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Handsome Bob

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

Rafa would have prevented all this.

Rafa and his fahcts would have killed this before we even knew about it!

super_furry

CSF wrote: »

No I'm looking for a link confirming Terry's guilt. He hasn't been found guilty yet so its premature to be demanding the same sentence.

Think we're getting wires crossed here. Thought you were talking about something else.

Knex*

willmunny1990 wrote: »

8 game ban?

Not enough for me but their ya go. The FA made an example of him and rightly so, such abuse should never be tolerated. If John Henry had any character or decency he would sack that degenerate.

Under what evidence?

redzerdrog

willmunny1990 wrote: »

8 game ban?

Not enough for me but their ya go. The FA made an example of him and rightly so, such abuse should never be tolerated. If John Henry had any character or decency he would sack that degenerate.

i presume terry should be banned for longer and expect you to be calling for him to be sacked should he be found guilty ;-)

ThunbergsAreGo

Morzadec wrote: »

If the claims made in the Liverpool FC statement are true then the ban is ridiculous.

Something crazy has happened either way.

Either the FA has banned a player for 8 games for racism without any proof and most circumstantial evidence pointing otherwise.

Or

Liverpool FC have made a very rash statement without knowing all the facts of the case (or have chosen to ignore the facts).

Either way it's incredible that one of these big organisations with top lawyers could get things so badly wrong.

I'll wait to hear more evidence before making a judgement, but the FA really need to back up this ban with some hard evidence and not just hearsay, because if what is said in the Liverpool statement is true then they have seriously messed up

Im a liverpool fan, and im not sure which of those scenarios are better. If what the club is saying IS true, its scandalous decision and could open its own can of worms. If its not, i want to see real evidence

Mr Alan

kryogen wrote: »

This

This is all that needs to be said on the subject, Liverpool would do themselves a favour if they just accepted it

Suarez hasn't admitted that?

eigrod

brick tamland wrote: »

I can only think that the FA felt that Suarez's admission was worthy of a 8 game ban

Or that Evra's allegation was worthy of an 8 game ban ?

Mr.Crinklewood

homer_simpson wrote: »

None of it, its true. I'm making a comment, what part of my comment "But he has been at the player at the centre of cases where racist chants were shouted at him in the past and it turned out that there was no racism involved at all." are you struggling with here?

I'm struggling with its relavence. This topic is about Evra accusing another player of racist abuse. The cases ( which you failed to name ) were cases in which Evra made no accusation.

SlickRic

nothing's disgusting about Liverpool's reaction FFS. some of the hyperbole in here is incredible.

at worst, it sounds a little childish in parts, like a list of whiney statements.

also, nobody's blaming Evra. some are elaborating on the reported next step of the club to use the 2008 groundstaff case as a means to appeal. so can we stop peddling that "blaming Evra" nonsense please.

and let's stop peddling the shíte that Liverpool fans are condoning racism or racist comments. i've maybe seen one poster condone a racist remark on a football field.

we're disappointed. i don't know what else is wanted. this case was never going to determine that Suarez is a racist person. he made a remark in the heat of the moment, for which he should be punished. all our fans want is the FA to be sure they have the evidence, that they can trust the testimony/testimonies, and that they are consistent now when it comes to the England captain.

Chucky the tree

willmunny1990 wrote: »

8 game ban?

Not enough for me but their ya go. The FA made an example of him and rightly so, such abuse should never be tolerated. If John Henry had any character or decency he would sack that degenerate.

I've been eagerly awaiting your valued opinion on this. Thanks for sharing it.

IamtheWalrus

How can I say a racist term when I've got black friends? :rolleyes:

micks

homer_simpson wrote: »

None of it, its true. I'm making a comment, what part of my comment "But he has been at the player at the centre of cases where racist chants were shouted at him in the past and it turned out that there was no racism involved at all." are you struggling with here?

Putting at in twice has me struggling

noodler

K-9 wrote: »

I assume the club would have more detailed information than us, probably have the actual verdict and far more information than a 1 page FA statement!.

I said as much.

kryogen

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

I'm not upset at all tbh just feel a bit sorry for ya that you have to come on here and start talking about peoples mother and all that there, like i said internet hardmen are a dime a dozen.:pac:

lol talking about peoples mothers!

brilliant, if you had a bit of a brain you might have noticed that part of the post was tongue in cheek, sorry that got you all bent out of shape pal

internet hardmen and closet racists, they are everywhere alright

tommyhaas

Chucky the tree wrote: »

If we appeal will it still one of fergies best mates on the panel?

According to the article from the Independent that was posted earlier they already had the chance to veto his inclusion on the panel and didn't

carlcon wrote: »

Says nothing actually.

Previously, they accepted that Suarez said it... but put it down to "cultural differences" and language barrier.

Their story has changed, which is why the whole statement is a joke.

The "Evra said he wasn't a racist" line shows just how desperate they are. On one hand... Evra can't be trusted, on the other... believe this thing he said!

Has it ever been confirmed that Suarez admitted using the phrase ''negrito''? Because if not, they haven't changed their story

Regarding the apparent Evra contradiction, I think people are just looking for faults with the statement. The ''not a racist'' quote is obviously an attempt to demonstrate the contradiction of Evra's evidence, which they have further backed up by citing his apparent previous false claims

Tesco Massacre wrote: »

Despite Liverpool's claims to the contrary, Evra has never actually made accusations against another player or club before.

