Freeman Megamerge

BlutendeRabe

MilanPan!c wrote: »

An interesting paragraph from the Rodolphus Trust wiki page:



Note the maritime law expert.

[shakes head]

If you look at the history section, that particular paragraph keeps getting removed for some reason.

Fred Swanson

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Boom__Boom

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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From the lawsociety.ie website

http://www.lawsociety.ie/Pages/Public-Make-a-Complaint-CMS/Disciplinary-Tribunal/Solicitor-Disciplinary-Search/

In the matter of Dermot F Conway, a solicitor practising as Conway Solicitors at Conway House, 35 South Terrace, Cork, and in the matter of an application by the Law Society of Ireland to the Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal and in the matter of the Solicitors Acts 1954-2008 [9007/DT61/10]

Law Society of Ireland (applicant)

Dermot F Conway (respondent solicitor)

On 29 March 2012, the Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal found the respondent solicitor guilty of misconduct in his practice as a solicitor in that he:

a) Caused a substantial deficit in client monies as of 31 October 2009, in breach of regulation 7,

b) Created debit balances by drawing monies from the client account where either there were no funds or insufficient funds on the relevant client ledger, in breach of regulation 7,

c) Recorded monies in the books of account as ‘fees’ when no such fees had been received, so that the books did not show the true financial position, in breach of regulation 12,

d) Described in the books of account monies drawn to the office account as ‘interest’ when it was not, in breach of regulation 12,

e) Used client account monies of €26,000, of monies originally received from one named client and credited to the client ledger of another named client, to make up a shortfall in stamp duty in relation to another third named client,

f) Utilised client monies to pay personal expenditure, in breach of regulation 7.

The tribunal ordered that the respondent solicitor:

a) Do stand censured,

b) Pay the whole of the costs of the Society, to be taxed by a taxing master of the High Court in default of agreement.

Cody Pomeray

MilanPan!c wrote: »

So. There's no doubt the trust was built on the Freeman legal nonsense. And the freeman legal nonsense is based on a conspiracy involving "maritime law".

The link you provided mentioned maritime liens so I presume this particular issue is the crux of the freeman's shenanigan, and if so, what exactly does he say on maritime liens, do you know?

Like unless they can sail a house off to Gibraltar, how do they claim admiralty jurisdiction arises?

MilanPan!c

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

The link you provided mentioned maritime liens so I presume this particular issue is the crux of the freeman's shenanigan, and if so, what exactly does he say on maritime liens, do you know?

Like unless they can sail a house off to Gibraltar, how do they claim admiralty jurisdiction arises?

The core of their nonsense is derived from an insane claim that all "courts" are actually maritime courts.

Many FOTL beliefs are based on idiosyncratic interpretations of Admiralty or Maritime law, which they claim governs the commercial world. These beliefs stem from fringe interpretations of various nautical-sounding words, such as ownership, citizenship, dock, or birth (berth) certificate. Freemen refer to the court as a "ship", the court's occupants as "passengers" and claiming that anyone leaving are "men overboard".[2]

Freemen will try to claim common law (as opposed to admiralty law) jurisdiction by asking "Do you have a claim against me?" This, they contend, removes their consent to be governed by admiralty law and turns the court into a common law court, so that proceedings would have to go forward according to their version of common law. This procedure has never been used successfully.[2]

Freemen often will not accept legal representation; they believe that to do so would mean contracting with the state. They believe that the United Kingdom and Canada are now operating in bankruptcy and are therefore under admiralty law. They believe that since the abolition of the gold standard, UK currency is backed not by gold but by the people (or the legal fiction of their persons). They describe persons as creditors of the UK corporation. Therefore, a court is a place of business, and a summons is an invitation to discuss the matter at hand, with no powers to require attendance or compliance.[2]

High level expiation from wiki

www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemen_on_the_land

This also explains their obsession with gold fringe on flags. Note the following BS:

The flags displayed in State courts and courts of the United States have gold or yellow fringes. That is your WARNING that you are entering into a foreign enclave, the same as if you are stepping into a foreign embassy and you will be under the jurisdiction of that flag. The flag with the gold or yellow fringe has no constitution, no laws, and no rules of court, and is not recognized by any nation on the earth, and is foreign to you and the United States of America.

