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Will I Amnt

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Mr Alan wrote: »

Actually in the hearing for this case it's apparently come to light that he accused the ref of only booking him because he was black. Sounds like an accusation to me.

Were you a fly on the wall or something?

You "apparently" know so much.

Don't you know?????
If it suits his argument it's got to be fact.

Jesus Wept

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

A racist term is a racist term, regardless of how harsh it is. How difficult is that for your blinkered mind to comprehend?

And a non racist term is a non racist term.
No need for the petty insults now Walrus. I am not being blinkered, I am looking forward to the evidence.

Knex*

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

A racist term is a racist term, regardless of how harsh it is. How difficult is that for your blinkered mind to comprehend?

Jesus.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

eigrod wrote: »

Yeah, I know that. But surely the player and the club deserve to have the evidence presented to them before, or at least at the same time, as the judgement is handed down ?

All the evidence is given to the defence before the case.

The_Kew_Tour

cambo2008 wrote: »

Don't you know?????
If it suits his argument it's got to be fact.

Well I should not be surprised, he really lets his clubs supporters down.

embarrassing.

Jesus Wept

richierichballs wrote: »

This is a dark day for English football and football in general.

Watch yourself.

Mr Alan

That was what was reported by Henry Winter who is a fairly reliable journo who's seemingly been in the know throughout this trial.

We'll know when they release the findings sure.

parker kent

mixednuts wrote: »

Why not release the evidence with the verdict ?

If the police are involved, they can't release the evidence I imagine. Plus there may be legal issues in relation to releasing the evidence.

Suarez could be ruined by this verdict. But if he said it, then he deserves the punishment. The reference by Liverpool to Evra making previous claims is very bad form on their part, given it can very easily be proved incorrect.

This thread has probably been the biggest clusterfúck I have seen on Boards. I hope it fades away soon.

homer simpson

Tesco Massacre wrote: »

Despite Liverpool's claims to the contrary, Evra has never actually made accusations against another player or club before.

But he has been at the player at the centre of cases where racist chants were shouted at him in the past and it turned out that there was no racism involved at all.

upandcumming

richierichballs wrote: »

This man has a child and a wife, a family there is no evidence he said anything.

What does this have to do with anything?

Chucky the tree

parker kent wrote: »

If the police are involved, they can't release the evidence. Plus there may be legal issues in relation to releasing the evidence.

Suarez could be ruined by this verdict. But if he said it, then he deserves the punishment. The reference by Liverpool to Evra making previous claims is very bad form on their part, given it can very easily be proved incorrect.

This thread has probably been the biggest clusterfúck I have seen on Boards. I hope it fades away soon.

The police won't be involved.

mormank

Knex. wrote: »

Jesus.

Careful Knex. If the English FA get wind of you posting a picture like this they might ban you for 8 games!

CSF

super_furry wrote: »

He's already admitted as much in his statement.

Link?

K-9

Peyton Manning wrote: »

Liverpools statement reminds me of a kid i once heard on Xbox live denying he was racist because he had a Lil Wayne album.

Its a bit of a Jade defence alright!

argosy2006

noodler wrote: »

Ah here, if he said something racist then he should be banned.

Sorry if you were making a Blatter-style joke there and it went over my head!



Hmmm....trying to maintain some semblence of perspective is a positive thing.

I have yet to read the report, either have you or the club, so it is wrong to assume right now that there was nothing else in there bar Evra's word.

On field its war, Off field Suarez and Evra could have sorted this, No not a hand shake on way off field !! I MEAN they should have been brought together by PFA , and sorted it man to man, And made it a positive out come,, both banned 2 games, Both guilty of insulting each other,
But for one to get off free, and one to get 8 game ban on hear say, is CRAZY !
That's what i mean,, Evra is no angel , But he gets not even one game ban for his part in this

Crazy Horse 6

Reading the statement again, I'm really not sure that the FA know what's coming. IF that statement is legally correct (which I presume it is otherwise we wouldn't have put it out), we've basically told the FA to show us the unmitigated proof that they have,to be able to give this verdict. They have to have cast iron, 100% damning proof to be able to do this.

On the other hand surely the FA are'nt stupid enough to charge Suarez without any evidence as they know the club are going to appeal.

stumpypeeps

parker kent wrote: »

If the police are involved, they can't release the evidence I imagine. Plus there may be legal issues in relation to releasing the evidence.

Suarez could be ruined by this verdict. But if he said it, then he deserves the punishment. The reference by Liverpool to Evra making previous claims is very bad form on their part, given it can very easily be proved incorrect.

