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Robbo wrote: »

Just got a chance to listen to the Ben Gilroy segment from Pat Kenny's show.

...

Nothing new here and disappointingly no tough questions from Kenny.

You'd think Pat would have a few insights to offer.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/pat-kenny-claims-squatters-rights-as-legal-row-escalates-26308205.html

http://www.herald.ie/news/kenny-plans-extension-after-2m-battle-27874791.html

Robbo

Busy times this week, former hurling star Paul Codd is to be arrested due to shennanigans with his bankcruptcy assignee. Somewhere previous in this thread, it was noted that he was being advised by some Freeman or other. He's also shelled out the €250 to Ben Gilroy to have his name "protected".

Meanwhile, Debt Options have launched a "test case" as part of their "class action". Debt Options main achievment appears to be working the stamping machine in the Central Office into overdrive (and at €138 per rube, it could well be balancing the books for the tax that other pseudo-lawyers are dodging). They also claim to have "worked with" proper lawyers but will be running the case as lay litigants.

"The barristers and solicitors we work with chose their case as one to go forward with. They're a young couple, with a young daughter," Ms Cullinane added.

She said that cases had been built using expert legal advice, but that the people taking the cases were likely to represent themselves in court.

Which leads to the question, which professionals would be willing to work on this up to a point and then hand it over to crank lay litigants under the influence of a svengali? None would be my guess. But if I were a charlatan, I'd play some shell game trick where initial exploratory consultations were spun into "rock solid advice" and then mix it up with 2 other measures of bull**** and fairy dust. All easy to sell when you're telling the distressed "clients" that there's a free mortgage and a million quid at the end of it for their blind faith.

Also of note is that the Bar Council don't have a listing for Charlie Allen's barrister from the Indian Ocean.

MilanPan!c

The funny thing about "Rolyn Seeboruth" is that even though he's an " internationally famous barrister" and former "chief magistrate" there's only about 11 or so google results for him.

How very odd.

Cody Pomeray

One of which has him as a builder, and a formal male nurse, and a man who has had some trouble with debt.

Unless it's a different Jean-Paul Rolyn Seeboruth, which seems unlikely.

Robbo

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

One of which has him as a builder, and a formal male nurse, and a man who has had some trouble with debt.

Unless it's a different Jean-Paul Rolyn Seeboruth, which seems unlikely.

Barrister at Law and expert shoe repair.

MilanPan!c

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

One of which has him as a builder, and a formal male nurse, and a man who has had some trouble with debt.

Unless it's a different Jean-Paul Rolyn Seeboruth, which seems unlikely.

I saw that as well.

There's also an article en francais which lists him as one of the original members of the MMM, which was/is the Mauritas Democratic Socialist party.

Again, that's hard to verify.

MilanPan!c

Actually, if you add the Jean-Paul to his name you get more results.

Some odd stuff.

He went to the University of Buckingham, which has this famous allumnist:

"International alumni include Pravind Jugnauth, MP in the National Assembly of Mauritius, former Deputy Prime Minister, and the leader of one of Mauritius's main parties, the Militant

Self-description:

"Direct Access Barrister at Law - Mauritian Lawyer in finance and common law".

Cody Pomeray

You're leaving him short there milanpanic,

his full title, according to linked in: Direct Access Barrister at Law - Mauritian Lawyer in finance and common law at TipTop Photography

Fred Swanson

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Cody Pomeray

Not as a barrister anyway.


A versatile man is Seeboruth, being also the director of C.E.M.A. Holdings UK Limited, of which he is a 95% shareholder, that company being involved in the import-export business, but which has not been trading recently.

More curiously, Seeboruth was employed as "Barrister at Law" at CEMA. Another Director was employed as "Nursing officer", and another as "Property developer". ?? Slightly confusing business activity.

Very busy man when he's not being a chief magistrate.

He is a former (founding) director of Mikeli Music U.K Limited. Which had £360k liabilities, and a book value (net assets) of -£200k when it was voluntarily dissolved.