Read more if your head can stand it.

www.apfn.org/apfn/flag.htm

Patriots are subjected to much ridicule when they object to [Admiralty flag] the flag that appears in every government office and courtroom in the land. That flag is the United States flag... with one seemingly minor cosmetic difference - a knotted golden fringe on three sides.

Government officials and judges adamantly refuse requests to remove the gold fringed flag and replace it with the constitutional flag of the United States as defined in 4 U.S.C. Section 1,2, and 3 - which has NO fringe.

Why should anyone be concerned about this apparently innocent decorative feature? What difference does it make?

The difference is that the flag that is displayed is legal notice, to all who enter, of the type of law that holds jurisdiction. The constitutional United States flag signifies common law jurisdiction.

www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1296633/posts

MilanPan!c

I'd also recommend people take the time to read this:

www.redcrayons.net/splc_kane.pdf

You'll (probably) learn a few new things and see why some of us are actually less amused and more worried about these conmen, and the cult they've created in multiple countries.

BlutendeRabe

MilanPan!c wrote: »

I'd also recommend people take the time to read this:

www.redcrayons.net/splc_kane.pdf

You'll (probably) learn a few new things and see why some of us are actually less amused and more worried about these conmen, and the cult they've created in multiple countries.

Guess a certain fugitive in the six counties coppied the M.O. of the Dorean Group.

Never knew that Wesley Snipes actually subscribed to that B.S.
He'll be redeemed in my eyes if he stars in that Blade-Twilight crossover.

MilanPan!c

BlutendeRabe wrote: »

Guess a certain fugitive in the six counties coppied the M.O. of the Dorean Group.

Never knew that Wesley Snipes actually subscribed to that B.S.
He'll be redeemed in my eyes if he stars in that Blade-Twilight crossover.

Nice call.

This page is also worth a look:

www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/fall/the-sovereigns-leaders-of-the-movement

From that page - though there's a lot more:

Kurt F. Johnson, 47
Dale Scott Heineman, 50
Union City, Calif.
www.thedoreangroup.blogspot.com
In just a few short years, Kurt Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman grew a tiny redemption-based debt elimination practice into the largest mortgage-elimination firm in the country, the Dorean Group, with thousands of clients in at least 35 states. They promised followers who were about to lose their homes to foreclosure that they could own the home free and clear by simply transferring the property to a trust controlled by the Dorean Group. Dorean would then file a fake grant deed with the county recorder and in the short time when it appeared in the record that the home was debt-free, the client would apply for a new loan and split the proceeds with promoters. Johnson, Heineman and four other salespeople in their thriving company were convicted on multiple felony counts in 2007. Johnson is currently serving a 25-year sentence in federal prison, while Heineman is serving 21 years.

MilanPan!c

People like this are obviously heroes to folks like Ben and Charlie Allen:

David Wynn Miller, 61
Milwaukee, Wisc.
www.dwmlc.com
A former tool-and-die maker, the man who writes his name as ":David-Wynn: Miller" — or, as he amusingly says it verbally, "David hyphen Wynn full colon Miller" — came up with his "truth language" scheme as a result of a frustrating court experience in 1988, when he was going through a divorce. In short, all truth language sentences used in court filings must begin with the preposition "for," contain at least 13 words, and use more nouns than verbs to be effective (he has claimed that only nouns have legal authority). David Wynn Miller considers himself a "Plenipotentiary Judge" in the Unity States of the World, and has named himself as the King of Hawaii, a feat he claims he accomplished when he converted Hawaii into a verb. Needless to say, Full Colon Miller's clients have fared poorly in both civil and criminal courts, and at least one client has been required to undergo a psychiatric evaluation. Miller is one of the few sovereign gurus that can say he has clients in four different countries currently serving prison sentences. Despite these failures, Miller's exotic punctuation scheme is rapidly growing.

MilanPan!c

One more sucinct explanation about the whole Maritime Law lark:

Admiralty law/common law
According to sovereign beliefs, there are two types of law: common law and admiralty law. Since the U.S. went off the gold standard in 1933, sovereigns say, no one has been able to pay a debt with "real" money, and therefore the country has been operating under commercial law, which sovereigns equate with admiralty law, the law of the seas. Thus, they argue, completely speciously, that Americans have been deprived of their original common law, under which the government can only impose regulations on citizens with their consent, since 1933.

www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/fall/sovereign-idioticon-a-dictionary-of-the

hardCopy

MilanPan!c wrote: »

People like this are obviously heroes to folks like Ben and Charlie Allen:

His page reads like someone ate a thesaurus and farted.

