Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Thinkstoomuch

passed through buttevant tnght,,,..all clear ...road works finished and buttevant back to normal after the horse fair.

All roads lead to limerick now.

Got to win tommorrow or KK in thurles in a q final in two weeks.

grenache

zetecescort wrote: »

Who cares where lads are from once they're good enough. I've experienced plenty of the "who you know/where you come from" crap at club level, should have no bearing on the team

I don't care either way, just making the point how much the hurling landscape has changed in the last ten years. When I was younger, and coming down to Cork every summer, I remember Blackrock being the powerhouse of Cork hurling. It's a sign of the times, hurling in the city has definitely declined since the late 90s and early 00s. Glen Rovers, Na Piarsaigh, The Barrs, all a shadow of the clubs they used to be.

grenache

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

passed through buttevant tnght,,,..all clear ...road works finished and buttevant back to normal after the horse fair.

Does the condition of the road through the village still resemble that of the moon's surface?

zetecescort

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

To be honest I had a sneaking suspicion that Kerry would win, I didn't expect cork to be feeling as fast as this. I do fully believe that they can regroup from this and come back through the qualifiers

Are Cork missing anybody else besides Julliet Murphy? Kerry have been improving the last few years but still disappointing to lose twice to them.

zetecescort

grenache wrote: »

I don't care either way, just making the point how much the hurling landscape has changed in the last ten years. When I was younger, and coming down to Cork every summer, I remember Blackrock being the powerhouse of Cork hurling. It's a sign of the times, hurling in the city has definitely declined since the late 90s and early 00s. Glen Rovers, Na Piarsaigh, The Barrs, all a shadow of the clubs they used to be.

People working/commuting from home and not moving into the city is a massive change in lifestyle over the last 20 years, along with players from small clubs not under pressure to play senior club in order to play for Cork.

Best of luck today, 7 years without a Munster title is too long

rebel girl 15

zetecescort wrote: »

Are Cork missing anybody else besides Julliet Murphy? Kerry have been improving the last few years but still disappointing to lose twice to them.

Norita Kelly, Grace Kearney, Elaine Harte were all missing. Juliet is the biggest difference though, has single handedly brought Cork back into games. Then again it was only the width of a post that prevented a draw

Thinkstoomuch

when is the draw for the ladies???whos up next??is the system similar to the men??

Amprodude

What a terribke two weeks for Cork GAA lost everything. Are Kilkenny next? God help us.

beeroclock

The referees a w******!!
The referees a w******!!

Congrats limerick cant really argue with 14 points to 5 in the second half better team won

Hidalgo

Amprodude wrote: »

What a terribke two weeks for Cork GAA lost everything. Are Kilkenny next? God help us.

Q finals already pre-determined,
Clare V Galway
Cork V KK

Both on July 28th, probably a double header in Thurles

beeroclock

Amprodude wrote: »

What a terribke two weeks for Cork GAA lost everything. Are Kilkenny next? God help us.

i wouldnt be afraid of them to be honest (not sure if we have them next or not)

ShamoBuc

Congrats to Limerick - but I really don't think we would have lost with 15 v 15
Thought the sending off was harsh but it was a game changer.
Cussen should never wear the jersey - like going down to 13 when he came on.
Gave away a few soft scores but hard to judge the game as a whole as a result of the red.

Bring on the Cats!!

beeroclock

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Congrats to Limerick - but I really don't think we would have lost with 15 v 15
Thought the sending off was harsh but it was a game changer.
Cussen should never wear the jersey - like going down to 13 when he came on.
Gave away a few soft scores but hard to judge the game as a whole as a result of the red.

Bring on the Cats!!

Agreed and surprised JBM put him on at all

rebel girl 15

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

when is the draw for the ladies???whos up next??is the system similar to the men??

Four provincial finalists into a hat - Cork, Tyrone, Mayo and Meath

Amprodude

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Congrats to Limerick - but I really don't think we would have lost with 15 v 15
Thought the sending off was harsh but it was a game changer.
Cussen should never wear the jersey - like going down to 13 when he came on.
Gave away a few soft scores but hard to judge the game as a whole as a result of the red.

Bring on the Cats!!

