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Knex*

barone wrote: »

every black player will be out to get suarez now in the prem.. be it cripple him or accuse him of racism..

:mad:

Ahh now.

ilovelamp2000

stumpypeeps wrote: »

Nice conspiracy theory.

The point the Liverpool seem to be pushing is that the entire basis of this verdict depends on one mans evidence.

Exactly, and that is in dispute with a lot of what has been reported already.

I'm sure the FA will enlighten us

Jesus Wept

grohlisagod wrote: »

If he said it, he deserves the ban.

The-Rigger wrote: »

What is it?

grohlisagod wrote: »

Whatever racist remark he's adjudged to have said. I don't know exactly.

I see.

tommyhaas

sideswipe wrote: »

The funny thing is, if he hadn't admitted calling him Negrito (with the defense that it's a term of endearment) it would most likely ended up being a case of 'your word V my word', which would have made it much harder, possibly impossible to prove and convict.

I took from the club statement that he hadn't

We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play - including Evra's own Manchester United teammates and all the match officials - heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner kick was about to be taken.

tommyhaas wrote: »

Because in the eyes of the FA, you're either guilty or not guilty, there's no grey area. Suarez wasn't charged with intentionally racially abusing Evra, he was charged with abusing Evra with reference to race. If the negrito comment is true, then he is guilty as he has apparently admitted the racial reference

The circumstances may deem that Terry deserves a harsher sentence, but doubt over guilt is not a valid mitigating circumstance

I take this back as according to the clubs statement it seems he hasn't admitted using a term relating to race

Peyton Manning

Liverpools statement reminds me of a kid i once heard on Xbox live denying he was racist because he had a Lil Wayne album.

carlcon

The main story I think should come from this is whether or not the EFA give the same punishment to their beloved captain.

If they don't, THEN there'll be heads spinning. I think if you distance yourself from the bias of Suarez fans, it's pretty cut and dry that Suarez is in big trouble, even beyond any ban or fine the FA can give.

If it's possible for a sports person to be "officially" racist... we've just seen how. And that's the thing that should be taken from this... never mind silly football.

Sappy404

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

I don't think they've addressed everything the FA have decided upon and have picked out one issue which they feel they have an argument in respect of.

To my knowledge the LFC statement includes more details about the case than the FA have released.

What issues are they not addressing? What level of detail did you expect a statement of reaction to have at such a short time after the verdict was announced?

SoulTrader

Does anyone know if the punishment for Suarez can be increased on appeal? Don't the FA normally add to a suspension if they deem an appeal was frivolous?

I know it would be unlikely to be deemed frivolous due to the complicated nature of the case but... if the appeal was heard by different individuals, couldn't they increase as well as decrease the punishment?

donalg1

Delighted he has been banned if he's guilty he should be banned end of story why they haven't sorted the terry Ferdinand row yet is beyond me given that's so clear cut. This has obviously set a precedence now though.

Leiva

Why not release the evidence with the verdict ?

Mr Alan

Tesco Massacre wrote: »

Despite Liverpool's claims to the contrary, Evra has never actually made accusations against another player or club before.

Actually in the hearing for this case it's apparently come to light that he accused the ref of only booking him because he was black. Sounds like an accusation to me.

eigrod

I would totally accept the FA's statement earlier tonight if it was accompanied by the evidence. You know, they could have said they have a recording that picks up the conversation, they could have said they have several statements to support Evra's claim, they could have said that they have new evidence from the referee to support Evra's claim, they could have said they have a statement from Suarez which admits to something that could be construed as a racial slur. But nothing like that accompanied the statement. Why not ?

IamtheWalrus

The-Rigger wrote: »

I see.

A racist term is a racist term, regardless of how harsh it is. How difficult is that for your blinkered mind to comprehend?

stumpypeeps

Peyton Manning wrote: »

Liverpools statement reminds me of a kid i once heard on Xbox live denying he was racist because he had a Lil Wayne album.

I think the fact that Suarez grandfather was black is relevant.

The point they seem to be pressing home is that all this is based on Evra's evidence and the fact Evra has previously been shown to be unreliable in such matters.

Surprising they have gone this forcefully about it.

This case is far from over after Liverpool's statement.

The_Kew_Tour

Nobody is the winner of this in my book.

Sad that it had to come to this.

Just hope John Terry gets same treatment.

brick tamland

Ha Ha
Theyve taken the statment down

I wonder will the 15 year old work experience kid be allowed write the next one too

Fuhrer

Mr Alan wrote: »

Actually in the hearing for this case it's apparently come to light that he accused the ref of only booking him because he was black. Sounds like an accusation to me.

Its also apparently come to light that Suarez is a member of the Nazi party and regularly participates in Lynchings...

SoulTrader

eigrod wrote: »

I would totally accept the FA's statement earlier tonight if it was accompanied by the evidence. You know, they could have said they have a recording that picks up the conversation, they could have said they have several statements to support Evra's claim, they could have said that they have new evidence from the referee to support Evra's claim, they could have said they have a statement from Suarez which admits to something that could be construed as a racial slur. But nothing like that accompanied the statement. Why not ?

