Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

bogman_bass

tanko wrote: »

I'd imagine that would be an expensive business.
I suppose you could ring Munster Ai or Dovea genetics and see what they say.

They won't touch it with a 10 foot barge pole. Too much risk.

I think Coney Island genetics in Sligo do it. You can't sell any of the semen either

danjoe

bogman_bass wrote: »

They won't touch it with a 10 foot barge pole. Too much risk.

I think Coney Island genetics in Sligo do it. You can't sell any of the semen either

Thanks for that,was thinking of getting it done from bull for our own use only

mikeoh

danjoe wrote: »

Looking for information if it is possible to collect semen from our stock bull before he is sent to factory,north Munster area Thanks

I think Bova genetics in limerick offer this .........cant be much harder than fertility testing

mikeoh

I see irish angus soc. are raffling Bohey Jasper straws....e25 each to the names pulled out of a hat......................they also gave a list of old AA bulls with straws still available from PG/Munster....
http://postimg.org/image/o8qgwx13x/http://s6.postimg.org/uqefdjhsx/WIN_20150604_193225.jpg last bull on munster list ...rainbowhill independence ..............plenty 5* maternal bulls also

LivInt20

mikeoh wrote: »

I see irish angus soc. are raffling Bohey Jasper straws....e25 each to the names pulled out of a hat......................they also gave a list of old AA bulls with straws still available from PG/Munster....
http://postimg.org/image/o8qgwx13x/http://s6.postimg.org/uqefdjhsx/WIN_20150604_193225.jpg last bull on munster list ...rainbowhill independence ..............plenty 5* maternal bulls also

How do you go about getting some of these straws?

mikeoh

the Jasper straws are only being raffled between Irish Angus members the rest on the list can be got through your local Munster/PG rep who is listed on the back of the AI book or I say your local AI man could order them too.................................I see a bull there CYY he used to breed great cattle if I remember .... must pull out the old catalogues and resurrect a pic of him , I see he is 5* maternal & 4* terminal with 78% reliability ...no bull on the market with those proofs!!!

Fermboy

kay 9 wrote: »

Don't know simmental tbh

Anyone any calves off Simmental bull auroch dueter AHC?

wiggy123

did ya buy any of them straws mike??

tanko

Fermboy wrote: »

Anyone any calves off Simmental bull auroch dueter AHC?

Was he available last year? I think he only came out this year. He doesn't rate too well on the eurostars at very low reliability tho. I used APZ a bit and I'm sorry I ever heard of him. The fact he's easy calved is the only good thing I can say about him.

Fermboy

tanko wrote: »

Was he available last year? I think he only came out this year. He doesn't rate too well on the eurostars at very low reliability tho. I used APZ a bit and I'm sorry I ever heard of him. The fact he's easy calved is the only good thing I can say about him.

Used him last October on a few black limo cows…… should be calving in a few weeks

tanko

Fermboy wrote: »

Used him last October on a few black limo cows…… should be calving in a few weeks

Best of luck with him, you won't have to worry about dehorning anyway. Let us know how it goes.

Andy Gray

Fermboy wrote:

Used him last October on a few black limo cows…… should be calving in a few weeks

I'd be watching first few fairly close at calving time. Don't think he'll be a walk in the park!

tanko

Andy Gray wrote: »

I'd be watching first few fairly close at calving time. Don't think he'll be a walk in the park!

Do you think he might be hard enough calved?

Edit, just seen your reply in the other thread.

Durrus Boy

Lads and lassies,

Didn't want to go opening a new thread so popping this in here. Need to top the pot up with a maternal limousin ( or what's left of them:-P) - for the autumn calvers but not too sure who to use. Anyone have an opinion on Brooklands - Kjb. Seem to recall @Tanko may have had some this spring....

TIA

annubis

Durrus Boy wrote: »

Lads and lassies,

Didn't want to go opening a new thread so popping this in here. Need to top the pot up with a maternal limousin ( or what's left of them:-P) - for the autumn calvers but not too sure who to use. Anyone have an opinion on Brooklands - Kjb. Seem to recall @Tanko may have had some this spring....

TIA

have a few hopefully to calf to him this autumn but nothing landed yet, he is by ronick hawk though so should be good hopefully

mikeoh

I like EBY

Bullocks

mikeoh wrote: »

I like EBY

What's his figures like now ? I think I have a few heifers out of him , in fact I think the one that calved prematurely is out of him

tanko

Durrus Boy wrote: »

Lads and lassies,

Didn't want to go opening a new thread so popping this in here. Need to top the pot up with a maternal limousin ( or what's left of them:-P) - for the autumn calvers but not too sure who to use. Anyone have an opinion on Brooklands - Kjb. Seem to recall @Tanko may have had some this spring....