We dont have a hope agsinst Cats. 2008 and 2010 revisited. Not getting my hopes up for next game. Im just going to accept that KK will automatically be in semi final.

ShamoBuc

Amprodude wrote: »

We dont have a hope agsinst Cats. 2008 and 2010 revisited. Not getting my hopes up for next game. Im just going to accept that KK will automatically be in semi final.

Ordinarily yes - but kk are struggling, losing against dublin, struggling at home to beast tip - no goals - and brought to et by waterford - we should have a right cut off them - Horgan will be a loss but I fully expect a tight game, we have every chance of beating them I think.

Spudmonkey

Amprodude wrote: »

We dont have a hope agsinst Cats. 2008 and 2010 revisited. Not getting my hopes up for next game. Im just going to accept that KK will automatically be in semi final.

KK were pretty ordinary. I reckon a focused Cork team could give them a very good run for it.

HigginsJ

Amprodude wrote: »

We dont have a hope agsinst Cats. 2008 and 2010 revisited. Not getting my hopes up for next game. Im just going to accept that KK will automatically be in semi final.

KK have been poor enough this year. Cork were very good in the 1st half today. They have nothing to fear there.

WumBuster

I wouldnt write off Cork against KK. The sending off today was very harsh and changed the game.Cork were going well up until then.

beeroclock

Can Cork appeal the sending off or is he suspended end of?

Hidalgo

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Four provincial finalists into a hat - Cork, Tyrone, Mayo and Meath

To play each other is it??

I thought the beaten provincial finalists played a qualifier winner?

rebel girl 15

The sending off wasn't the big game changer that it is made out to be!! It was a silly silly pull by Horgan, ball was in front of O Brien, should have been an easy catch, and Horgan, it can be argued, cynically strikes him in the back of the head. A moment of madness

First half when it was 15 v 15, Cork were well on top, scored 10 points, had 10 wides and had three goal chances. Take half of those wides as scores and 1 goal chance, thats an 8 point swing. 2004, Mullane sent off three mins into the second half, Waterford win. JBM had 10 mins at HT to be able to reorganise - if the man plays in front of the full back line, we have to take our points from 50/60 yards out, draw him out then be able to hit the corners.

Harnedy went completely out of the game in the second half after a good first half - McCarthy was anonymous at centre forward. Did O Farrell play, too many of the Cork forwards had poor games, again!

Putting on Cussen when the Limerick spare man was in the full back line - what sort of madness was that?? Added to the fact that Cussen is a poor hurler!!!

Hidalgo

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Congrats to Limerick - but I really don't think we would have lost with 15 v 15
Thought the sending off was harsh but it was a game changer.
Cussen should never wear the jersey - like going down to 13 when he came on.
Gave away a few soft scores but hard to judge the game as a whole as a result of the red.

Bring on the Cats!!

I still think Limerick would have won, albeit it in a far tighter finish. Cork should have been up 4 or 5 at half time, such was the possession they enjoyed. A bit like Clare in the semi final, missed chances in the 1st half cost them.

Limerick had a stronger bench to utilise also, would have been another benefit to them in that heat.

rebel girl 15

beeroclock wrote: »

Can Cork appeal the sending off or is he suspended end of?

They can appeal it, but its still a strike, watching it back it is pretty damning - Horgan nearly two yards from the ball, O Brien going to make what should be a comfortable catch, Horgan makes contact with back of O Brien's head, would be one thing if it was on top challenging for the ball, but he was no where near the ball

rebel girl 15

Hidalgo wrote: »

To play each other is it??

I thought the beaten provincial finalists played a qualifier winner?

Nope, the beaten teams in the provincial final can be included in the draw to make up the qualifier places for round 1, some beaten provincial finalists will end up in round 2.

Jamie Cal

Jesus, lads, they were bad enough. Their backs were more than there for the taking. I'm pretty sick we haven't won this now. Paudie Sull, in particular, were badly missed. I try not to be hard on 'em, but Naughton & Farrell & Lehane are all yellow. It's a shame, because if the Cats get to the final I'd expect pretty much every other county to fall in front of 'em bar us. Still, I hope we'll have a proper cut out against them. Harnedy, again, was our best forward, maybe our best all day, stick that up your pipe, Sean Og!

