Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

Options
1…110111113115116…234

Comments

  • Options
    #3362
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,710 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Pidae.m wrote: »
    Bova prices

    Where did you get that? No prices on their website.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



  • Options
    #3363
    Pidae.m
    Closed Accounts Posts: 851 ✭✭✭Pidae.m


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Where did you get that? No prices on their website.

    The local rep down here emailed it to me.


  • Options
    #3364
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,229 ✭✭✭tanko


    I see the Dovea 2019 beef catalogue is out, a few new lims on it.


  • Options
    #3365
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,710 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    tanko wrote: »
    I see the Dovea 2019 beef catalogue is out, a few new lims on it.

    I see that. The new bull Ernevalley Madison is there. Saw him selling in Roscrea. Serious looking bull. But his Myostatin status looks worrying. Not easy calving, I'd say. Same status as Elite Icecream in Munster. That single F94L / single Q204X status.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



  • Options
    #3366
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    I see that. The new bull Ernevalley Madison is there. Saw him selling in Roscrea. Serious looking bull. But his Myostatin status looks worrying. Not easy calving, I'd say. Same status as Elite Icecream in Munster. That single F94L / single Q204X status.

    The charolais bulls flatter to decieve. Nothing catches the eye. In progressive, clenagh mischief and cavelands levi are very interesting whereas dovea just seem to be going for the >8% calving difficulty bulls.
    Elite ice cream is high reliability and is only at 8%, he was meant to be the next tvr


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #3367
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,710 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    charolais0153 wrote: »
    The charolais bulls flatter to decieve. Nothing catches the eye. In progressive, clenagh mischief and cavelands levi are very interesting whereas dovea just seem to be going for the >8% calving difficulty bulls.
    Elite ice cream is high reliability and is only at 8%, he was meant to be the next tvr

    8.3% is very high for a Lim. That's in the bottom 3% of the breed. Try selling a Lim bull at 8%. I have Lim bulls at 5% and lads would be reluctant to buy even at those figures.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



  • Options
    #3368
    Bigbird1
    Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭Bigbird1


    charolais0153 wrote: »
    The charolais bulls flatter to decieve. Nothing catches the eye. In progressive, clenagh mischief and cavelands levi are very interesting whereas dovea just seem to be going for the >8% calving difficulty bulls.
    Elite ice cream is high reliability and is only at 8%, he was meant to be the next tvr

    Ya I thought they would have something new. I hear good things about Loki and lsp is a right good bull.


  • Options
    #3369
    Bigbird1
    Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭Bigbird1


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    I see that. The new bull Ernevalley Madison is there. Saw him selling in Roscrea. Serious looking bull. But his Myostatin status looks worrying. Not easy calving, I'd say. Same status as Elite Icecream in Munster. That single F94L / single Q204X status.

    Does this basicly mean he carrys the double muscle gene?


  • Options
    #3370
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,710 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Bigbird1 wrote: »
    Does this basicly mean he carrys the double muscle gene?


    From page 48 of the 2019 PG/Munster AI catalogue;

    Variant Q204X is commonly found in the Charolais breed & with

    lower frequency in the Limousin breed. Homozygous animals

    exhibit: greater loin depths, large rounded rump & thighs,

    reduced fat cover & greater meat tenderness. However, they may

    also have heavier birth weights & slightly reduced milking ability

    & calving ability in females. Heterozygous animals (Q204X/+)

    exhibit the above characteristics albeit to a lesser extent.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



  • Options
    #3371
    bogman_bass
    Registered Users Posts: 5,057 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    charolais0153 wrote: »
    The charolais bulls flatter to decieve. Nothing catches the eye. In progressive, clenagh mischief and cavelands levi are very interesting whereas dovea just seem to be going for the >8% calving difficulty bulls.
    Elite ice cream is high reliability and is only at 8%, he was meant to be the next tvr

    It’s not worth their while buying an expensive bull with 10%+ CD because they simply won’t make their money back


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #3372
    Baalbec10
    Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭Baalbec10


    Would anyone know the price of a queenshead altea straw from dovea? The new catalogue is out and he is looking good for my salers bred heifers. Thanks for any info in advance


  • Options
    #3373
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,229 ✭✭✭tanko


    Baalbec10 wrote: »
    Would anyone know the price of a queenshead altea straw from dovea? The new catalogue is out and he is looking good for my salers bred heifers. Thanks for any info in advance

    I think they were €50 in the past, dont know if that has changed.
    EBY or LM2014 might be worth looking at.


  • Options
    #3374
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,710 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Baalbec10 wrote: »
    Would anyone know the price of a queenshead altea straw from dovea? The new catalogue is out and he is looking good for my salers bred heifers. Thanks for any info in advance

    I asked the Dovea guys at the ploughing about Mullary Intrepid. He's €20 a straw. Him and Altea are the only 2 bulls in the 'Special range' so that might give you an idea.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



  • Options
    #3375
    Lady Haywire
    Registered Users Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    Baalbec10 wrote: »
    Would anyone know the price of a queenshead altea straw from dovea? The new catalogue is out and he is looking good for my salers bred heifers. Thanks for any info in advance

    Queenshead is more aimed at the pedigree market, not putting you off if you like him but there's plenty of bulls just as good (if not better!) which are cheaper. Was 50 last time I used him 2 yrs ago.


  • Options
    #3376
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,710 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Lady Haywire wrote: »
    Queenshead is more aimed at the pedigree market, not putting you off if you like him but there's plenty of bulls just as good (if not better!) which are cheaper. Was 50 last time I used him 2 yrs ago.

    Poor walker too. Only scores 3/100 for Locomotion. You'll end up with a bull walking like a woman in a tight mini dress.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



  • Options
    #3377
    Lady Haywire
    Registered Users Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Poor walker too. Only scores 3/100 for Locomotion. You'll end up with a bull walking like a woman in a tight mini dress.

    :D

    https://twitter.com/LesProLaitiers/status/1052142167341363200


  • Options
    #3378
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,710 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Had a heifer here once and her back legs were like that. She was an AI bred simm from a bought in simm cow so might have been inbreeding. :)

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



  • Options
    #3379
    golodge
    Registered Users Posts: 280 ✭✭golodge


    Going way back in time. Anybody has ever dealt with Limousine bull Tastevin( EpsonxHighlander)?
    http://www.trouverlebontaureau.com/nos-taureaux/taureau_FR3330021849
    Have bought the first for us purebred limo heifer and her pedigree goes back to him, so would be interesting to hear what he was like.


  • Options
    #3380
    Seanhorse91
    Registered Users Posts: 181 ✭✭Seanhorse91


    golodge wrote: »
    Going way back in time. Anybody has ever dealt with Limousine bull Tastevin( EpsonxHighlander)?
    http://www.trouverlebontaureau.com/nos-taureaux/taureau_FR3330021849
    Have bought the first for us purebred limo heifer and her pedigree goes back to him, so would be interesting to hear what he was like.

    Semen can still be got off the limousine society. Going by their description of him he’s a milk improver but has his docility issues...

    https://www.irishlimousin.com/portfolio-items/tastevin/


  • Options
    #3381
    golodge
    Registered Users Posts: 280 ✭✭golodge


    Seanhorse91 wrote: »
    Semen can still be got off the limousine society. Going by their description of him he’s a milk improver but has his docility issues...

    https://www.irishlimousin.com/portfolio-items/tastevin/
    No docility problems with the heifer. Homebred heifers should learn from her how to behave... Though he's a grandsire of the heifer.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #3382
    adne
    Registered Users Posts: 1,200 ✭✭✭adne


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    I have a bull calf by OKH (KELTIC HANDSOME) and he's shaping up nicely. Looks to be growth also.

    Pasty have you bred from any okh heifers. Milk figures seem to be dropping every evaluation


  • Options
    #3383
    Never wrestle with pigs
    Registered Users Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭Never wrestle with pigs


    adne wrote: »
    Pasty have you bred from any okh heifers. Milk figures seem to be dropping every evaluation

    The fantastic stars say Dubai is -6kg for milk lol, pure fairys.


  • Options
    #3384
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,710 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    adne wrote: »
    Pasty have you bred from any okh heifers. Milk figures seem to be dropping every evaluation

    I've two bulls by him. He breeds narrowish cattle. That's the one thing I don't like about him. The cow would want to be extra wide and muscley.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



  • Options
    #3385
    Lady Haywire
    Registered Users Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »
    The fantastic stars say Dubai is -6kg for milk lol, pure fairys.

    Thought that myself, have a heifer by him here & she had a super bag of milk last year.
    Lovely animal there!


  • Options
    #3386
    Never wrestle with pigs
    Registered Users Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭Never wrestle with pigs


    Lady Haywire wrote: »
    Thought that myself, have a heifer by him here & she had a super bag of milk last year.
    Lovely animal there!

    Ya it's strange, Dubai's dam and Ronick Hawk are full brother and sister. Hawk is one of the best there ever was and Dubai gets roasted? I liked the stars a few years ago but the more I see the more flaws I see. Anyone breeding for Stars will have feck all in a few years. I just look at the calving difficulty now and the linear scores. I think that they have removed the linear scores for new bulls now? Something that was actually useful.


  • Options
    #3387
    GiantPencil
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭GiantPencil


    Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »
    Ya it's strange, Dubai's dam and Ronick Hawk are full brother and sister. Hawk is one of the best there ever was and Dubai gets roasted? I liked the stars a few years ago but the more I see the more flaws I see. Anyone breeding for Stars will have feck all in a few years. I just look at the calving difficulty now and the linear scores. I think that they have removed the linear scores for new bulls now? Something that was actually useful.

    Have they removed linear scoring or just choose not to publish them? I'd imagine every Gene Ireland bull is scored as part of the program


  • Options
    #3388
    Never wrestle with pigs
    Registered Users Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭Never wrestle with pigs


    GiantPencil wrote: »
    Have they removed linear scoring or just choose not to publish them? I'd imagine every Gene Ireland bull is scored as part of the program

    Not sure what way they have done it but it's the same thing when you can't look them up. Complete madness. One of the useful things that they had when looking at different bulls.


  • Options
    #3389
    adne
    Registered Users Posts: 1,200 ✭✭✭adne


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    I've two bulls by him. He breeds narrowish cattle. That's the one thing I don't like about him. The cow would want to be extra wide and muscley.

    Your right. The stock are a bit bet behind. Had this okh lady off ped last night. Time will tell I guess


  • Options
    #3390
    adne
    Registered Users Posts: 1,200 ✭✭✭adne


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    I've two bulls by him. He breeds narrowish cattle. That's the one thing I don't like about him. The cow would want to be extra wide and muscley.

    Your right. The stock are a bit bet behind. Had an okh lady off ped last night. Time will tell I guess if there is a strain of milk


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #3391
    Sugarbowl
    Registered Users Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Sugarbowl


    Received the gene Ireland 2019 beef brochure in the post today. Anyone ordering from it this year? I'm thinking of giving the saler bull a try. I know the figures aren't much to go by. I tried the saler in last years catalog and have a fine bull calf of him this year already.


Advertisement