Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

onyerbikepat

limo_100 wrote: »

i wouldnt bother with them theres better bulls out there than him KEZ AHC and ZBF if you really want them ring pg and see if there is any left

Ya, I reckon there's a lot better than IS4 out there too. No point paying big money for straws just because they are scarce.

Future Farmer

Nettleman wrote: »

If anybody knows where to get IS4 straws? PM me. Thanks

Nettleman - PM'd you

tanko

First KJB calf landed today, a bull calf off a CH cow at 297 days. Have a Limx cow at 296 days here as well. I know it's early days but does anyone else think he's going to be a bull that has a long gestation?

charolais0153

tanko wrote: »

First KJB calf landed today, a bull calf off a CH cow at 297 days. Have a Limx cow at 296 days here as well. I know it's early days but does anyone else think he's going to be a bull that has a long gestation?

What are the calfs like i have given him to a pb ch heifer this year r they long wide tall etc.

LivInt20

Genghis Cant wrote: »

You mentioned this before, am I wrong in thinking that when we register all calves we include either AI code or Bull code, both of which are fully traceable.
Essentially the tag number is known?

Include the sire.

All info from this animal can then be used by ICBF to improve €urostar indexes reliability.

Genghis Cant

Just looking at our calves today, of the AI sires we've used the best calf this year is an Equalizer heifer calf off a ped Ch cow. A super super calf, but not easy calved.
In 2nd place is a cracking Culard Ch calf again from a Pb Ch cow.

Farrell

Genghis Cant wrote: »

Just looking at our calves today, of the AI sires we've used the best calf this year is an Equalizer heifer calf off a ped Ch cow. A super super calf, but not easy calved.
In 2nd place is a cracking Culard Ch calf again from a Pb Ch cow.

FZM does bring a good package, what breeding is in the PB cows? can make a diffrrence.
Would the culard be LAO?

Genghis Cant

Farrell wrote: »

FZM does bring a good package, what breeding is in the PB cows? can make a diffrrence.
Would the culard be LAO?

Excellent Cow, Alcazar Cow, LAO is right. FZM brought some package alright. A monstrous big, wide heifer calf. I'll get a few pics together when they go out to grass.

onyerbikepat

Anyone calf down any Ardlea Dan (ADX) heifers yet. Wondering what they are like for milk. I have few heifers by him. I even have 3 from the same cow, 3 years in a row.

Farrell

Genghis Cant wrote: »

Excellent Cow, Alcazar Cow, LAO is right. FZM brought some package alright. A monstrous big, wide heifer calf. I'll get a few pics together when they go out to grass.

Good combinations there, cows should be tall & good width in those bulls.
FZM can throw the big (crossed on CEQ & LLX heifers), just watch diet the lsst 6 weeks.
With the right Dam, both of the bulls will deliver rosettes

Mad4simmental

LivInt20 wrote: »

Include the sire.

All info from this animal can then be used by ICBF to improve €urostar indexes reliability.

Where do I get the code for my stock bull to put him down on calf cards??
Iv looked around ibcf but can't find it.

Kovu

Do they not ask for either a code or a tag number? They do when registering new births online.

Mad4simmental

Kovu wrote: »

Do they not ask for either a code or a tag number? They do when registering new births online.

A bit old fashioned here kovu, still sending off the cards that cum with the tags ha. I must get onto this online stuff!

Kovu

Mad4simmental wrote: »

A bit old fashioned here kovu, still sending off the cards that cum with the tags ha. I must get onto this online stuff!

God I've no idea so. That's a bit of a slip up on the dept side. All that's on the card is AI code (if known) and breed. How are they tracking data with the bulls line then?

Genghis Cant

Mad4simmental wrote: »

Where do I get the code for my stock bull to put him down on calf cards??
Iv looked around ibcf but can't find it.

We have a Stock Bull too, and we assigned him a code. Say his number was ending with 599, we'd call him CH599 and stick that in for all his calves.

Mac Taylor

All, looking for a bit of advice, took delivery of my 4 lmx bf calves off the Munster AI bull hca. Very happy so far!! Looking to do the same again. I have done a bit of research but am struggling to find suitable Bulls with good realibility. Short gestation is key as is reasonable calving ease, less than 8%. Any advice or first hand experience would be appreciated. The obvious choice would be hca again but I'd prefer not to put all my eggs in one basket!

tanko

I've six calves off KJB so far and on average have carried 22 days past their due dates, from 17 to 26 days over 9 months.

What about OZS. I had 17 calves off him two years ago and on average they carried 14 days past the nine months. I think he breeds a nice heifer and his calves have good docility.

LivInt20

A cows due date is not 9 months after going in calf.

A cows gestation period is around 284 days.

tanko

LivInt20 wrote: »

A cows due date is not 9 months after going in calf.

A cows gestation period is around 284 days.

Yeah, I know that. Not everyone uses that 284 days etc.
If a cow is bulled on June 10th, I say her time is up on March 10th and if incalf to a limo on average I'd expect her to calve around March 27th give or take a week either side.