TIA

Yeah, have KJB calves here. Good points, easy calved on cows, brings muscle and shape. Temperament seems good so far.
Less good points, he wouldn't be a size improver, calves lack a bit of frame, length and height especially at the shoulders. He has a very long gestation, calves often don't arrive until 3 weeks plus after the nine months is up.
If I was you I'd go for Killskeagh Hill 16 (KZH) instead if you want to breed a few heifers. Should have less muscle and more frame and has milk in his breeding.
Typical KJB calf with mother.

Kovu

Here's another KJB calf, she's been earmarked for replacement since about 2 mins old I don't mind lack of height, handier cows for wet land.

Have EBY on a maiden BA heifer, due in October- I wanted KZH but he hadn't the straws at the time. All three bulls have been used here in next years calving in hope for heifers, really like KZH though, looks to be a better frame as tanko said above.

mikeoh

Bullocks wrote:

What's his figures like now ? I think I have a few heifers out of him , in fact I think the one that calved prematurely is out of him

4* replacement 78 . . Terminal 123....I have used him past 2 years very easy calved .. and not a bad calf either......short on hight but nicely muscled tight gut.......no idea what daughters like for milk

Future Farmer

mikeoh wrote: »

I think Bova genetics in limerick offer this .........cant be much harder than fertility testing

You'd be surprised, heard one AI company had a JE who'd only jump in the dark & some bulls don't jump on the teaser if they have been with cows before....

mikeoh

Future Farmer wrote:

You'd be surprised, heard one AI company had a JE who'd only jump in the dark & some bulls don't jump on the teaser if they have been with cows before....

Be careful having a jump in the dark.....all grand till someone turns on a light!!!!

Charliebull

Any good maternal shorthorn bulls out there and where would one get some sexed semen

shepherd41

SBU is good but doubt there are any straws left. Cogent have sexed female semen from Meonhill Firefox. Don't know about the others in AI, CZB has gone way down in maternal value. Anyone have any heifer/cows from CZB and how did you find them for milk, calving etc? Any pics would be great.

welton john

Charliebull wrote: »

Any good maternal shorthorn bulls out there and where would one get some sexed semen

Saw some stock off WPK with a neighbour was really impressed with them.Have a CH x heifer incalf to him for next year.5 star bull too.Only problem is I think I gave bout 30 for the straw

Bullocks

Any of ye use APZ ? Got a letter off ICBF that they want to weigh a calf we had out of him this year

bogman_bass

Bullocks wrote: »

Any of ye use APZ ? Got a letter off ICBF that they want to weigh a calf we had out of him this year

Yeah I factoried one bullock from him and have a heifer of his to calve I thin the month

patsy_mccabe

APZ, I have a weanling bull by him , very nice animal. Also a heifer from a 2 year old cow, very disapointed with her. I see his figures are very poor now on ICBF.

Future Farmer

shepherd41 wrote: »

SBU is good but doubt there are any straws left. Cogent have sexed female semen from Meonhill Firefox. Don't know about the others in AI, CZB has gone way down in maternal value. Anyone have any heifer/cows from CZB and how did you find them for milk, calving etc? Any pics would be great.

Delighted with my 25 or so SBUs in the flask at home...

bogman_bass

Future Farmer wrote: »

Delighted with my 25 or so SBUs in the flask at home...

They've been in that pot a long time. Are you going to actually use them at some point?

Future Farmer

bogman_bass wrote: »

They've been in that pot a long time. Are you going to actually use them at some point?

There were 30 - down 17% to 25

tanko

PG 2015/2016 Beef Catalogue up on their website, maybe someone could stick up a link.

charolais0153

http://issuu.com/rosalish/docs/pg_beef_cat_2015_6 there ya go

patsy_mccabe

Lgl bull calf. Not far off 400 kgs, i'd say. Cow is a huge red lim by mbu.

Kovu

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Lgl bull calf. Not far off 400 kgs, i'd say. Cow is a huge red lim by mbu.

That her behind him? Any SH in her?

And he's more 420ish to my eye

patsy_mccabe

Kovu wrote: »

That her behind him? Any SH in her?

And he's more 420ish to my eye

That's her alright. I reckon she's well over 800kgs. Quite as a lamb. Funny thing is I had to get rid of the grandmother as she was dangerous. I bought in the granma, so don't know her breeding. Calf born late feb.

patsy_mccabe

APZ bull calf. Cow is by Nino.

tanko

That's a fair lump of a calf, the cow must have plenty of milk. How do you find APZ calves for docility? I've had a few of them, admittedly they weren't off quiet cows but some of the calves are as crazy as any mad limo.
I see APZ has been relegated to the back page of the new catalogue after being promoted as the best Sim bull around a couple of years ago.