MilanPan!c

So, he claims to have left Mauritius in 1972 (see comments) as a nursing student:

http://www.lexpress.mu/article/le-militant-aken-wong-de-belle-rose-%C3%A0-paris-en-faisant-le-d%C3%A9tour-par-p%C3%A9kin

Which means:

University of Buckingham - Graduated 1983

Left Mauritius - 1972

New Eton College - Mauritius - Graduated 1962

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After his law degree he seems to have done two things, that import export business (where all the employees are family members) and a failed record label, which seems to have released one record in 2000.

There's only one decision I've seen his name on in the UK... an immigration thing.

In the UK he seems to be associated with "Abbotts Close Chambers"

https://tribunalsdecisions.service.gov.uk/utiac/decisions/39173

http://www.casecheck.co.uk/CaseCheckCommunity/MyCaseCheck.aspx?su=12639&suc=1&suc=1

MilanPan!c

I should also point out that it's very odd that he goes by two spellings of his name...

RoYln
RoLyn

Very odd.

MilanPan!c

I have contacted the Bar Council to confirm he is not accredited.

I have also contacted a few people in Mauritius to see if he was ever a Chief Magistrate.. maybe we can learn the real spelling of his name as well.

Boom__Boom

MilanPan!c wrote: »

I have contacted the Bar Council to confirm he is not accredited.

I have also contacted a few people in Mauritius to see if he was ever a Chief Magistrate.. maybe we can learn the real spelling of his name as well.

Keep up the good work.

I'm massively curious to know more about the one record released on Rolyn/ Royln/Rollin's failed record label.

I presume/hope it's not just me ?

MilanPan!c

Boom__Boom wrote: »

Keep up the good work.

I'm massively curious to know more about the one record released on Rolyn/ Royln/Rollin's failed record label.

I presume/hope it's not just me ?

Actually, it looks like there were at least three releases on "Mikeli Music" - all in 2000:

http://www.globalgroove.co.uk/label/Mikeli_Music/

EDIT: There may be as many as 7 releases:

http://www.discogs.com/label/Mikeli+Music

Losty Dublin

MilanPan!c wrote: »

Actually, it looks like there were at least three releases on "Mikeli Music" - all in 2000:

http://www.globalgroove.co.uk/label/Mikeli_Music/

EDIT: There may be as many as 7 releases:

http://www.discogs.com/label/Mikeli+Music

They appear to be specialist dance music tracks. Hardly what you'd call a record label but more the work of a self released artist/writer.

MilanPan!c

Losty Dublin wrote: »

They appear to be specialist dance music tracks. Hardly what you'd call a record label but more the work of a self released artist/writer.

There's at least three artists, but I'd guess the other two owners of the label had a bigger part than the solicitor involved.

Losty Dublin

MilanPan!c wrote: »

There's at least three artists, but I'd guess the other two owners of the label had a bigger part than the solicitor involved.

I wonder why?

Vivara

Robbo wrote: »

Meanwhile, Debt Options have launched a "test case" as part of their "class action". Debt Options main achievment appears to be working the stamping machine in the Central Office into overdrive (and at €138 per rube, it could well be balancing the books for the tax that other pseudo-lawyers are dodging). They also claim to have "worked with" proper lawyers but will be running the case as lay litigants.

Which leads to the question, which professionals would be willing to work on this up to a point and then hand it over to crank lay litigants under the influence of a svengali? None would be my guess. But if I were a charlatan, I'd play some shell game trick where initial exploratory consultations were spun into "rock solid advice" and then mix it up with 2 other measures of bull**** and fairy dust. All easy to sell when you're telling the distressed "clients" that there's a free mortgage and a million quid at the end of it for their blind faith.

I don't know what you think of the legal profession, but there are certainly people out there (and I know of two barristers and two solicitors involved with the group) who are willing to give advice surrounding issues.

I also don't know what you think about Debt Options, but all they've been doing is assisting people who can't afford legal representation by being there in the courts. I don't see what's wrong with that.

Most importantly, they have no connection with Ben Gilroy — if so, why haven't they jumped on the Freeman and Charlie Allen crap? They haven't. In fact, it's pretty wrong to mention them in this thread.

