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Heineken Cup - General Discussion Thread

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    #1922
    .ak
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    Wasps with a brace of lovely quick tries. 23 all!


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    #1923
    thomond2006
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    23-26


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    #1924
    Big Nelly
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    Messed up that try awful!!!!


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    #1925
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    Good kick from the prop to finish the game...


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    #1926
    thomond2006
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    In terms of the Amlin, this is a disaster for the ERC. They have fixed the final for the Stoop and now Scarlets are the only non French team left and they have to go away to Brive tommorrow for the QF.

    If two French sides are contesting the final in the Stoop then you won't see many French teams travel.

    The ERC should have waited to name the venue as they did a few years ago when Toulon got to the final and they named Stade Velodrome as the venue. The result was the Toulon fans packed the place, ~60,000 people.


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    #1927
    spiralism
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    Just out of interest.. are Leinster at home for a semi final with Clermont/Saracens and if they are would that mean two matches in two days in the aviva, maybe even a double header?


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    #1928
    Hagz
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    spiralism wrote: »
    Just out of interest.. are Leinster at home for a semi final with Clermont/Saracens and if they are would that mean two matches in two days in the aviva, maybe even a double header?

    No, they have to travel.


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    #1929
    Fishooks12
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    spiralism wrote: »
    Just out of interest.. are Leinster at home for a semi final with Clermont/Saracens and if they are would that mean two matches in two days in the aviva, maybe even a double header?

    Nope they'll be away regardless of who wins tomorrow


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    #1930
    spiralism
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    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    Nope they'll be away regardless of who wins tomorrow

    Why's that, didnt they finish with a higher group seed than either of them? or is it just how the draw works?


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    #1931
    Hagz
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    spiralism wrote: »
    Why's that, didnt they finish with a higher group seed than either of them? or is it just how the draw works?

    The SF home and away draws are random, pulled out of a hat kind of thing.


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    #1932
    CatFromHue
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    An understrength Brive just beat Lanelli to make all Semi Finalists in the Amlin French.

    Toulon v Stade Francais
    Biarittz v Brive

    Toulon are third in the Top 14 and Stade are seventh 9 points ahead of eighth. From Wikipedia:

    If a trophy winner has already qualified for the Heineken Cup by virtue of its league position, that country will receive an extra Heineken Cup place.

    So it looks like Stade could have qualified for next years HEC so.


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    #1933
    thomond2006
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    Toulon will win the Amlin I reckon, they have a serious chip in the shoulder after messing up in 2010 in front of 60,000+ in Marseille. They named a full strength team against Quins which IMO shows their intent. However the other sides will be looking to secure a HEC place so there's a lot to play for for everyone.


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    #1934
    CatFromHue
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    skregs wrote: »
    Could Leinster play all their knock out games in the Aviva next year if they get a home SF and finish top 4 in the groups, and has that ever occurred with any team before?

    Leinster nearly did it in 02/03. They'd a home QF and SF and the final was in Dublin. Perpignan beat us in the SF though :mad:


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    #1935
    vienne86
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    skregs wrote: »
    Could Leinster play all their knock out games in the Aviva next year if they get a home SF and finish top 4 in the groups, and has that ever occurred with any team before?

    That could happen. It depends on the draw for the semi finals.....if Leinster get that far!


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    #1936
    castie
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    vienne86 wrote: »
    That could happen. It depends on the draw for the semi finals.....if Leinster get that far!

    It depends on what stadium they nominate as their home ground I think.
    As you cant play the semi there.
    If they play all 3 at aviva I think there would be questions afterwards if this wasnt their designated stadium.


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    #1937
    P_1
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    Could be some interesting pools next year if things pan out the way I think they may do. I've come up with this seeding for next year: (this is based on Leinster beating Ulster in the Heineken Final and Toulon beating Biarritz in the Amlin Final)

    H1 Leinster(40) Toulouse(27) Munster(23) Cardiff(20) Northampton(20) Clermont(18)
    H2 Leicester(17) Ulster(17) Stade Francais(17) Toulon(16) Harlequins(15) Edinburgh(12)
    H3 Ospreys(12) Scarlets(9) Glasgow(9) Gloucester(8) Saracens(8) Connacht(6)
    H4 Treviso(4) Racing Metro(4) Castres(4) Montpellier(3) Exeter(2) Aironi/Rome(2)

    Interestingly Connacht will be 3rd seeds if they get in next year.


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    #1938
    GerM
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    Going to be one or two horrible groups with those 4th seeds. Cardiff still being top seeds is horrible to see. Could conceivably have a pool of Cardiff, Edinburgh, Connacht and Rome.


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    #1939
    CIARAN_BOYLE
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    GerM wrote: »
    Going to be one or two horrible groups with those 4th seeds. Cardiff still being top seeds is horrible to see. Could conceivably have a pool of Cardiff, Edinburgh, Connacht and Rome.
    Doesn't work, there has to be a french and english team in each group


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    #1940
    GerM
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    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Doesn't work, there has to be a french and english team in each group

    Every year I make that mistake. Every bloody year. Pigeons learn faster than me.


