J. Cole

Hugh Cream · 20-09-2011 11:31pm

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

agree with hugh here, there seems to be an unwritten rule in a lot of threads regarding a negative opinion on an artists music or actions as a rapper or infact the topic being discussed, seems like sometimes in certain threads to enter and get involved without being attacked so to speak you have to agree with the crowd.. just my opinion.:)

its ridiculous mate, some times it feels like ive wandered into a fan club, its a public forum not dedicated to any one subject or person yet you have to LOVE the subject or person to enter the discussion.

people need to grow up and realize life is not all roses and chocolate.

Oh and prettyboy's post was reported, hoping a mod finally says something to him, its long over due.

CiaranMT · 20-09-2011 11:53pm

Been giving this a listen, not bowled over by Dollar III in any way. Only halfway through so I'll check back tomorrow.

PrettyBoy · 21-09-2011 12:38am

Hugh Cream wrote: »

Oh and prettyboy's post was reported, hoping a mod finally says something to him, its long over due.

Hugh Cream · 21-09-2011 6:48am

Mods?

Oh and is there a way of reporting private messages, prettyboy sent me a nasty one which im furious about?

bigpoppa · 21-09-2011 7:04am

Mods?

Oh and is there a way of reporting private messages, prettyboy sent me a nasty one which im furious about?

there is a helpdesk for such matters and a mod will see this when they get time as they are volunteers, in the meantime can you guys keep your bickering off the forum as it is extremely dull with the comments / stupid pictures.

Keep this thread on topic to positive / negative reviews comments of a mature nature

Given the album a listen and definitely like it but would have perferred a few more harder tracks - it is mostly mellow enough

Boom_Bap · 21-09-2011 7:49am

Ok, so this thread took a turn last night. Let me try to clear this up and be as diplomatic as possible.

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Don't know what you're digging here for Hugh but IMO you're just being a mouth as usual. How many times do you have to get infracted/banned before you will stop trolling? You have too much free time on your hands.

PrettyBoy - Leave the moderating to the moderators please. There is no need to discuss a posters history in the open forum. Please take this to PM with the mods or report the post. You should not need to reference a fellow poster directly and personally when discussing a topic.

Hugh Cream wrote: »

this place gets worse, you can only discuss something you like, if you dont like something or dont think something is as wonderful as other people your not supposed to enter the thread.
grow the fcuk up ffs.:rolleyes:

Hugh Cream - This is a discussion forum so all parties thoughts on the topic are welcome, your point is valid, but there is no need to follow it up with the growing up comment.

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

agree with hugh here, there seems to be an unwritten rule in a lot of threads regarding a negative opinion on an artists music or actions as a rapper or infact the topic being discussed, seems like sometimes in certain threads to enter and get involved without being attacked so to speak you have to agree with the crowd.. just my opinion.:)

Agreed, use the report post function or report to a mod by PM if you believe there is a problem.

Hugh Cream wrote: »

people need to grow up and realize life is not all roses and chocolate.

Comments like telling people to grow up are not on topic and unecessary, plesae refrain from this in the future.

Hugh Cream wrote: »

Mods?

Oh and is there a way of reporting private messages, prettyboy sent me a nasty one which im furious about?

If you want to share it with me, feel free. I have no access to other people's PMs. I can look at it and take whatever action is necessary.

bigpoppa wrote: »

there is a helpdesk for such matters and a mod will see this when they get time as they are volunteers, in the meantime can you guys keep your bickering off the forum as it is extremely dull with the comments / stupid pictures.

Keep this thread on topic to positive / negative reviews comments of a mature nature

Given the album a listen and definitely like it but would have perferred a few more harder tracks - it is mostly mellow enough

As bigpoppa says, keep this thread on topic. I have not issued any bans or infractions on any of the above. But the next person to stray off topic or comment directly about a poster will be banned/infracted.

......so, J. Cole......

Havn't personnaly heard the album yet but will get around to it over the weekend. I've been on the fence about him so far. Some of what i hear is great, then there is alot of mediocre songs.

There was a lot of hype around Friday Night Lights, I personally thought that if there was about 6 songs trimmed from it, it would have been much better.

Jimmy Iovine · 21-09-2011 6:15pm

Ha the boys in HMV are useless. Went in today and asked we were they getting in the new J Cole album. Your chap stared at me and said "J? Like just the letter J?"

Couldn't believe he had to ask me that. I was about to set him straight and tell him all about J Cole but I had to go. Didn't pay for parking so I didn't want to get a ticket.

They're getting it in anyway so I'll pop down early Friday morning and buy it. Can't wait.

Makaveli · 21-09-2011 9:43pm

Most people wouldn't know who J Cole is, he has almost zero presence here. It's not like you went in and asked about Jay-Z.

Have yet to listen to this, will probably give it a spin tomorrow.

Liquidswords · 22-09-2011 4:37pm

Auditory chloroform.

This boy is awful.

Beats. Rhymes. EVERYTHING.