This is interesting, because this whole he accused Finnan and the Chelsea Groundsman line has been done to death and shown to be false. Perhaps they're referring to his accusation against the Senegal fans or perhaps it has come out in the course of the investigation that he did, as reported, accuse the ref in the game.

I obviously don't know, I'm just speculating but it would seem unusual that the club would make such a claim without being able to back it up, particularly given they must have had some form of legal advice regarding the statement

SoulTrader wrote: »

And here's an interesting contradiction from it:

So, you are happy to rely on Evra's testimony when it suits you, eh?

Again, I think its fairly apparent that the reasoning for giving Evra's opinion is to cast doubt on the validity of his claims, as oppose to use him as some sort of character witness for Suarez

CSF

redzerdrog wrote: »

i presume terry should be banned for longer and expect you to be calling for him to be sacked

Would you not want to wait for Terry to be found guilty before deciding his sentence? Or did innocent until proven guilty only apply to Suarez?

ilovelamp2000

willmunny1990 wrote: »

8 game ban?

Not enough for me but their ya go. The FA made an example of him and rightly so, such abuse should never be tolerated. If John Henry had any character or decency he would sack that degenerate.

2/10.

Must try harder

stumpypeeps

If Joe Bloggs said I called him xxxx, I denied calling him xxxx, no one else heard it, there would be no case. That seems to be the basis of LFC argument. The fact Joe Bloggs has been unreliable in a previous accusation is also relevant.

Now if the FA have serious evidence and produce this all this is moot and Suarez deserves everything he gets.

Handsome Bob

EDIT, never mind, found it. I found this bit interesting:

Luis himself is of a mixed race family background as his grandfather was black.

Never knew that.

kryogen

Mr Alan wrote: »

Suarez hasn't admitted that?

Did he not admit to calling him negro? negrito whichever way you want to word it? pretty sure he did, pretty sure it was discussed earlier in this thread in fact

Mr.Crinklewood

kryogen wrote: »

lol talking about peoples mothers!

brilliant, if you had a bit of a brain you might have noticed that part of the post was tongue in cheek, sorry that got you all bent out of shape pal

internet hardmen and closet racists, they are everywhere alright

Surely a closet racist would go totally nuts as he is constantly in the dark and therefore seeing black? :-).

Fowler87

rarnes1 wrote: »

Suarez's grandad was actually black :eek:

THIS

brick tamland

eigrod wrote: »

Or that Evra's allegation was worthy of an 8 game ban ?

Maybe, but looking at previous on this ( the Lescott case from a few years back ) I dont think they would have followed through with that charge with evidence like that

Anyway, when is the Report being released then we'll know for sure what evidence was used, until then its all guessswork

Fuhrer

Mr Alan wrote: »

Suarez hasn't admitted that?

The leak you were touting around earlier on as being good enough for you to demand Evra be banned, said he did.


Whats a matter? The information isnt good now because it doesnt support your bull****?

eigrod

SlickRic wrote: »

nothing's disgusting about Liverpool's reaction FFS. some of the hyperbole in here is incredible.

at worst, it sounds a little childish in parts, like a list of whiney statements.

also, nobody's blaming Evra. some are elaborating on the reported next step of the club to use the 2008 groundstaff case as a means to appeal. so can we stop peddling that "blaming Evra" nonsense please.

and let's stop peddling the shíte that Liverpool fans are condoning racism or racist comments. i've maybe seen one poster condone a racist remark on a football field.

we're disappointed. i don't know what else is wanted. this case was never going to determine that Suarez is a racist person. he made a remark in the heat of the moment, for which he should be punished. all our fans want is the FA to be sure they have the evidence, that they can trust the testimony/testimonies, and that they are consistent now when it comes to the England captain.

Sums it up pretty well. It's all down to the presentation of evidence. I don't think there's any Liverpool fan who wouldn't back down on their stance if and when the evidence is presented.

The original arguments on this thread haven't moved on since this morning, simply because none of us have seen the basis on which the FA came to this decision.

xtal191

http://therepublikofmancunia.com/how-patrice-evra-has-never-played-the-race-card-and-why-assumptions-are-dangerous/

barone

willmunny1990 wrote: »

8 game ban?

Not enough for me but their ya go. The FA made an example of him and rightly so, such abuse should never be tolerated. If John Henry had any character or decency he would sack that degenerate.

and you should at the very least be banned from the soccer forums for calling suarez such a term..

troll if ever there was one

Will I Amnt

Mr Alan wrote: »

kryogen wrote: »

This

This is all that needs to be said on the subject, Liverpool would do themselves a favour if they just accepted it

Suarez hasn't admitted that?

But some respected journalists have said it.
Isn't that enough for you???
It was a while ago when you accused Evra of something.........

Mr.Crinklewood

So which Boards member wrote that slatement? ( not a typo )

In seriousness, if the ban is purely on the word of Evra it is a bit of a joke and a bit of a bad precedent. The FA really need to act now a d release a statement giving the reasons behind the ban.

Crazy Horse 6

kryogen wrote: »

lol talking about peoples mothers!

brilliant, if you had a bit of a brain you might have noticed that part of the post was tongue in cheek, sorry that got you all bent out of shape pal

internet hardmen and closet racists, they are everywhere alright

Tougue in cheek :pac: whats that i see reversing lights. Thanks for confirming your an internet hardmen all the same, pal.:)