Rightwing

That was a great day, I enjoyed it. Cork looked to have the better of it until the sending off, but we never looked back after that. Cork No. 10 was good, but bad wides and 2 or 3 goal chances left behind in the 1st half & we were very confident then going into the 2nd half with the breeze and a man up.

Can Cork beat KK,,, absolutely.

Hidalgo

Jamie Cal wrote: »

Jesus, lads, they were bad enough. Their backs were more than there for the taking. I'm pretty sick we haven't won this now. Paudie Sull, in particular, were badly missed. I try not to be hard on 'em, but Naughton & Farrell & Lehane are all yellow. It's a shame, because if the Cats get to the final I'd expect pretty much every other county to fall in front of 'em bar us. Still, I hope we'll have a proper cut out against them. Harnedy, again, was our best forward, maybe our best all day, stick that up your pipe, Sean Og!

Harnedy was good, but for me Shane O Neill was Cork's best player, covered across the FB line time and time again.

If Cork had taken the goal chances created who knows, but at the top level if you create and don't finish, you more than not pay the price.

Thinkstoomuch

First of all congratulations to Limerick

To say that the sending off had no bearing on the game in any great effect is just way off the mark, as truth be told for starters it took the contest from being a two horse race.

Once we went down a man for a whole half of hurling we had no chance to win.This was not a 1996 all Ireland final in wet heavy conditions where Wexford won down a man or even last year where Tipp beat us in a warm day where they had a lead built up.

This was in extreme heat even with a wind that there was no way the extra man was not going to tell.It had a huge effect on the game and forced Cork in to utter panic hence the bringing on of Cussen and Naughton on FFS, these players are no where near hurlers at this level.

It was a clumsy challenge. I have been a critic of Horgan but in fairness he has never been a dirty player and I have seen worse challenges in today's game not even getting a card for them. The pundits call them manly tackles. Horgan is one of the cleanest men around, too soft in fact, to send him off was a joke. James McGrath is truly an awful ref. He done Cork in 07 in a U21 game, today he was the same.

Cork had a load of wides and we could still have lost the game but we had been in total control in the first half .Once we had a man down, we were chasing our tail.

We showed superb heart and character and battled to the end.

Our backs, with Egan, Joyce when he moved back along with the cork man of the match McLaughlin and O Neill were superb.

I said it time and again his best position is in the half back line. He sweeped oceans of ball in defence for Cork. Has to start with Egan and Joyce in two weeks time.

Harnedy tired but was brilliant in his second game, getting three points and winning 2 frees. He will be ideal against KK to have any chance.

CIan Mac was poor today. Jamie C tried hard but was not as good as the last day but he will be better.

Kenny in fairness done well. I had my concerns.

O Farrell done okay but got no decent ball in the second half.

It's is hard to find fault with our performance in the first half bar the huge amount of wides. I thought bar Lehane in at corner forward everything was going okay.

McDonnell was in at corner back and Limerick not starting with Downes did not expose our vulnerability here. What was really frustrating was to see Cusan and Naughton used as our saving graces. Bar one point from Naughton, he had one terrible wide, and was out fought for at least four balls.

Regarding Cussan, in twenty or so years following Cork gaa it is no exaggeration, and I have no delight in saying this, he is the worse player to ever wear the red jersey. Poor isn't the word. His attitude is nowhere near what's required at this level. But with all due respect you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

As Kilkenny are not the force of old, if we pick the right team in Thurles, on a dry day, we have a fighting chance.

Jamie Cal

Hidalgo wrote: »

Harnedy was good, but for me Shane O Neill was Cork's best player, covered across the FB line time and time again.

If Cork had taken the goal chances created who knows, but at the top level if you create and don't finish, you more than not pay the price.

Shane and Conor Sull were indeed brilliant.

I'd of like McLoughlin in the half-back line to start and Tom Kenny in midfield from the off, Tom was exposed (as he always it seems) under puck outs, but to be fair he settled.

I keep going back to Paudie Sull, though. What a difference he'd of made. At least he'd have a bit of bottle to get on breaks.