The personification of boredom.

bigpoppa · 22-09-2011 6:11pm

To be serious for a moment the album ain't bad but preferred his mix tape stuff. Given it a few listens but too mellow.

Stab*City · 23-09-2011 7:39am

Ok i said id save any comments i had until after i heard the album as i had made enough before without even hearing it and that wasnt really fair. Ok so i have listened to the album twice (sort of) first on my laptop last night and then during the commute to work at full volume.

The reason i said sort of listened to it twice is because the second time i fast forwarded through the first 13 songs to number 14 which in my opinion is the first half decent track. I could probably see myself listening to this album again..

IF I WAS A FEMALE. But alas i am not. Crap. Crap. Crap album. Boring Boring album. He defo wrote this album for the ladies. And same as WTT this album will suffer greatly because of the hype machine.. One of the best MC's out there? I think not. At best its a nice cd to f**k your bitch too.. Actually on second thoughts maybe not cuz if anything could make me lose a b*ner its this album. I dont know about all you backpack hip hoppers out there but when i listen to hip hop the last thing i wanna hear is the artist talking about how pretty his 18 yr old girlfriends hair is.. I like banging hip hop with monster beats and grimey rappers who can spit fire.. not this.. This IS HIP POP. Im gonna file this away with all my fresh prince cd's. Joke.

Im out.

bigpoppa · 23-09-2011 11:52am

At best its a nice cd to f**k your bitch too

Seriously? You must be quite the ladies man, you know women read this forum too right?

I dont know about all you backpack hip hoppers out there but when i listen to hip hop the last thing i wanna hear is the artist talking about how pretty his 18 yr old girlfriends hair is.. I like banging hip hop with monster beats and grimey rappers who can spit fire.. not this.

Fair enough and I agree to an extent but its possible (just possible) that different people like different types of hip hop? I mean just because you may prefer to listen to more hard core stuff doesnt make everyone else a "backpack hip hopper" (what ever that is)

As for me? I'm out yo. 5000G. Peace to all my bitches in the Clonskeagh area and to all my homies locked down (well not locked down but stuck at home)

Mikeyt086 · 23-09-2011 2:12pm

bigpoppa wrote: »

Seriously? You must be quite the ladies man, you know women read this forum too right?

Fair enough and I agree to an extent but its possible (just possible) that different people like different types of hip hop? I mean just because you may prefer to listen to more hard core stuff doesnt make everyone else a "backpack hip hopper" (what ever that is)

As for me? I'm out yo. 5000G. Peace to all my bitches in the Clonskeagh area and to all my homies locked down (well not locked down but stuck at home)

Walkin' down Grafton Street, too many foo's steady mean muggin. I'm finna take a DART back to Bray, call my crew and roll on them suckas. That be life out on these streets. Y'all dont know bout my hustle. On my grind 'errday.

The album is ok.

Makaveli · 23-09-2011 4:22pm

It's pretty boring, nothing like his tapes at all. It's definitely is a bit soft. I think Drake is having too strong an influence these days, I'm all for a break from the grimey and gritty tracks but I found myself having to resist the urge repeatedly to skip to the next track.

I'll give it a few more spins but I'm quite disappointed with it.

There's nothing backpacker about this and it's not really Hip-Pop but it's radio friendly for sure.

bigpoppa · 23-09-2011 5:10pm

Agreed

Danow247 · 29-09-2011 8:52am

He is doing big numbers!! 115k copies sold on the 1st day. Projecting 225-250k first week! That is huge for a debut album.

http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/retail/j-cole-s-world-album-headed-for-no-1-on-1005376642.story

Havent stopped listening to this album. Its up there with any of the greats debut album imo. Production is nearly better than the lyrics. Some of the beats are incredible.

Everyone has their own opinion & is into there different styles of rap but i cant understand how anyone can knock this album. Anyway i dont care im loving it

Stab*City · 29-09-2011 10:26am

Danow247 wrote: »

He is doing big numbers!! 115k copies sold on the 1st day. Projecting 225-250k first week! That is huge for a debut album.

http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/retail/j-cole-s-world-album-headed-for-no-1-on-1005376642.story

Havent stopped listening to this album. Its up there with any of the greats debut album imo. Production is nearly better than the lyrics. Some of the beats are incredible.

Everyone has their own opinion & is into there different styles of rap but i cant understand how anyone can knock this album. Anyway i dont care im loving it

Ill put it like this, it aint no
36 chambers,
2pacalyse now,
doggystyle,
paid in full,
illmatic,
college dropout,
ready to die,
criminal minded,
3 feet high and rising,
black on both sides,
the miseducation of,
things fall apart,
only built for cuban lynx,
the infamous,
strictly business,
lets get free,
southernplayalisticcadillacfunkymusic,
licenced to ill,
yo! bum rush the show,
endtroducing,
run dmc

and i could keep going and going.. the production barley ok up until imo the first anyway decent track no. 13

bigpoppa · 29-09-2011 10:41am

aint no classic at all at all ,passable at best, havent listened to it since, he went too soft imo

to be fair he was never gonna sound like wu tang as he dont look like ODB

Danow247 · 29-09-2011 11:53am

Stab*City wrote: »

Ill put it like this, it aint no
36 chambers,
2pacalyse now,
doggystyle,
paid in full,
illmatic,
college dropout,
ready to die,
criminal minded,
3 feet high and rising,
black on both sides,
the miseducation of,
things fall apart,
only built for cuban lynx,
the infamous,
strictly business,
lets get free,
southernplayalisticcadillacfunkymusic,
licenced to ill,
yo! bum rush the show,
endtroducing,
run dmc

and i could keep going and going.. the production barley ok up until imo the first anyway decent track no. 13

#

Barring the below i think its better than all of them

the miseducation of
illmatic,
college dropout,
ready to die

Obviously just have different tastes.