I'm really not involved in this Debt Options thing — I'm a med student (as my post history will show) but I do know of a few very clever — and genuine — people behind the scenes in Debt Options who do know a lot about what's gone on behind the scenes in the banks and have a lot to show for it. And this is proper "legal" stuff, no man-over-board maritime/freeman rubbish, which I totally agree is not only totally fabricated, illogical, inaccurate and pseudolegal but also exploitative of people.

Yet I don't see why Debt Options, who provide free legal support every week in the courts should be lumped together with crooks just because an inaccurate Phoenix magazine article mentioned them in the same paragraph.

Why do you suddenly think the mainstream media like Pat Kenny and the papers etc. are finally listening to them when they've got no traction before? Maybe because they have something; although, I'm sure you'll have some witty response.

It frustrates me when you clearly have absolutely no knowledge of what or who Debt Options is. Nothing you've said even half matches up with the facts. And that's really not fair!

MilanPan!c

Vivara wrote: »

I don't know what you think of the legal profession, but there are certainly people out there (and I know of two barristers and two solicitors involved with the group) who are willing to give advice surrounding issues.

I also don't know what you think about Debt Options, but all they've been doing is assisting people who can't afford legal representation by being there in the courts. I don't see what's wrong with that.

Most importantly, they have no connection with Ben Gilroy — if so, why haven't they jumped on the Freeman and Charlie Allen crap? They haven't. In fact, it's pretty wrong to mention them in this thread.

I'm really not involved in this Debt Options thing — I'm a med student (as my post history will show) but I do know of a few very clever — and genuine — people behind the scenes in Debt Options who do know a lot about what's gone on behind the scenes in the banks and have a lot to show for it. And this is proper "legal" stuff, no man-over-board maritime/freeman rubbish, which I totally agree is not only totally fabricated, illogical, inaccurate and pseudolegal but also exploitative of people.

Yet I don't see why Debt Options, who provide free legal support every week in the courts should be lumped together with crooks just because an inaccurate Phoenix magazine article mentioned them in the same paragraph.

Why do you suddenly think the mainstream media like Pat Kenny and the papers etc. are finally listening to them when they've got no traction before? Maybe because they have something; although, I'm sure you'll have some witty response.

It frustrates me when you clearly have absolutely no knowledge of what or who Debt Options is. Nothing you've said even half matches up with the facts. And that's really not fair!

You seem sincere, but...

Do you remember watching the ‘Who done it’s’?From the start you knew usually the one who benefits was really the perpetrator.!!!!Oct.15th 2012 was a day that Irish history was made when over 100 lay litigants filed their cases in the High Court against their banks with our help. Why? Because they had a right to. They had to! No one, not even our government has protected us! These corporations were given the right to rape our country, our people. Its time to remember who we are as a nation and in a legally & lawfully way take back our power.Is this method for everybody? If you are willing to stand in your power and learn to fight back armed with excellent knowledge. There is amazing knowledge in Ireland of the law and the banking system among the ordinary Irish People .We support each other. We share information. We get strength from unity. Behind us we have an amazing team of economic and legal professionals who have a moral conscience and want to be part of the change, not the mess!Ben Gilroy, People for Economic Justice, has spent the past few years studying the law and spends every day in courts all over the country helping real Irish People to reclaim their lives. He is on farms and in businesses helping to stop the Sheriffs and banks from pillaging our assets.. Ben is our Educator and will be with each and everyone of us in court. We couldn’t have a better mentor or friend.So when you call we explain what 300 hundred people , from all over the country, have chosen to do to get our questions answered. We have sued for €1,000,000 per case for the stress and devistation to our lives. This is a serious situation where our lives have been changed forever.What happens next ? That is up to YOU!Stand up and use your OPTIONS before its too late![/url]

http://www.debtoptionsireland.com/about-us/

So umm... maybe YOU are the one that is has no idea what DO is all about?

And of course this entire page on Ben's page dedicated to DO:

http://peopleforeconomicjustice.com/tag/claire-cullinane/

And articles like this, about Debt Options which say:

The group's legal advisor, Ben Gilroy

http://corkindependent.com/20121129/news/cork-group-taking-banks-to-court-S54793.html

Vivara

Vivara wrote: »

Most importantly, they have no connection with Ben Gilroy — if so, why haven't they jumped on the Freeman and Charlie Allen crap? They haven't. In fact, it's pretty wrong to mention them in this thread.