Curaheen Earp has replaced him as the next big thing in Simmental breeding even though he's hardly had a calf born yet. I can't see too many rushing to use him. It just goes to show the importance of reliability figures. Unless they're over 90% they mean feck all.

Limestone Cowboy

tanko wrote: »

That's a fair lump of a calf, the cow must have plenty of milk. How do you find APZ calves for docility? I've had a few of them, admittedly they weren't off quiet cows but some of the calves are as crazy as any mad limo.
I see APZ has been relegated to the back page of the new catalogue after being promoted as the best Sim bull around a couple of years ago.

Curaheen Earp has replaced him as the next big thing in Simmental breeding even though he's hardly had a calf born yet. I can't see too many rushing to use him. It just goes to show the importance of reliability figures. Unless they're over 90% they mean feck all.

Is there any other Simmental breeders in the country they could chance buying a bull off I wonder...

patsy_mccabe

tanko wrote: »

That's a fair lump of a calf, the cow must have plenty of milk. How do you find APZ calves for docility? I've had a few of them, admittedly they weren't off quiet cows but some of the calves are as crazy as any mad limo.
I see APZ has been relegated to the back page of the new catalogue after being promoted as the best Sim bull around a couple of years ago.

Curaheen Earp has replaced him as the next big thing in Simmental breeding even though he's hardly had a calf born yet. I can't see too many rushing to use him. It just goes to show the importance of reliability figures. Unless they're over 90% they mean feck all.

Only have the 2 APZ calves, both are quiet.
Curaheen Earp is by Cuaheen Vio, who is in the bottom 1% (73% reliability) of the Simmental breed for milk. What are the chences of Earp having milk then. The number one reason to go with a Simmental bull is to add milk. :mad:

tanko

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Is there any other Simmental breeders in the country they could chance buying a bull off I wonder...

Yeah, you'd imagine they would have looked somewhere else this time. I see they've got a new Lim bull from Elite with the double muscle gene. He'll hardly be easy calved.

Miname

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Only have the 2 APZ calves, both are quiet.
Curaheen Earp is by Cuaheen Vio, who is in the bottom 1% (73% reliability) of the Simmental breed for milk. What are the chences of Earp having milk then. The number one reason to go with a Simmental bull is to add milk. :mad:

I've two purebred heifers off apz out of the same mother, ones springing down and the others just a weanling and I have to say they are completely different animals ones really stylish and the others just a plain butty enough sort of thing, both however are exceptionally quiet.

J DEERE

mikeoh wrote: »

I like EBY

Have 10 calves on the ground from him. Very easy calved, all unassisted. Calves developing good shape and length and only month old. Using him, KJB and MBP this year. Going all red lim

mikeoh

EBY ticks alot of boxes......but id be greasing the calving jack for MBP

Limestone Cowboy

tanko wrote: »

Yeah, you'd imagine they would have looked somewhere else this time. I see they've got a new Lim bull from Elite with the double muscle gene. He'll hardly be easy calved.

It seems very clicky to me who ncbc buy the bulls off anyway. Ardlea/Elite being another example. There has to be Simmental bulls a hundred times better than apz in the country and the same could be said for efz.

Miname

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

It seems very clicky to me who ncbc buy the bulls off anyway. Ardlea/Elite being another example. There has to be Simmental bulls a hundred times better than apz in the country and the same could be said for efz.

I've been looking into sims myself for a few replacements and I'm thinking of going with dunmasc genetics they have two sims worth looking at, Direct debit and dragon 12. They have good stars anyway. By the way I've no affiliation to these but outside of importing straws the ratings aren't there on sim.

J DEERE

mikeoh wrote: »

EBY ticks alot of boxes......but id be greasing the calving jack for MBP

Had only planned on using him for mature spring calving cows. Can control feed intake and watch them accordingly

Sligoronan

ADX won't be to tall.



APZ maybe to tall.

Genghis Cant

mikeoh wrote: »

EBY ticks alot of boxes......but id be greasing the calving jack for MBP

We'd no calving issues with MBP. In fact miserable enough calves with us but they develop well.

Miname

Sligoronan wrote: »

ADX won't be to tall.



APZ maybe to tall.

[/quote anything I've had I'd say the opposite. Apz low set and adx leggy, what sort of cows are they out of?