This thread has probably been the biggest clusterfúck I have seen on Boards. I hope it fades away soon.

....

In defending Suárez, Liverpool are expected to mention the incident between Evra and Chelsea’s groundstaff in 2008 which culminated in an FA hearing which concluded that “we find Mr Evra’s account exaggerated and unreliable”.

carlcon

rarnes1 wrote: »

If this is true surely there's grounds for appeal.

Quote:
We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play - including Evra's own Manchester United teammates and all the match officials - heard the alleged conversation between the two players

Astounding if true tbh

Various people within the club have accepted that he said what he is accused of saying.

Their defence was that cultural differences and language barriers made it seem worse than it was.

Now, seeing this statement, they're ignoring all that and trying to force their fans (and whoever else reads it) into a false sense that they are being victimised simply by the word of a United player... which will of course "rally the troops" and get their fans onside.

It's nonsense, really.

Technique

homer_simpson wrote: »

But he has been at the player at the centre of cases where racist chants were shouted at him in the past and it turned out that there was no racism involved at all.

But he has never reported a case of racism before.

Do cup games count yeah?

So he'll miss 5 league games? He needs a winter break after the Copa America anyway.

First game back is utd I heard :pac::pac::pac:

Mr.Crinklewood

homer_simpson wrote: »

But he has been at the player at the centre of cases where racist chants were shouted at him in the past and it turned out that there was no racism involved at all.

Eh,,,Despite Liverpool's claims to the contrary, Evra has never actually made accusations against another player or club before

Knex*

mormank wrote: »

Careful Knex. If the English FA get wind of you posting a picture like this they might ban you for 8 games!

Probably a further 3 game ban for saying "jesus"!

bucketybuck

homer_simpson wrote: »

But he has been at the player at the centre of cases where racist chants were shouted at him in the past and it turned out that there was no racism involved at all.

What part of "Evra has never actually made accusations against another player or club before" are you struggling with here?

kryogen

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

No no you said i was an embarassment to my mother, like i said what has that got to do with this case.

Plenty of internet hard men around tonight i see.

Nope, you just said, excuse me, nothing more, two word post pal

Ask your mam would it embarrass her to know your a racist supporter, maybe im wrong.

K-9

noodler wrote: »

Ah here, if he said something racist then he should be banned.

Sorry if you were making a Blatter-style joke there and it went over my head!



Hmmm....trying to maintain some semblence of perspective is a positive thing.

I have yet to read the report, either have you or the club, so it is wrong to assume right now that there was nothing else in there bar Evra's word.

I assume the club would have more detailed information than us, probably have the actual verdict and far more information than a 1 page FA statement!.

homerjay2005

parker kent wrote: »

The reference by Liverpool to Evra making previous claims is very bad form on their part, given it can very easily be proved incorrect.
.

exactly, its classless and clueless and seems to have been used to galvinise the liverpool fans into a sense of injustice.

im just appalled to see liverpool fans in here still look to blame all this on evra, though not surprised.

the statement from the club is simply disgusting.

eigrod

THFC wrote: »

All the evidence is given to the defence before the case.

In which case this piece of the LFC statement suggests that the only evidence presented to them was Evra's word :

We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play - including Evra's own Manchester United teammates and all the match officials - heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner kick was about to be taken.

I cannot imgaine they'd put that in their statement if they had received a recording of what Suarez said to Evra, or if the referee had supported Evra's allegation, or if there were other players or officials to support what Evra alleged.

Liverpool's reaction seems to be based on the fact that they believe the rules of natural justice were not applied, in which case they could be taking the case to the Courts rather than any FA appeals committee.

stumpypeeps

bucketybuck wrote: »

What part of "Evra has never actually made accusations against another player or club before" are you struggling with here?

In defending Suárez, Liverpool are expected to mention the incident between Evra and Chelsea’s groundstaff in 2008 which culminated in an FA hearing which concluded that “we find Mr Evra’s account exaggerated and unreliable”.

ThunbergsAreGo

I hope if they enforce this ban they ban ALL players take part in abuse and references to people sexuality, being parts of the female anatomy and general such language

If one mention of the n word gets someeone an 8 game ban, how much does repeatably abusing linesmen, referees and other players get you? Especially if an accusation causes all this

This is a very dangerous precedent that has been set

Crazy Horse 6

kryogen wrote: »

Nope, you just said, excuse me, nothing more, two word post pal

Ask your mam would it embarrass her to know your a racist supporter, maybe im wrong.

I think you should leave it there, pal.