MilanPan!c

hardCopy wrote: »

His page reads like someone ate a thesaurus and farted.

C'mere, there's no need to disparage farts like that!

Losty Dublin

Mad what you find in your Facebook spam/others mail box. What was in it but a post leading us to an update about this warrior and his latest visit to the courts. Now, if only we knew who's fault it is this week.

https://www.facebook.com/tom.darcy.5205

MilanPan!c

Well worth hoping over the P.ie and checking out this thread about the implosion of DDI:

www.politics.ie/forum/current-affairs/217429-implosion-direct-democracy-ireland.html

johnnyskeleton

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057066488/1/#post87131503

Not strictly freeman, but interesting to see how direct democracy really operate. It's democratic only so long as you agree with their permanent unelected committee, according to their Cork delegate.

MilanPan!c

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057066488/1/#post87131503

Not strictly freeman, but interesting to see how direct democracy really operate. It's democratic only so long as you agree with their permanent unelected committee, according to their Cork delegate.

Sure, this should be no surprise to anyone... a scam only works when people trust the conman

On top of that look at Ben's buddy Chuck Allen - he wouldn't even tell members of his "trust" how it was meant to work...

"just give me your money, sign over your property, and trust me..."

The surprise would've been if DDI was actually set up properly....

joela

This page was linked to on a turf cutter support page

MilanPan!c

joela wrote: »

This page was linked to on a turf cutter support page

And who is the most famous modern proponent of jury nullification?

Why it's Ron Paul of course.

It's a funny thing, because historically juries could and did nullify, but over the last few decades the US courts have gone out of their way to suppress it, a least more than they had previously.

And it was never really legal for defence attorneys to tell jurors about nullification, which is very odd. Kinds like fight club: the first rule of jury nullification is don't talk about jury nullification.

joela

They seem to be considering it as some sort tactic for their upcoming court cases, they've also been seen mentioning sovereign law and are supported by Sherlock and Rochford. Enough said I guess!

joe swanson

Primetime tonight. About people offerinf debt solutions. Probably a big dose of freemanism involved.

Fred Swanson

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mrs vimes

I'm getting so much amusement from this thread - keep checking back here every day to see the latest insanity.

Here's one that strongly smells of the same bs - pmpv.net. Even the website looks the part, and when you click on a worked example the numbers are as insane as anything - I haven't done the sums but I think €170 per week for 50 years would more than pay off a 300k mortgage at 5%, although it's possible that the property price inflation will only happen to their disciples... not to mention their vagueness as to who will invest in their "bonds". Underpants gnomes again methinks.

Thargor

Boom headshot. Nice work there Primetime.

Thargor

This is great, I had the sickbag ready but they've done their homework and arent pulling their punches.

Boom__Boom

Alex Gibbons the "solicitor" for Debt Options

In the matter of Alexander M Gibbons, a solicitor of Gibbons & Company, Riverside, Kent Street, Clonakilty, Co Cork, and in the matter of the Solicitors Acts 1954-2008 [5839/DT52/10 and High Court record no 2011 no 89SA]

Law Society of Ireland (applicant)

Alexander M Gibbons (respondent solicitor)

On 18 January 2011, 5 April 2011, 14 June 2011 and 30 June 2011, the Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal sat to consider a case against the respondent solicitor. The tribunal found the respondent solicitor guilty of misconduct in his practice as a solicitor in that he:

a) Failed to comply with an undertaking, given on 27 June 2005 to Bank of Ireland on behalf of his clients, to stamp and register the borrower’s title to the property and the lender’s mortgage in a timely manner or at all,

b) Failed to ensure that the borrower would acquire good title in accordance with his indemnity of 27 June 2005,

c) Failed to ensure that a deed of transfer and a mortgage deed were executed to ensure that title was acquired,

d) Failed to respond to correspondence from the Society and, in particular, the Society’s letters of 8 May 2009 and 22 May 2009 in a timely manner or at all,

e) Failed to comply with the direction of the committee at its meeting on 24 June 2009 to furnish to the Society by 20 July 2009 a copy of the stamped transfer deed, copy of the stamped mortgage deed, Form 17 and a dealing number,

f) Failed to comply with the direction of the committee made on 30 July 2009 to provide a full history of the property transaction with supporting documentation by 10 September 2009, having only furnished the Society with part of his file on 9 September 2009.