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    #1941
    yimrsg
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    pithater1 wrote: »
    Could be some interesting pools next year if things pan out the way I think they may do. I've come up with this seeding for next year: (this is based on Leinster beating Ulster in the Heineken Final and Toulon beating Biarritz in the Amlin Final)

    H1 Leinster(40) Toulouse(27) Munster(23) Cardiff(20) Northampton(20) Clermont(18)
    H2 Leicester(17) Ulster(17) Stade Francais(17) Toulon(16) Harlequins(15) Edinburgh(12)
    H3 Ospreys(12) Scarlets(9) Glasgow(9) Gloucester(8) Saracens(8) Connacht(6)
    H4 Treviso(4) Racing Metro(4) Castres(4) Montpellier(3) Exeter(2) Aironi/Rome(2)

    Interestingly Connacht will be 3rd seeds if they get in next year.

    Ulster will be on 18 points if they get to the final as they didn't win their group they get 8 points (winners get 9) or 10 points for winning the HC.
    Leinster, Edinburgh and Clermont will get 11 points for winning the HC as they were group winners or 9 for making the finals.
    http://www.ercrugby.com/eng/ranking.php


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    #1942
    Fishooks12
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    Great weekend of games

    Give me that over the 6ns any-day

    The hilarity of one poster saying Leinster "won't have a chance" against Clermont is baffling. As I see it they're still the team to beat and should be able to turn Clermont over in France, although it won't be easy

    Ulster should breeze past the scots in Dublin, who were made to look a lot better than they are by a disinterested Toulouse side.

    All Irish final seems the most likely out-come IMO. But Ulster should be hoping Clermont hold firm at home because I can't see Leinster being beaten if they overcome the French


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    #1943
    P_1
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    yimrsg wrote: »
    Ulster will be on 18 points if they get to the final as they didn't win their group they get 8 points (winners get 9) or 10 points for winning the HC.
    Leinster, Edinburgh and Clermont will get 11 points for winning the HC as they were group winners or 9 for making the finals.
    http://www.ercrugby.com/eng/ranking.php

    17 no?
    They're on 10 at the moment so losing the final will get them 8 points, so losing the one point they had in 07/08 will leave them in 17 (19 and 1st seeds if they win the final).


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    #1944
    awec
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    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    Great weekend of games

    Give me that over the 6ns any-day

    The hilarity of one poster saying Leinster "won't have a chance" against Clermont is baffling. As I see it they're still the team to beat and should be able to turn Clermont over in France, although it won't be easy

    Ulster should breeze past the scots in Dublin, who were made to look a lot better than they are by a disinterested Toulouse side.

    All Irish final seems the most likely out-come IMO. But Ulster should be hoping Clermont hold firm at home because I can't see Leinster being beaten if they overcome the French

    From a chance of winning point of view I'd prefer to play Clermont in the final, but at the same time an all-ireland final would be great craic and good for irish rugby as a whole.


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    #1945
    .ak
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    It's not that far fetched to say Leinster 'won't have a chance', although I do agree that do indeed have a chance, but Clermont will be clear favourites imo.... It's a massive ask for Leinster to go over to Bordeaux and turn them.

    But... There's hope atleast. Any else notice that the Airport short code in Bordeaux is BOD? :D


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    #1946
    Fishooks12
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    .ak wrote: »
    It's not that far fetched to say Leinster 'won't have a chance', although I do agree that do indeed have a chance, but Clermont will be clear favourites imo.... It's a massive ask for Leinster to go over to Bordeaux and turn them.

    But... There's hope atleast. Any else notice that the Airport short code in Bordeaux is BOD? :D

    Leinster are still favorites in the outright betting which would indicate they'll be favorites for the semi


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    #1947
    .ak
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    Hence the 'imo' part. :P Just my opinion...


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    #1948
    yimrsg
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    pithater1 wrote: »
    17 no?
    They're on 10 at the moment so losing the final will get them 8 points, so losing the one point they had in 07/08 will leave them in 17 (19 and 1st seeds if they win the final).

    Whoops my bad there.


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    #1949
    Podge_irl
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    It's ridiculously far fetched to say Leinster "won't have a chance". The game isn't even in Clermont. They might lose but the betting is at practical scratch for a reason.


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    #1950
    .ak
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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    It's ridiculously far fetched to say Leinster "won't have a chance". The game isn't even in Clermont. They might lose but the betting is at practical scratch for a reason.

    It's gonna be ridiculously tight. Is Bordeaux a rugby town? Like, will there be a lot of French neutrals turning up?


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    #1951
    Podge_irl
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    For some reason I get the impression that French neutrals would be no more keen to cheer for Clermont then Leinster. Though I may have that wrong.


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