This is a quote from Debt Options website:

"Ben Gilroy, People for Economic Justice, has spent the past few years studying the law and spends every day in courts all over the country helping real Irish People to reclaim their lives. He is on farms and in businesses helping to stop the Sheriffs and banks from pillaging our assets.. Ben is our Educator and will be with each and everyone of us in court - See more at: http://www.debtoptionsireland.com/about-us/#sthash.f02WO9Ke.dpuf"

So you clearly are either completely misinformed or a Debt Options member wanting to do what they do best: spread misinformation.

Damn you MilanPanic! You beat me to the petard hoisting!!

Robbo

Vivara wrote: »

I don't know what you think of the legal profession, but there are certainly people out there (and I know of two barristers and two solicitors involved with the group) who are willing to give advice surrounding issues.

I also don't know what you think about Debt Options, but all they've been doing is assisting people who can't afford legal representation by being there in the courts. I don't see what's wrong with that.

Most importantly, they have no connection with Ben Gilroy — if so, why haven't they jumped on the Freeman and Charlie Allen crap? They haven't. In fact, it's pretty wrong to mention them in this thread.

I'm really not involved in this Debt Options thing — I'm a med student (as my post history will show) but I do know of a few very clever — and genuine — people behind the scenes in Debt Options who do know a lot about what's gone on behind the scenes in the banks and have a lot to show for it. And this is proper "legal" stuff, no man-over-board maritime/freeman rubbish, which I totally agree is not only totally fabricated, illogical, inaccurate and pseudolegal but also exploitative of people.

Yet I don't see why Debt Options, who provide free legal support every week in the courts should be lumped together with crooks just because an inaccurate Phoenix magazine article mentioned them in the same paragraph.

Why do you suddenly think the mainstream media like Pat Kenny and the papers etc. are finally listening to them when they've got no traction before? Maybe because they have something; although, I'm sure you'll have some witty response.

It frustrates me when you clearly have absolutely no knowledge of what or who Debt Options is. Nothing you've said even half matches up with the facts. And that's really not fair!

From the Cork Independent:

Debtoptions, set up by Cobh woman Claire Cullinane, who ran in the 2011 election under the CPPC banner, aims to put people in a more powerful position with their debts by bringing the banks into court and examining the records of the lending institutions.
....
Ms Cullinane claims the banking sector was fraudulent in its activity before the crash in drawing people into debt “deliberately in order to crash the market.”

“They do this every 30 years or so to gain ownership of property. We have as much debt as we can take.”

The group is taking legal advice and guidance from Ben Gilroy, who is also the leader of a new political party – Direct Democracy Ireland. The group has made nearly 300 plenary summons in the High Court at a cost of €138 each. The group insists that the move means that banks cannot touch the applicants

So there we have Mental Ben, the promise of salvation and some conspiracy theories. All from an interview with a lady who describes herself as a "Confidence and Lifestyle Coach for 25 years. International Trainer and Natural Therapist."

Are you sure you aren't mistaking them for New Beginnings or David Hall's new lot? Care to explain how I'm being beastly or unfair to Debt Options?

MilanPan!c

Deleted User wrote: »

Damn you MilanPanic! You beat me to the petard hoisting!!

hahahaha

Cody Pomeray

I can understand how well-meaning people would instinctively rush to the rescue of Debt Options - even Ben Gilroy... at a stretch - stemming from genuine concern about the pretty scandalous behaviour of the Irish banks.

But these genuinely concerned, wel-meaning people should turn their support toward the legitimate interest groups like New Beginnings, and Vincent P Martin, who at least have had a short-lived Robin Hood victory, of sorts, in terms of the Registration of Title Act 1964.

So there are genuine action groups out there, willing and able to operate within the law. There's really no need to resort to this freeman of the land nonsense at all.