The written reasons for their findings and for the suspension imposed will be released "in due course". I suspect that will have the answers to your questions, and will allow for a much more informed debate.

richierichballs

I'm not a Liverpool fan but a Man City fan.

And as much as I like the idea of Suarez being out for the Semi final against us, I have to say that this ban is a joke.

No way in hell did he deserve 8 game ban, especially under the circumstances.
This man has a child and a wife, a family there is no evidence he said anything.

The FA are trying to make an example of the man, All awhile John Terry is on camera calling Evra a black bastard??? F*cking disgrace.
This is a dark day for English football and football in general.

ilovelamp2000

Sappy404 wrote: »

To my knowledge the LFC statement includes more details about the case than the FA have released.

What issues are they not addressing? What level of detail did you expect a statement of reaction to have at such a short time after the verdict was announced?

Henry Winter reported a lot of detail about the case, he mentioned two specific incidents - one where Luis denied calling Evra "negro" in the penalty area. Another where he admitted to calling Evra "negro" but claimed it was in a friendly manner.

We're only referring to one of those incidents. Tactically, I might add.

The_Kew_Tour

Mr Alan wrote: »

Actually in the hearing for this case it's apparently come to light that he accused the ref of only booking him because he was black. Sounds like an accusation to me.

Were you a fly on the wall or something?

You "apparently" know so much.

elius

Liverpool Football Club is very surprised and disappointed with the decision of the Football Association Commission to find Luis Suarez guilty of the charges against him.

We look forward to the publication of the Commission's Judgment. We will study the detailed reasons of the Commission once they become available, but reserve our right to appeal or take any other course of action we feel appropriate with regards to this situation.

We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play - including Evra's own Manchester United teammates and all the match officials - heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner kick was about to be taken.

The Club takes extremely seriously the fight against all forms of discrimination and has a long and successful track record in work relating to anti-racist activity and social inclusion. We remain committed to this ideal and equality for all, irrespective of a person's background.

LFC considers racism in any form to be unacceptable - without compromise. It is our strong held belief, having gone over the facts of the case, that Luis Suarez did not commit any racist act. It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations.

It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said 'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'. The FA in their opening remarks accepted that Luis Suarez was not racist.

Luis himself is of a mixed race family background as his grandfather was black. He has been personally involved since the 2010 World Cup in a charitable project which uses sport to encourage solidarity amongst people of different backgrounds with the central theme that the colour of a person's skin does not matter; they can all play together as a team.

He has played with black players and mixed with their families whilst with the Uruguay national side and was Captain at Ajax Amsterdam of a team with a proud multi-cultural profile, many of whom became good friends.

It seems incredible to us that a player of mixed heritage should be accused and found guilty in the way he has based on the evidence presented. We do not recognise the way in which Luis Suarez has been characterised.

It appears to us that the FA were determined to bring charges against Luis Suarez, even before interviewing him at the beginning of November. Nothing we have heard in the course of the hearing has changed our view that Luis Suarez is innocent of the charges brought against him and we will provide Luis with whatever support he now needs to clear his name.

We would also like to know when the FA intend to charge Patrice Evra with making abusive remarks to an opponent after he admitted himself in his evidence to insulting Luis Suarez in Spanish in the most objectionable of terms. Luis, to his credit, actually told the FA he had not heard the insult.

Author: Liverpool FC



But but but mummy Evra said it first :pac::pac:

CSF

carlcon wrote: »

The main story I think should come from this is whether or not the EFA give the same punishment to their beloved captain.

He has to be found guilty first.

ynwa_17

brick tamland wrote: »

Ha Ha
Theyve taken the statment down

I wonder will the 15 year old work experience kid be allowed write the next one too

No they havent?

Still on the main page for me

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/liverpool-fc-statement-20-12-11

Along with a newly posted page with Suarez's Twitter message

If this is true surely there's grounds for appeal.

Astounding if true tbh

We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play - including Evra's own Manchester United teammates and all the match officials - heard the alleged conversation between the two players

stumpypeeps

brick tamland wrote: »

Ha Ha
Theyve taken the statment down

I wonder will the 15 year old work experience kid be allowed write the next one too

Its still up.

super_furry

CSF wrote: »

He has to be found guilty first.

He's already admitted as much in his statement.

eigrod

SoulTrader wrote: »

The written reasons for their findings and for the suspension imposed will be released "in due course". I suspect that will have the answers to your questions, and will allow for a much more informed debate.

Yeah, I know that. But surely the player and the club deserve to have the evidence presented to them before, or at least at the same time, as the judgement is handed down ?

homerjay2005

copacetic wrote: »

LFC Statement

wow, that is disgraceful. absolutely disgraceful and the club i hope gets a real hard punishment cos of it. shocking stuff for them to come out with, the man was found guilty and they still attack Evra.

Mr Alan wrote: »

That's kind of my point tbh.

4 game ban for general abuse, doubled cause their was reference to race. Albeit in response to Evra bringing ethnicity into it.

One can only assume there'll be more to it than has appeared in the press cause as it stands with the information in the public domain Evra & Suarez did the exact same thing, with Suarez getting an 8 game ban for his part.

typical...always looking to blame somebody else.