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Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Sligoronan


    APZ off red limousine cow from a shorthorn cow.
    ADX off a AA cow off a BB cow.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Miname


    Sligoronan wrote: »
    APZ off red limousine cow from a shorthorn cow.
    ADX off a AA cow off a BB cow.

    I'd say it's the back breeding, they should make smashing replacements. Has anyone used lisnacran sunny boy or better again has anyone got a picture of him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Sligoronan


    Miname wrote: »
    I'd say it's the back breeding, they should make smashing replacements. Has anyone used lisnacran sunny boy or better again has anyone got a picture of him.

    Don't have space for them so they will down the road in 5 weeks. Started them on crunch 3 weeks ago as they are late March early April calves and wont weigh to much every kg counts at the ring.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Mad4simmental


    Miname wrote: »
    I'd say it's the back breeding, they should make smashing replacements. Has anyone used lisnacran sunny boy or better again has anyone got a picture of him.

    not one to be found, bit strange.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Miname


    not one to be found, bit strange.

    All pics of his progeny and none of him, anyone know the reason.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭Limestone Cowboy


    Zbf bull calf born early February out of a lim x British friesan cow. At least 350kg now without any meal.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,241 ✭✭✭✭Kovu


    I really don't like simmentals :((


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 574 ✭✭✭ZETOR_IS_BETTER


    Zbf bull calf born early February out of a lim x British friesan cow. At least 350kg now without any meal.

    Lovely animal :) was he easily calved?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Miname


    Kovu wrote: »
    I really don't like simmentals :((

    You have to admit they make serious cows.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭Mac Taylor


    Miname wrote: »
    You have to admit they make serious cows.

    A Simmental x ch cow is hard to beat. Have a few of them and they breed very well with the LM.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Miname


    Mac Taylor wrote: »
    A Simmental x ch cow is hard to beat. Have a few of them and they breed very well with the LM.

    A sim cross limo you get a bit more style. I've a Ba x sim at home rears a cracking calf every year.


  • Registered Users Posts: 451 ✭✭mikeoh


    New PG angus bull treebridge embleton carries the double muscle gene!!!!!,....... time for a dna test


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,241 ✭✭✭✭Kovu


    Miname wrote: »
    You have to admit they make serious cows.

    They take so much feeding though!


  • Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭eoinmk2


    Kovu wrote: »
    They take so much feeding though!

    Does anyone know any actual statistics on suckler cow intakes?

    I hear this "take too much feeding" a lot. is it just farmer hear say, or have any actual studies been done?

    I'm not arguing they dont eat more, would just like to see some figures. genuinely curious


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 574 ✭✭✭ZETOR_IS_BETTER


    eoinmk2 wrote: »
    Does anyone know any actual statistics on suckler cow intakes?

    I hear this "take too much feeding" a lot. is it just farmer hear say, or have any actual studies been done?

    I'm not arguing they dont eat more, would just like to see some figures. genuinely curious

    I scratch my head when people say they eat more :confused:
    I have sims, lim and hereford, FRxherf and the odd chx and I can say I notice no difference between them. Although I will say that the herefords are greedy feckers at the nut trough. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,944 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    eoinmk2 wrote: »
    Does anyone know any actual statistics on suckler cow intakes?

    I hear this "take too much feeding" a lot. is it just farmer hear say, or have any actual studies been done?

    I'm not arguing they dont eat more, would just like to see some figures. genuinely curious

    Ya, ICBF have a 'Feed Intake' value for all the breeds.

    Limousin = -0.47
    Saler = -0.28
    Charolais = -0.04
    Angus = 0.2
    Simmental = 0.40


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 574 ✭✭✭ZETOR_IS_BETTER


    Ya, ICBF have a 'Feed Intake' value for all the breeds.

