel poo!

    Edited to add- I've heard very good things about Virginia Andy from the AI man, he's dear though, think €50 a straw.


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    #801
    ALANC81
    Registered Users Posts: 182 ✭✭ALANC81


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    FTY is by Wilodge Cerberus. I have a Cerberus heifer in a shed at the moment and I have the door padlocked. No kidding, she's that crazy.:mad: I'm afraid someone will go in there.

    ICBF have FTY in the bottom 2% for docility, so stay well clear of him. Just not worth the hassle.

    That's not good to here and she's as well in the factory if she's that bad.
    Honestly our FTY calves are nothing like that.


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    #802
    ALANC81
    Registered Users Posts: 182 ✭✭ALANC81


    Kovu wrote: »
    Not if they're nutty as squirrel poo!

    No but in general I don't think they are. We have an 18 month old bull, a 12 month old bull and 2 or 3 calves by FTY here and we haven't seen anything nutty about them. The 2 bulls can be scratched in the middle of the field no bother at all.


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    #803
    Future Farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭Future Farmer


    ALANC81 wrote: »
    No but in general I don't think they are. We have an 18 month old bull, a 12 month old bull and 2 or 3 calves by FTY here and we haven't seen anything nutty about them. The 2 bulls can be scratched in the middle of the field no bother at all.

    Patsy's heifer is by Cerberus not FTY in fairness, but docility is still the point.

    I look at across stars generally not within, FTY is a minus on milk. And he is 3 Star Replacement on Terminal Within and Across!

    Should LM breeders not be aiming for 20 Star Bulls, to sell to commercial men?

    ONI might suit a PB Heifer not a commercial.


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    #804
    ALANC81
    Registered Users Posts: 182 ✭✭ALANC81


    We are breeding quality stock. We're breeding pedigree cattle for the last 25 years and we know blood lines all I say is don't believe everything ICBF tells you. Just because it's on there site doesn't make it true.


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    #805
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,738 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Have you noticed that NCBC have taken FTY out of this years catalogue? What was the reason for that?

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #806
    Future Farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭Future Farmer


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Have you noticed that NCBC have taken FTY out of this years catalogue? What was the reason for that?

    He's dead


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    #807
    Future Farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭Future Farmer


    ALANC81 wrote: »
    We are breeding quality stock. We're breeding pedigree cattle for the last 25 years and we know blood lines all I say is don't believe everything ICBF tells you. Just because it's on there site doesn't make it true.

    Agree with you Alan, to a point, depending on reliability!

    But just because you have an opinion doesn't mean people have to agree and vice-versa.


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    #808
    ALANC81
    Registered Users Posts: 182 ✭✭ALANC81


    Future Farmer wrote: »
    Agree with you Alan, to a point, depending on reliability!

    But just because you have an opinion doesn't mean people have to agree and vice-versa.

    Agree 100% Future Farmer.
    Where did you here that FTY is dead and how?


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    #809
    Future Farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭Future Farmer


    ALANC81 wrote: »
    Agree 100% Future Farmer.
    Where did you here that FTY is dead and how?

    Was mentioned on PG Facebook page.


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    #810
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,238 ✭✭✭tanko


    ALANC81 wrote: »
    Agree 100% Future Farmer.
    Where did you here that FTY is dead and how?

    I think I read on the PG facebook page recently that he's dead. I think he got an injury and didn't recover. Right or wrong his poor docility figure put me off him.

    For what it's worth I think OZS breeds nice heifers from commercial cattle anyway.


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    #811
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,238 ✭✭✭tanko


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    What about Dinmore Goldcrest S1571. I haven't seen any calves yet but you have Vantastic and Ronick hawk in the breeding. Hawk should bring milk. Not the easiest for calving though.

    Savage looking bull but is he not €60 a straw or something like that?


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