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Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

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    #3392
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    Sugarbowl wrote: »
    Received the gene Ireland 2019 beef brochure in the post today. Anyone ordering from it this year? I'm thinking of giving the saler bull a try. I know the figures aren't much to go by. I tried the saler in last years catalog and have a fine bull calf of him this year already.

    They have some fiercw old bullis in it. One nine years old


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    #3393
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,222 ✭✭✭tanko


    I got it today too, some decent looking Sim and Lim bulls in it.
    The terms and conditions would put me off tho, some of them are a joke.
    They want weaning weights and cow weights at year 2 and 4.
    Evidence of suitable insurance including public liability, employers liability, buildings and vehicle must be supplied to ICBF on demand. What is all that about.

    Were you asked for any of this stuff yet?

    You can buy straws off bulls with proven calving difficulty and performance for €10.
    Why take risks for the sake of a fiver.


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    #3394
    Sugarbowl
    Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭Sugarbowl


    tanko wrote: »
    I got it today too, some decent looking Sim and Lim bulls in it.
    The terms and conditions would put me off tho, some of them are a joke.
    They want weaning weights and cow weights at year 2 and 4.
    Evidence of suitable insurance including public liability, employers liability, buildings and vehicle must be supplied to ICBF on demand. What is all that about.

    Were you asked for any of this stuff yet?

    You can buy straws off bulls with proven calving difficulty and performance for €10.
    Why take risks for the sake of a fiver.


    To be honest, I didn't even read the insurance part... should look at that part again ðŸ˜

    I was wondering when I would hear about the weighing part. I was thinking that if I'm weighing these calves as part of BEEP it might cover for that too.


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    #3395
    Never wrestle with pigs
    Registered Users Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭Never wrestle with pigs


    tanko wrote: »

    You can buy straws off bulls with proven calving difficulty and performance for €10.
    Why take risks for the sake of a fiver.

    What ever about the other crap they are coming up with, definitely the proven bulls at a fiver more is better. I'd bet most lads stock bulls are as good if not better than most of these bulls.


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    #3396
    Sugarbowl
    Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭Sugarbowl


    Just out of interest, putting these test straws through the AI company came to 16/18euro a straw for me. I would normally pay in the region of 24-30e for an AI bull. So not all that big a saving if that was the thought behind it.


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    #3397
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,222 ✭✭✭tanko


    Sugarbowl wrote: »
    Just out of interest, putting these test straws through the AI company came to 16/18euro a straw for me. I would normally pay in the region of 24-30e for an AI bull. So not all that big a saving if that was the thought behind it.

    If i remember right when Gene Ireland started they supplied test bulls straws for free and paid the farmer €20 for each insemination.

    You're only saving a fiver per straw, not worth it i think.
    I see they have two bulls off Tombapik and two off Bavardage, not much imagination there.
    The eurostars are leading to a serious narrowing of bloodlines in breeding which isnt a good thing.


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    #3398
    Hard Knocks
    Registered Users Posts: 3,944 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    Has anyone bred off Barnsford Ferny?
    See Eurogene have him preorder at €110 per straw


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    #3399
    TooOldBoots
    Closed Accounts Posts: 604 ✭✭✭TooOldBoots


    Sugarbowl wrote: »
    Received the gene Ireland 2019 beef brochure in the post today. Anyone ordering from it this year? I'm thinking of giving the saler bull a try. I know the figures aren't much to go by. I tried the saler in last years catalog and have a fine bull calf of him this year already.


    Wouldn't bother with the salers unless you were trying for heifers. I seen fine saler bulls today at Ennis mart and they were a poor seller. same weight lmx were making €200 more


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    #3400
    adne
    Registered Users Posts: 1,200 ✭✭✭adne


    Anyone used ch bull goldstar ludwig.

    What's the feedback


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    #3401
    valtra2
    Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭valtra2


    When dose the icbf publish the top 100 replacement bulls. Tia


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    #3402
    milligan2
    Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭milligan2


    adne wrote: »
    Anyone used ch bull goldstar ludwig.

    What's the feedback

    I have 3 off him and il use him again,great muscle on them and would have a better frame than fiston offspring,easy calved too.
    The calves are wild enough for charolais


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    #3403
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,702 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    valtra2 wrote: »
    When dose the icbf publish the top 100 replacement bulls. Tia

    Every 2 months. Import to Excel and sort the table yourself.
    https://www.icbf.com/wp/?page_id=200

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #3404
    Pidae.m
    Closed Accounts Posts: 851 ✭✭✭Pidae.m


    There's a lad here gone into dairy and has a few Empire BB straws left over in the tank. What are they worth?