284 days might be the gestation period for cows carrying to a traditional breed like Herefords, Angus etc but it's more like 290 days for cows carrying Limousin Bulls.

onyerbikepat

How good are you at MS Excel?

Go into the ICBF site and download the Excel file from here;
http://www.icbf.com/?page_id=200

Create a table then and Sort & Filter the data.

onyerbikepat

This what I get for Calving Less than 8% (Rel >80%), Gestation then in the top 20% of breed (Rel > 80%). NCBC bulls only.
Not a lot!

If it was me, I'd go with FL21. I've only ever got bulls by him but they have always been super animals. Milk shouldn't be a concern if the cows are Dairy types.

Mac Taylor

onyerbikepat wrote: »

How good are you at MS Excel?

Go into the ICBF site and download the Excel file from here;
http://www.icbf.com/?page_id=200

Create a table then and Sort & Filter the data.

Unfortunately, the day job means I am not too bad as an Excel jockey:D:D

This is exactly what I was looking for but could not find. Thanks for that!!

Mac Taylor

onyerbikepat wrote: »

This what I get for Calving Less than 8% (Rel >80%), Gestation then in the top 20% of breed (Rel > 80%). NCBC bulls only.
Not a lot!

If it was me, I'd go with FL21. I've only ever got bulls by him but they have always been super animals. Milk shouldn't be a concern if the cows are Dairy types.

What was their docility like? Cheers

onyerbikepat

I used FL21 on just 2 cows here, but over a few years. Both cows were 1/2 bred from dairy cows, loads of milk and quiet. Unbelievable animals to grow. I think all were around the 400 kgs at 8/9 months. Great bone in them too and very square and big at the hips. I'd be very surprised if you didn't get nice heifers from him, to be honest. Hard to tell what his docility was like as cows were very quiet.

Have you an arrangement with a dairy farmer?

You could try Ardlea Dan aswell. Gestation is average for the Lim breed, but he produces very nice heifers, very square at the hips too.

Midlandsman80

PCH is a bull with serious maternal figures, am going to use him myself I i think, good heifers off him would be nice to have

onyerbikepat

Well my first ADX heifer calved today at 25 months. She calved 2 weeks before her time. A nice APZ heifer. She has very little milk but very quiet. Funny thing but she is out of a cow that's kinda wild but has loads of milk.

just do it

onyerbikepat wrote: »

Well my first ADX heifer calved today at 25 months. She calved 2 weeks before her time. A nice APZ heifer. She has very little milk but very quiet. Funny thing but she is out of a cow that's kinda wild but has loads of milk.

Congrats on the new arrival and potential future replacement! Did she calve herself? If you had her on restricted diet the milk will come with fresh grass.

With that breeding I reckon she's good maternal and terminal figures?

tripperman

Don't keep adx heifers as I'm in milk, but use adx on cows that wouldn't be suitable for friesan ai, my neighbour bought some of us and calves them down he says they are carrying 2/3 calves first laction, have more to move on shortly from him and oei and efz (elite flag)

onyerbikepat

just do it wrote: »

Congrats on the new arrival and potential future replacement! Did she calve herself? If you had her on restricted diet the milk will come with fresh grass.

With that breeding I reckon she's good maternal and terminal figures?

Ya calved on her own. I checked her that morning and thought the pins looked down but they didn't feel down. Got a surprise then when I arrived home. Had her out at grass too but she wasn't gone that big in the belly, so figured calf would be small. But you never know.
She's from a simmental cow i bought, Don't know her breeding but sh'e probably the best cow I have. Calves the first every year and always keeps in good condition with a great calf. The thing is I have 2 other ADX heifers from teh same cow, coming through too now and I'm wondering if they too will be short of milk.

Bodacious

Any of ye have many cows go over the 300 days ?

I've a lady 300 days today and not a gig out of her

tanko

Bodacious wrote: »

Any of ye have many cows go over the 300 days ?

I've a lady 300 days today and not a gig out of her

Had a limo cow carry 301 days to KJB last month, have a cow gone 294 days at the moment to QCD, looks like it'll be a few more days yet. What's yours carrying to?

limo_100

Bodacious wrote: »

Any of ye have many cows go over the 300 days ?

I've a lady 300 days today and not a gig out of her

I had a charolais cow go 309 days to a limousine bull and have a red angus cow up 299 to a lim bull at the minute shes in no hurry to drop him yet

Genghis Cant

Bodacious wrote: »

Any of ye have many cows go over the 300 days ?

I've a lady 300 days today and not a gig out of her

Anything with Blonde in her can carry 300 days handy enough. If you're happy enough otherwise, don't panic just yet.
At this stage, even a day can make a big difference to her.
Best of luck with her!

Bodacious

tanko wrote: »

Had a limo cow carry 301 days to KJB last month, have a cow gone 294 days at the moment to QCD, looks like it'll be a few more days yet. What's yours carrying to?