Vivara

Sorry guys, I wasn't aware that the website said that. But all I can say is that it must be old information, because the person I know who is involved in the group only got involved on the condition that Gilroy wasn't involved — he's a solicitor. He's the father of a friend so I've really only spoken to him a few times about it (although I've spoken to him in the past week about Gilroy specifically), but I do know this for a fact. He's involved in the day-to-day running of things with Debt Options and Gilroy is nowhere to be found. The person I know would RUN A MILE if Gilroy was anywhere to be scene, behind the scenes or not.

Given how much of a crook that Gilroy is, I do know that he will do anything to attach himself to as many groups as possible — Direct Democracy, Charlie Allen, the list goes on. It's part of his philosophy. I presume he must have been involved at some point because he's at the head of every protest and every group around the place representing some lark or whatever. I'm sure you can understand that.

Rest assured, if Gilroy was involved in this test case I'm pretty sure you'd have heard about it, because he'd let you know.

And I don't know what you mean by "not rushing" to Debt Options. They're definitely not involved in the freeman lark, and have provided weekly assistance in court free of charge for a year.

EDIT: I realise though that it's just my word against everyone else's, so I'll be fighting a losing battle here. But the reason I seem genuine is because I am genuine. There's been no test case even reach the courts (as New Beginnings said in support of Debt Options's case) because every single one has been settled out of court by the banks. I'm just glad to see someone trying to do something, and listening to her speak on Pat Kenny last Friday and below on Colm Hayes, she seems coherent and altogether genuine to me.

Vivara

Like if you listen to their Claire Cullinane on Colm Hayes earlier then I think you'd quite clearly see that nothing they're suggesting is freeman lark and it sounds very genuine to me:

http://www.rte.ie/2fm/colm-hayes/programmes/2013/1015/480526-colm-hayes-tuesday-15-october-2013/?clipid=1333258

MilanPan!c

Vivara wrote: »

Sorry guys, I wasn't aware that the website said that. But all I can say is that it must be old information, because the person I know who is involved in the group only got involved on the condition that Gilroy wasn't involved — he's a solicitor. He's the father of a friend so I've really only spoken to him a few times about it (although I've spoken to him in the past week about Gilroy specifically), but I do know this for a fact. He's involved in the day-to-day running of things with Debt Options and Gilroy is nowhere to be found. The person I know would RUN A MILE if Gilroy was anywhere to be scene, behind the scenes or not.

Given how much of a crook that Gilroy is, I do know that he will do anything to attach himself to as many groups as possible — Direct Democracy, Charlie Allen, the list goes on. It's part of his philosophy. I presume he must have been involved at some point because he's at the head of every protest and every group around the place representing some lark or whatever. I'm sure you can understand that.

Rest assured, if Gilroy was involved in this test case I'm pretty sure you'd have heard about it, because he'd let you know.

And I don't know what you mean by "not rushing" to Debt Options. They're definitely not involved in the freeman lark, and have provided weekly assistance in court free of charge for a year.

She still has him up as her legal advisor on her site, and he is still promoting her on his.

Him not being involved in one case, despite her promise that, " will be with each and everyone of us in court" is ... well, I'm a lot less convinced than you...

ACTUALLY, can I point out that since you magically showed up on this thread, the Debt Options website has been changed to delete all references to Gilroy...

What an interesting coincidence.

Luckily, anyone with google can easily find this thread, and the old text, so that the association isn't forgotten about.

MilanPan!c

Just reached out to Claire on Facebook and Twitter to see why she's decided to quietly delete her links to Gilroy. I also tagged them both on the DDI page:

Ben Gilroy must be getting awfully lonely. First his buddy Charlie Allen flees the country to avoid being arrested, then Claire "Debtoptions" Cullinane goes and deletes all references to him from her site... tee hee...

Maybe Vivara can get a quote from her... ahem.

EDIT:

Hilariously, the person that uploaded the video on her homepage also has a habit of uploading... ... ... Ben Gilroy videos... Good luck Claire, you're gonna need it.

Robbo

MilanPan!c wrote: »

Just reached out to Claire on Facebook and Twitter to see why she's decided to quietly delete her links to Gilroy.

Maybe Vivara can get a quote from her... ahem.

I'd expect a reply, she is a very energetic woman, perhaps drawing on some source of free energy.

Does she have a "legal team" who are well versed in the laws of thermodynamics?