    Limousin = -0.47
    Saler = -0.28
    Charolais = -0.04
    Angus = 0.2
    Simmental = 0.40

    Interesting figures, must keep a closer eye on the sims this winter


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Mad4simmental


    Ya, ICBF have a 'Feed Intake' value for all the breeds.

    Limousin = -0.47
    Saler = -0.28
    Charolais = -0.04
    Angus = 0.2
    Simmental = 0.40


    So lim eat more?
    I'd say there is fcuk all between a 600kg ch, lim, sim. The cow with the most milk will require more feed to produce that milk but the calf will put on more KGs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,944 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    So lim eat more?

    You wish.:D No Limousins eat less.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Bullocks


    I've one sim cow and her head is always down eating compared to the AA or lim cows . I still like them as a breed and LCs weanling in a smasher .
    Do they take a bit longer to finish over lims and ch cattle . It probably doesn't suit to buy them if they are older and heavier than what's wanted in the factory


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭Limestone Cowboy


    Lovely animal :) was he easily calved?

    He's belong to the girlfriends father, ya she calved herself.


  • Registered Users Posts: 402 ✭✭J DEERE


    I scratch my head when people say they eat more :confused:
    I have sims, lim and hereford, FRxherf and the odd chx and I can say I notice no difference between them. Although I will say that the herefords are greedy feckers at the nut trough. :pac:

    Without a doubt they eat more. We've kept them all now at this stage and can honestly say the lim is the easiest kept cow of the lot. Easy keep in condition over the winter and rear a calf at same time.

    FRX have a tendency to fall apart if autumn calving and need serious supplementation if you want to keep them at 365 calving interval. Also need to be weaned that bit earlier if spring calved to give them a chance put on some condition before heading in


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Miname


    J DEERE wrote: »
    Without a doubt they eat more. We've kept them all now at this stage and can honestly say the lim is the easiest kept cow of the lot. Easy keep in condition over the winter and rear a calf at same time.

    FRX have a tendency to fall apart if autumn calving and need serious supplementation if you want to keep them at 365 calving interval. Also need to be weaned that bit earlier if spring calved to give them a chance put on some condition before heading in

    I've a few limo x fr and the early autumn Calvers I've no issue with going back in calf and they do milk off their backs and look pretty hungry in the spring. The late autumn Calvers always end up in bits and pure hassle to try and get back in calf and rear the calf. I reckon a lots to do with the extra 5 or 6 weeks grass their getting into them before housing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 402 ✭✭J DEERE


    Miname wrote: »
    I've a few limo x fr and the early autumn Calvers I've no issue with going back in calf and they do milk off their backs and look pretty hungry in the spring. The late autumn Calvers always end up in bits and pure hassle to try and get back in calf and rear the calf. I reckon a lots to do with the extra 5 or 6 weeks grass their getting into them before housing.

    When do you calf early autumn Calvers? I've noticed a lot of farmers have different ideas of what autumn calving is. We go from August-October with heifers calving that bit earlier in July. Few lads around here calve from November and consider them Autumn calves


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Miname


    J DEERE wrote: »
    When do you calf early autumn Calvers? I've noticed a lot of farmers have different ideas of what autumn calving is. We go from August-October with heifers calving that bit earlier in July. Few lads around here calve from November and consider them Autumn calves
    August September time. Bulls getting eight weeks this year then held off and back in in for dec January and February calving. My calving spread is all over the place. I've four in to calve at the moment and then nothing for a month . Then there's seven between that and the early spring ones. It's a nightmare, I'm going to let some slip from autumn to spring this year and I've kept the last two from spring to go autumn. Anything I don't like that hasn't gone in calf is getting gate.
    The October November cows with a bit of friesain melt altogether but then again I should be probably stuffing them with meal.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 402 ✭✭J DEERE


    Miname wrote: »
    August September time. Bulls getting eight weeks this year then held off and back in in for dec January and February calving. My calving spread is all over the place. I've four in to calve at the moment and then nothing for a month . Then there's seven between that and the early spring ones. It's a nightmare, I'm going to let some slip from autumn to spring this year and I've kept the last two from spring to go autumn. Anything I don't like that hasn't gone in calf is getting gate.
    The October November cows with a bit of friesain melt altogether but then again I should be probably stuffing them with meal.

    Much the same here. Went all AI three years ago and some of the Spring Calvers fell into April and May. Made the decision this year to let them run to the autumn herd. Badly need a teaser bull


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Farrell


    Got the latest catalogues yesterday, is it just me or are S1565 (Eurogene) & CH2199 (PG) the same bull?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,944 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Farrell wrote: »
    Got the latest catalogues yesterday, is it just me or are S1565 (Eurogene) & CH2199 (PG) the same bull?

    If you put S1565 into ICBF bull search, it goes to the page for CH2199. So I guess so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Farrell


    If you put S1565 into ICBF bull search, it goes to the page for CH2199. So I guess so.

    Hopefully he's a good breeder so, or are the all chasing maternal stars


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,080 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    If you put S1565 into ICBF bull search, it goes to the page for CH2199. So I guess so.


    Yeah He would have been brought in origionally on an "S code" which is limited to 2000 (I think) doses. When it looked like he would be more popular they had to apply for a full code


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭Mac Taylor


    I am trying to get organised for next years ai'ing and could do with a bit of advice, I have 4 lmxfr that I hope to AI next year, they are out of the limousin bull hca and cows are bfxhol 75%\25%. What bull would suit them ideally Limousin. Thanks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Miname


    Mac Taylor wrote: »
    I am trying to get organised for next years ai'ing and could do with a bit of advice, I have 4 lmxfr that I hope to AI next year, they are out of the limousin bull hca and cows are bfxhol 75%\25%. What bull would suit them ideally Limousin. Thanks.
    Not too up to date on ai limo but all I'll suggest is something with plenty of muscle. I've guinea pigged a fair few of these types of animals with various breeds and the best match seems to be a really muscly limo. Blonde comes too fine. I'd a charlaois from one today and he came way too big. There a bit hit and miss with char. Sp came nice enough but nothing fancy. Sh came ok if you got heifers, I got all Bulls. If I remember il post up pics if I remember when I'm checking them tomorrow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,944 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    I always found ADX to be a great bull to bring a lot of squareness to his offspring. His heifers don't grow the tallest though so avoid on small cows. FL21 is a good bull too. Not easy calving, but serious growth and great shape to the hips. My two pence anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭limo_100


    lads how our the ADX heifers getting on with breeding have two coming up just wondering should I sell them or bull in 6weeks??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,944 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    limo_100 wrote: »
    lads how our the ADX heifers getting on with breeding have two coming up just wondering should I sell them or bull in 6weeks??
    Lack of milk is the biggest problem. Only one calved here so far and she has very little milk. ICBF figures showing that too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 571 ✭✭✭croot


    Mac Taylor wrote: »
    I am trying to get organised for next years ai'ing and could do with a bit of advice, I have 4 lmxfr that I hope to AI next year, they are out of the limousin bull hca and cows are bfxhol 75%\25%. What bull would suit them ideally Limousin. Thanks.
    I have three ZAG calves off the same type of cow calved this month. All unassisted and growing well with good muscle. Very happy with them. He's 5* for both maternal and terminal but low reliability though so he might be 1* in a few months the way those things are going.


  • Registered Users Posts: 39 Andy Gray


    Mac Taylor wrote:
    I am trying to get organised for next years ai'ing and could do with a bit of advice, I have 4 lmxfr that I hope to AI next year, they are out of the limousin bull hca and cows are bfxhol 75%\25%. What bull would suit them ideally Limousin. Thanks.


    Are these maiden heifers? What are you looking to breed? Weanlings, replacements finished cattle? What ai company you deal with?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭Mac Taylor


    Andy Gray wrote: »
    Are these maiden heifers? What are you looking to breed? Weanlings, replacements finished cattle? What ai company you deal with?

    Sorry should have given a bit more Information. These are maiden heifers that I would like to breed replacements off, looking to add a bit of muscle and compactness to them as height will not be a problem, deal with most of the AI companies and a friendly AI man who will hold staws for me aswell. I do a bit of pedigree breeding and am fairly update on limousins, but have not ever breed from dairy xbreds so looking for advice from those who are already doing this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,295 ✭✭✭tanko


    Have you ever tried OZS? He's easy calved on cows and works well on bigger framed leggy cows, puts muscle, shape and style into them. I'll have some heifers off him calving to RIO in the spring hopefully.

    Just noticed you're talking about maiden heifers, have never used OZS on them. Maybe he'd be a bit risky on heifers.
    EBY seems to be well liked on here, easier calved, not great for milk but should be some coming from the heifers side.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Miname


    tanko wrote: »
    Have you ever tried OZS? He's easy calved on cows and works well on bigger framed leggy cows, puts muscle, shape and style into them. I'll have some heifers off him calving to RIO in the spring hopefully.

    Just noticed you're talking about maiden heifers, have never used OZS on them. Maybe he'd be a bit risky on heifers.
    EBY seems to be well liked on here, easier calved, not great for milk but should be some coming from the heifers side.

    I've used ozs and got Bulls on maidens. I think his straws are hard got now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭limo_100


    tanko wrote: »
    Have you ever tried OZS? He's easy calved on cows and works well on bigger framed leggy cows, puts muscle, shape and style into them. I'll have some heifers off him calving to RIO in the spring hopefully.

    Just noticed you're talking about maiden heifers, have never used OZS on them. Maybe he'd be a bit risky on heifers.
    EBY seems to be well liked on here, easier calved, not great for milk but should be some coming from the heifers side.

    I use OZS on maidens for the last few years with no trouble two weeks ago i calved 2 2year old maidens on the same day to him and got to bloody bulls :mad: i'm thinking of using on dit now instead of him


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Miname


    limo_100 wrote: »
    I use OZS on maidens for the last few years with no trouble two weeks ago i calved 2 2year old maidens on the same day to him and got to bloody bulls :mad: i'm thinking of using on dit now instead of him

    On dit is throwing super stock and wouldn't be hard calved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,944 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Miname wrote: »
    On dit is throwing super stock and wouldn't be hard calved.
    Have you seen his figures? proven in France too. I used him this year on a purebred cow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭annubis


    i see in the journo dovea have added wilodge joskin to the catalogue, fine looking bull whatever way he works out, they seemed to have improved their limo bulls alot


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,080 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    Have you seen his figures? proven in France too. I used him this year on a purebred cow.

    Serious bull! When the limo doc had him he was one of their top Bulls for a few years


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭Charliebull


    LZF, how accurate are his gestation figures, I have a doll due to him next Monday but looking at her this AM Id swear she will calve in the next few days

    what sort stock is he throwing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭limo_100


    Serious bull! When the limo doc had him he was one of their top Bulls for a few years

    just looking at the book there I wouldn't be to keen on some the new bulls like zag handsome and ice-cream or the tomschoice bulls, but the ZCH bull looks a serious animal I wonder should I use him instead of on-dit as hes a son


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭limo_100


    Just for anyone thats looking for quality bull I had an UTL heifer calf in the sping I didnt think an awful lot of her at the time but I can say now she is hands down one of the best heifers I have ever seen width and length feck the 5star scheme she will be kept


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,080 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    Anybody use much GWO?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 571 ✭✭✭croot


    Anybody use much GWO?

    I had 6 calves off him in the last two years. Terminal more that maternal I'd say. Great stylish calves that grow well. I sold two 15mth old heifers in spring for 1350 and 1250 so someone must have wanted them for breeding. I've only one weanling heifer off him kept but thinking of selling her.


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