The tribunal ordered that the Society bring the report of the tribunal to the President of the High Court, and the President of the High Court, on 13 February 2012, ordered that the respondent solicitor should not be permitted to practise as a sole practitioner or in partnership, that he be permitted only to practise as an assistant solicitor in the employment and under the direct control and supervision of another solicitor of at least ten years’ standing, to be approved in advance by the Society.

Take note that, subsequently, by order of the High Court made on 21 May 2012 in record no 2012 no 19SA, the respondent solicitor’s name was struck off the Roll of Solicitors.

Alexander M Gibbons Gibbons & Company, Riverside, Kent Street, Clonakilty, Co Cork 21-05-2012
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In the matter of Alexander M Gibbons, a solicitor of Gibbons & Company, Riverside, Kent Street, Clonakilty, Co Cork, and in the matter of the Solicitors Acts 1954-2008 [5839/DT60/11]

Law Society of Ireland (applicant)

Alexander M Gibbons (respondent solicitor)

On 1 February 2012, the Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal found the respondent solicitor guilty of misconduct in his practice as a solicitor in that he:

a) Failed to apply €63,000 received from his client in January 2008 for stamp duty on a named property and instead withdrew same from the client account and lodged same to his personal bank account,

b) Placed a letter on the said purchase file dated 22 December 2005, which he later admitted was a fabricated letter,

c) Furnished a letter dated 15 August 2009 addressed to the Property Registration Authority to his client on 5 October 2009, suggesting that an application for registration of the dealing in relation to a named folio in Co Cork was pending at a time when there was no such dealing pending and where it subsequently transpired that the dealing was not lodged until March 2010,

d) Failed to complete the registration of a bank charge in respect of a named folio in Co Cork until 2009 in a timely manner, the property having been purchased in 2004,

e) Failed to conclude the registration of a bank mortgage in respect of a named folio in Co Cork in a timely manner, having only completed same in late 2009,

f) Delayed in completing the registration of his clients’ title to three separate named properties until after the complaints had been made to the Society,

g) Accused his clients of not paying stamp duty and fees in respect of a named property, when in fact the bill of costs, including stamp duty, was furnished to them in January 2008 and paid in January 2008,

h) Failed to respond to the Society’s three requests for copies of his letters, pursuant to section 68(1) of the Solicitors (Amendment) Act 1994, bills of cost and ledger cards in respect of the various complaints made.

The tribunal ordered that the Society bring the matter to the High Court and, in proceedings entitled Law Society of Ireland v Alexander M Gibbons (2012 no 19SA), the President of the High Court on 21 May 2012 ordered:

a) That the respondent solicitor’s name be struck off the Roll of Solicitors,

b) That the respondent solicitor pay all of the costs of the Society, including witness expenses, for the proceedings before the tribunal and the High Court proceedings, to be taxed in default of agreement.

http://lawsociety.ie/Pages/Public-Make-a-Complaint-CMS/Disciplinary-Tribunal/Solicitor-Disciplinary-Search/

Boom__Boom

Thargor wrote: »

Boom headshot. Nice work there Primetime.

Really good report by PrimeTime.

Gilroy and Cullinane shown up as utter chancers.

Pat Mustard

Prime Time Report starts about 14.43 in.

Well, that was great.

Maritime law, indeed. Busted!

Seems that there are two similarly named organisations called Debt Options. One is run by Anthony Joyce, Solicitor. That's probably what Vivara was talking about a few pages back. Looks to be the real deal.

Debt Options Ireland is the one in which Claire Cullinane is involved. Seems she's a complimentary therapist who has advised the Maltese Government on stress management and creative thinking.


EDIT: (RTE has now reinstated the clip).

Fred Swanson

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Pro Hoc Vice

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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New term "Freeman Lite" and of course trademarked.

ciaran76

I went onto their Facebook page to see the reaction and its the usual RTE=Fine Gael etc etc.