Mine is carrying to LGL the char, she a big limousin 3rd calver .. First 2 were OZS lim bull 290, bb heifer by BBQ 283.. LGL saying bout 290 on herdmate gestation on icbf.. She perfectly normal and softening well

Record here was 299 days but this lady going well past it, had a blonde calf go 298 last year also .. Hopefully all will be well

dh1985

Bodacious wrote: »

Mine is carrying to LGL the char, she a big limousin 3rd calver .. First 2 were OZS lim bull 290, bb heifer by BBQ 283.. LGL saying bout 290 on herdmate gestation on icbf.. She perfectly normal and softening well

Record here was 299 days but this lady going well past it, had a blonde calf go 298 last year also .. Hopefully all will be well

Had an LGL bull calf two weeks ago. Cow went 300 days. Nice calf but nothing to write home about either.

Bodacious

Genghis Cant wrote: »

Anything with Blonde in her can carry 300 days handy enough. If you're happy enough otherwise, don't panic just yet.
At this stage, even a day can make a big difference to her.
Best of luck with her!

301, good heifer calf up n sucking when i got to her

Genghis Cant

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ A heifer at 301 days....... I'd have lost money on that ;-)

Bodacious

Genghis Cant wrote: »

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ A heifer at 301 days....... I'd have lost money on that ;-)

I think she will get stq the bb as the char with her taking too long to cook!

Big calf though and she had no bother .. She calved a OZS bull calf as a heifer and set out so much effort in when I got to her she was at full stretch and when she got up she fell three times .. 10/10 for effort there!

tanko

Just wondering has anyone used Brookmill Vindicator (VDT) or Wilodge Enrico (WLZ) or know anything about them?

Limestone Cowboy

Have a sim cow standing here this evening. Had a root through the pot and found a few TIB Hereford straws. Anyone ever use him and how did ye find him? Found a few Rio straws aswell that I didn't know were there but don't think it would be a great cross with a sim. Might chance him on one or two of the shapier lims.

Mad4simmental

Have you any other straws? Not sure id use either tbh with a sim.

Limestone Cowboy

Mad4simmental wrote: »

Have you any other straws? Not sure id use either tbh with a sim.

I have loads of lim and Charolais. Had a good few Hereford x sim cows here years ago. Always liked them.

Mad4simmental

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

I have loads of lim and Charolais. Had a good few Hereford x sim cows here years ago. Always liked them.

I'd go ch. But I know what your saying I saw a few he x sim cows on one of the farms I got sim heifers and they were super cows. Depends if you want to keep one for a cow or move along as a weneling.

tanko

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Have a sim cow standing here this evening. Had a root through the pot and found a few TIB Hereford straws. Anyone ever use him and how did ye find him? Found a few Rio straws aswell that I didn't know were there but don't think it would be a great cross with a sim. Might chance him on one or two of the shapier lims.

Don't know anything about TIB, there was lots of HEX cows here years ago. They made great mothers, the biggest problem with them was too much milk for a calf and big udders when they got older. If the cow has a bit of size to her it wouldn't be a bad cross.
A Lim or a Ch like Fiston would be good too.
I'm putting RIO on heifers this year, have you any calves off him?

Limestone Cowboy

tanko wrote: »

Don't know anything about TIB, there was lots of HEX cows here years ago. They made great mothers, the biggest problem with them was too much milk for a calf and big udders when they got older. If the cow has a bit of size to her it wouldn't be a bad cross.
A Lim or a Ch like Fiston would be good too.
I'm putting RIO on heifers this year, have you any calves off him?

Had a couple 4 or 5 years ago, all Bulls and kept them to year and a halfs. My only experience of dealers but couldn't fault him, had no problem calving them.

bogman_bass

the netherhall herd in England are crossing hereford onto a lot of their PB lim cows now

Kovu

I've merged numerous threads on this subject (and will add more as I find them) just to try and keep all handy information in one easily searched thread.

jay gatsby

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Have a sim cow standing here this evening. Had a root through the pot and found a few TIB Hereford straws. Anyone ever use him and how did ye find him? Found a few Rio straws aswell that I didn't know were there but don't think it would be a great cross with a sim. Might chance him on one or two of the shapier lims.

Probably too late now for serving your Sim but TIB is Trillick and I found him a super bull. Mainly used for replacements but gave good conformation too we found. Now I'm talking good conformation for a hereford, mightn't compete with the lims and Chars but would be a right good cross with Sim if you got a heifer or two I'd reckon.

Just a note that we only have a small herd so thoughts are based on using him maybe half a dozen times.

danjoe

Looking for information if it is possible to collect semen from our stock bull before he is sent to factory,north Munster area Thanks

tanko

danjoe wrote: »

Looking for information if it is possible to collect semen from our stock bull before he is sent to factory,north Munster area Thanks

I'd imagine that would be an expensive business.
I suppose you could ring Munster Ai or Dovea genetics and see what they say.