Stab*City · 29-09-2011 11:59am

Danow247 wrote: »

#

Barring the below i think its better than all of them

the miseducation of
illmatic,
college dropout,
ready to die

Obviously just have different tastes.

You think that wannabe Drake album is better than:

36 chambers,
2pacalyse now,
doggystyle,
paid in full,
criminal minded,
3 feet high and rising,
black on both sides,
things fall apart,
only built for cuban lynx,
the infamous,
strictly business,
lets get free,
southernplayalisticcadillacfunkymusic,
licenced to ill,
yo! bum rush the show,
endtroducing,
run dmc

Nuff said. I rest my case.

Orizio · 29-09-2011 3:46pm

Danow247 wrote: »

#

Barring the below i think its better than all of them

the miseducation of
illmatic,
college dropout,
ready to die

Obviously just have different tastes.

Ah jaysus.

mufcboy1999 · 29-09-2011 4:19pm

i like the album its pretty fu*king good imo a lot better than the rubbish thats called hip hop these days, imo cole is really nothing like drake just because he can sing his hooks doesn't mean he's comparable to drake...

those who compare him to drake... are you actually listening to the lyrical content? you cant deny the fact cole can rap and is the closet thing iv heard to pac in terms of story telling in his raps on the other hand drake is a pop star who actually cant rap aswell as being commercial as f*ck give me one piece of evidence to show cole has gone down the same pop route as drake, kanye, eminem, lil wayne, snoop, jay z, 50 etc etc i could go on all day... even reakwon who recently was working with the beaver justin!!!:mad:

most of his raps are not pop orientated at all, he raps about real things and real storys not like 99.9 per cent of studio gangsters or hip- pop rappers who use re-cycle the same bullsh*t all the time and half of them are not even who they say they are i.e a rick ross but look cole is not a gangsta rapper so to compare his work with other gangsta rappers like snoop, wu tang etc is just beyond stupid... he has a very different sound to a lot of the debut albums listed above! so judge it on what it is and what hip hop is these days because its nothing like it used to be when most of those albums were released..

but look eminem sings his hooks and makes pop music, kanye west does auto-tune and sings but both are considred top mc's but not in a drake bracket?

im confused as **** in todays hip hop, you have a rapper in cole who's a breath of fresh air and multi- talented as fu*k but because he's not rapping about how many bottles he's poppin in the club or how much money he has or who he is shooting up he's getting slated and labelled boring i don't get it, the actual album follows pretty much the same path as his mixtapes and if you have listened to them you should have expexted his album to sound the way it does! isnt that why we were fans of his in the 1st place?:)

but look im not trying to change anyone's opinions we all have different taste's thats why you have to watch what your comparing the album too imo.

liking this one big time!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MqDfEW6MhM

Boom_Bap · 29-09-2011 4:35pm

That 'Breakdown' song posted is pretty damn good.

PrettyBoy · 30-09-2011 1:21am

Really liking this album a lot, well worth the wait. Favorite tracks at the moment are probably Breakdown and Dollar and a Dream III, will admit there's 1 or 2 tracks I tend to skip but it's a very solid debut IMO. Album seems to be doing well sales wise too, 220k-220k predicted for first week which is great.

I'll give it 7.5/10.

CiaranMT · 30-09-2011 2:29am

Mufc, you're saying that you're confused that J. isn't getting the recognition that he got for his mixtapes.. I think that the likes of Friday Night Lights are a much better body of work than this current album. I say that as a big fan of Cole's. This album attempts to go hard in places and it doesn't work. His usual softer stuff doesn't work either.

I'd have paid for Friday Night Lights and possibly the Any Given Sunday series. Not this album.

Probably needs another good listen but I wasn't in any way taken by this.

Jimmy Iovine · 30-09-2011 3:00am

Danow247 wrote: »

#

Barring the below i think its better than all of them

the miseducation of
illmatic,
college dropout,
ready to die

Obviously just have different tastes.

Woah calm down there laddy. I think it's a great album. Love some of the songs on it. I think you're a bit hasty with your comment above.

Production wise it's nowhere near the level of Paid in Full and Endtroducing. That's not up for discussion.

He's a good lyricist alright but it pisses me off how focused part of the album is on pleasing the young female market. There are a few great songs in there that I just can't listen to because they are just ridiculously soppy and cringy. