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Heineken Cup - General Discussion Thread

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    #2012
    irishbucsfan
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    liammur wrote: »
    Nothing apart from:
    ulster are struggling to make the playoffs in the magners
    Clermont have potentially the best squad in Europe.

    Ulster should have beaten Clermont in France this season. Dodgy Dave seperated the teams in the end.


    First you claim Biarritz would convincingly beat Ulster, despite Ulster having beaten them. Then you claim Clermont would wipe the floor with Ulster, despite Ulster having beaten them once this season and it should have been twice... :pac:


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    #2013
    liammur
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Ulster should have beaten Clermont in France this season. Dodgy Dave seperated the teams in the end.


    First you claim Biarritz would convincingly beat Ulster, despite Ulster having beaten them. Then you claim Clermont would wipe the floor with Ulster, despite Ulster having beaten them once this season and it should have been twice... :pac:

    Should have been twice? I take it you weren't watching the match in Ravenhill then ?


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    #2014
    Podge_irl
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    liammur wrote: »
    ulster are struggling to make the playoffs in the magners

    Because their squad is slightly threabare. Their first XV however is excellent (with a couple decent subs, though not quite a full 23). They got a bonus point away in Clermont - the same as Leinster managed last year down there. Unless Pienaar, Muller or Afoa were out of the game then I don't see any chance of a hammering.


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    #2015
    liammur
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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Because their squad is slightly threabare. Their first XV however is excellent (with a couple decent subs, though not quite a full 23). They got a bonus point away in Clermont - the same as Leinster managed last year down there. Unless Pienaar, Muller or Afoa were out of the game then I don't see any chance of a hammering.

    I agree getting a bonus point in Clermont is a great result.


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    #2016
    Fishooks12
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    liammur wrote: »
    I agree getting a bonus point in Clermont is a great result.

    And I'm sure you also know beating them at home is a good result too

    Therefore it's baffling that you think they would wipe the floor with them in a HC final based on Ulster not being in the top 4 of the raboo


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    #2017
    irishbucsfan
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    liammur wrote: »
    Should have been twice? I take it you weren't watching the match in Ravenhill then ?

    The one Ulster won?


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    #2018
    liammur
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    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    And I'm sure you also know beating them at home is a good result too

    Therefore it's baffling that you think they would wipe the floor with them in a HC final based on Ulster not being in the top 4 of the raboo

    It is a very good result, but you seem to want it both ways by claiming Ulster should have beaten them twice, when they were clearly lucky to win in Ravenhill. I would be fairer and say 1 win each was correct.


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    #2019
    irishbucsfan
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    liammur wrote: »
    It is a very good result, but you seem to want it both ways by claiming Ulster should have beaten them twice, when they were clearly lucky to win in Ravenhill. I would be fairer and say 1 win each was correct.

    They weren't lucky. They outplayed Clermont for most of that game.

    In Clermont it was an awful refereeing decision that seperated the teams, in Ravenhill it was a good try. Although in fairness to Clermont it was a less strong team in Ravenhill I think.


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    #2020
    .ak
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    liammur wrote: »
    It is a very good result, but you seem to want it both ways by claiming Ulster should have beaten them twice, when they were clearly lucky to win in Ravenhill. I would be fairer and say 1 win each was correct.

    I'm scratching my head on this one.... Did you watch that game or..? :confused:

    Ulster were fantastic, they schooled them. They made their 'all star' players look decidedly average.


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    #2021
    liammur
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    They weren't lucky. They outplayed Clermont for most of that game.

    In Clermont it was an awful refereeing decision that seperated the teams, in Ravenhill it was a good try. Although in fairness to Clermont it was a less strong team in Ravenhill I think.

    My recollection of that game is, missed kicks from Clermont, late try for Ulster, ulster pack bullied.

    Didn't see the game in clermont, but very surprised to note that ulster bagged a bonus.


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    #2022
    .ak
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    GerM wrote: »
    Perpignan against Northampton last season in the semi final? Little chip over the top in midfield, Marty burst through and gathered the chip with a clear run from about 40m and Clancy called it back. Marty had been about a full metre behind Laharrague when he kicked. Northampton slotted the resulting penalty from halfway. 10 point swing on a terrible call.

    That was one of the worst displays of ref'ing I've ever seen in a game. Perp totally imploded though. The smugness of NH players really was picked up on by the cameras in that game though... Really made the final all the sweeter.


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    #2023
    irishbucsfan
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    liammur wrote: »
    ulster pack bullied.
    .
    :pac:

    The full game is on youtube. Watch it again. Chris Henry was the standout forward on the pitch and the rest of the pack completely outplayed Clermont's


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    #2024
    liammur
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    .ak wrote: »
    I'm scratching my head on this one.... Did you watch that game or..? :confused:

    Ulster were fantastic, they schooled them. They made their 'all star' players look decidedly average.

    This is the match report, not exactly what I'd term 'schooling' :)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/club/8884522/Ulster-16-Clermont-Auvergne-11-match-report.html


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    #2025
    irishbucsfan
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    liammur wrote: »
    This is the match report, not exactly what I'd term 'schooling' :)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/club/8884522/Ulster-16-Clermont-Auvergne-11-match-report.html
    ...
    liammur wrote: »
    You need to do more research than scrounge up a useless telegraph article.


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    #2026
    .ak
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    liammur wrote: »
    My recollection of that game is, missed kicks from Clermont, late try for Ulster, ulster pack bullied.

    Didn't see the game in clermont, but very surprised to note that ulster bagged a bonus.

    I'd also suggest watching the game again. That's just not what happened at all. Clermont looked lost. Great game, one of the stand out games in the pool stages. So was the replay in Clermont... Ulster were very good there too, and a couple of dodgy calls from the ref killed their chances. I'd almost say that they had a harder time there than Leinster did the previous year, and Ulster did better (There, I said it) than we did over there.

    Here's the stuff Hines got up to... but that was the most obvious one, and it fairness was picked up on...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8soVSySmqjI


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    #2027
    liammur
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    ...

    You took my bait, I knew someone would. didn't know which one.

    :)


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    #2028
    totallegend
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    I see that Exeter sealed their HEC spot for next season, fair play to them.


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    #2029
    CatFromHue
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    totallegend wrote: »
    I see that Exeter sealed their HEC spot for next season, fair play to them.

    Fair play is right. They've Northampton at home on Sunday and a win will confirm their play off spot.


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    #2030
    jacothelad
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    liammur wrote: »
    Biarritz beat Munster, a european powerhouse, then went onto narrowly lose to Toulouse, 19-21, the best team in the history of the H Cup


    You need to do more research than scrounge up a useless telegraph article.
    liammur wrote: »
    That Ospreys team were good enough to beat the pick of this Ulster/Edinburgh selection.

    but not good enough to beat Ulster....it seems.


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    #2031
    totallegend
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    jacothelad wrote: »
    but not good enough to beat Ulster....it seems.

    Jaco, I think Liammur has pretty much admitted he's trolling, best to leave it at this stage.


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    #2032
    CIARAN_BOYLE
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    liammur wrote: »
    Nothing apart from:
    ulster are struggling to make the playoffs in the magners
    Clermont have potentially the best squad in Europe.
    the Rabo (get with the program magners is so last year) is a different animal all together to the cup. Its much more of a squad game and the Ulster squad is much smaller than Pro12 big boys like Leinster and Munster.


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    #2033
    liammur
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    totallegend wrote: »
    Jaco, I think Liammur has pretty much admitted he's trolling, best to leave it at this stage.

    Nothing of the sort. I used the same newspaper for humour. Anyone who read the article instantly recognised that Ulster didn't 'school' Clermont as posters had suggested.
    Thank you.


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    #2034
    Leinster7
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    Clermont are in for a shock in 2 wkds time. We are going to steamroll them and then Ulster in the final.


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    #2035
    Fishooks12
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    Leinster7 wrote: »
    Clermont are in for a shock in 2 wkds time. We are going to steamroll them and then Ulster in the final.

    Clermont won't be steamrolled and nor will Ulster

    The only steamrolling I can see is if Ulster choke in Dublin and Leinster overcome Clermont


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    #2036
    tolosenc
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    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    Clermont won't be steamrolled and nor will Ulster

    The only steamrolling I can see is if Ulster choke in Dublin and Leinster overcome Clermont

    If we play Edinburgh in the final, it'll be about holding short of embarassing them. Or maybe not.


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    #2037
    irishbucsfan
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    Leinster7 wrote: »
    Clermont are in for a shock in 2 wkds time. We are going to steamroll them and then Ulster in the final.
    I remember when we steamrolled them the last time we played them in.France...


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    #2038
    rrpc
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    totallegend wrote:
    Jaco, I think Liammur has pretty much admitted he's trolling, best to leave it at this stage.
    liammur wrote: »
    Nothing of the sort. I used the same newspaper for humour. Anyone who read the article instantly recognised that Ulster didn't 'school' Clermont as posters had suggested.
    Thank you.
    liammur wrote: »
    You took my bait, I knew someone would. didn't know which one.

    :)

    Pretty much the definition of trolliing right there. :rolleyes:


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    #2039
    totallegend
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    I remember when we steamrolled them the last time we played them in.France...

    Or that time we steamrolled them in the RDS, winning by a single point with Brock James missing five kicks and two drop goal attempts. Yep, gave them a fair trouncing that night.


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    #2040
    justsomebloke
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    liammur wrote: »
    You took my bait, I knew someone would. didn't know which one.

    :)

    Nice of you to admit that you are trolling, do it again and you will be on the end of a 2 week ban


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    #2041
    funky penguin
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    I agree that we definitely cannot underestimate this match, it's going to be the toughest test we've had so far this season.

    And yes, the RDS in 2010 was lucky and close, and we had to fight tooth and nail to get a bonus point in Clermont later that year.

    But let's also remember we actually did steam roll them last time we played (just for the sake of being fair).

    It's going to be a tight one, but I know we can do it.


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