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    #3405
    valtra2
    Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭valtra2


    Looking for advise on bulls for ai. Have sim cross hefiers looking for lim bull and was thinking of trying a few shorthorn no idea about them. Also a few bulls to try on herd for replacement. Have been crossing with simmental last few years


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    #3406
    Pidae.m
    Closed Accounts Posts: 851 ✭✭✭Pidae.m


    valtra2 wrote: »
    Looking for advise on bulls for ai. Have sim cross hefiers looking for lim bull and was thinking of trying a few shorthorn no idea about them. Also a few bulls to try on herd for replacement. Have been crossing with simmental last few years

    What ai company you with?


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    #3407
    Lady Haywire
    Registered Users Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    Pidae.m wrote: »
    There's a lad here gone into dairy and has a few Empire BB straws left over in the tank. What are they worth?

    Ooooooh the temptation. No idea what they're worth, thought i last heard a couple of hundred?


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    #3408
    Pidae.m
    Closed Accounts Posts: 851 ✭✭✭Pidae.m


    Lady Haywire wrote: »
    Ooooooh the temptation. No idea what they're worth, thought i last heard a couple of hundred?

    He stuck one in a Holstein cow by accident and got 200 for it in Bandon as a suck.


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    #3409
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    valtra2 wrote: »
    Looking for advise on bulls for ai. Have sim cross hefiers looking for lim bull and was thinking of trying a few shorthorn no idea about them. Also a few bulls to try on herd for replacement. Have been crossing with simmental last few years
    https://twitter.com/progressivegen/status/1104419826376822784?s=20
    Looks a nice calf


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    #3410
    Lady Haywire
    Registered Users Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    Pidae.m wrote: »
    He stuck one in a Holstein cow by accident and got 200 for it in Bandon as a suck.

    Nooooooooooo :eek::eek::eek::eek:


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    #3411
    Pidae.m
    Closed Accounts Posts: 851 ✭✭✭Pidae.m


    Lady Haywire wrote: »
    Nooooooooooo :eek::eek::eek::eek:

    I know.....


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    #3412
    valtra2
    Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭valtra2


    Pidae.m wrote: »
    What ai company you with?

    Have my own flask so not stuck to any one company. So man works for eurogene.


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    #3413
    Sheep breeder
    Registered Users Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    valtra2 wrote: »
    Have my own flask so not stuck to any one company. So man works for eurogene.

    Have used gamin from bova on heifers for the last few years and have great faith in him and super calves and so easy calved.


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    #3414
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,222 ✭✭✭tanko


    Sheep breeder wrote: »
    Have used gamin from bova on heifers for the last few years and have great faith in him and super calves and so easy calved.

    Have you kept any Gamin heifers on as cows?


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    #3415
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,702 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Sheep breeder wrote: »
    Have used gamin from bova on heifers for the last few years and have great faith in him and super calves and so easy calved.

    Have you calved down any Gamin heifers or cows? Wonder what they are like for milk?

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #3416
    Sheep breeder
    Registered Users Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    Have one calved this year and calved very easy herself to rocky/hawk stock bull and has a nice amount of milk and calf doing well. Have two heifers bulled off average milk dams and will be good to see how they turn out.
    But he is our go to bull for heifers and getting small mushroom calf that just grows on.


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    #3417
    bogman_bass
    Registered Users Posts: 5,057 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    valtra2 wrote: »
    Looking for advise on bulls for ai. Have sim cross hefiers looking for lim bull and was thinking of trying a few shorthorn no idea about them. Also a few bulls to try on herd for replacement. Have been crossing with simmental last few years
    What’s your system? Are you selling as weanlings, stores or finished?


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    #3418
    Never wrestle with pigs
    Registered Users Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭Never wrestle with pigs


    valtra2 wrote: »
    Have my own flask so not stuck to any one company. So man works for eurogene.

    Eby, Dubai to well built girls and Gamin or lodge hamlet or loyal to the taller rawer types.

    Sh are great if you get Heifers but the bulls are worth noting.

    Blonde is good too but just lack something when crossed to the SIM.


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    #3419
    Never wrestle with pigs
    Registered Users Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭Never wrestle with pigs


    Sheep breeder wrote: »
    Have used gamin from bova on heifers for the last few years and have great faith in him and super calves and so easy calved.

    Do you find him a good bull to put a really good top on an animal? Any I've seen had really good top muscle and very correct.


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    #3420
    valtra2
    Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭valtra2


    bogman_bass wrote: »
    What’s your system? Are you selling as weanlings, stores or finished?

    Sell weanlings bulls. Cutting down on cow numbers and going to finish hefiers


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    #3421
    bogman_bass
    Registered Users Posts: 5,057 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    valtra2 wrote: »
    bogman_bass wrote: »
    What’s your system? Are you selling as weanlings, stores or finished?

    Sell weanlings bulls. Cutting down on cow numbers and going to finish hefiers
    Stay away from shorthorns in vthat case.

    How about trying a few Parthenaise straws?


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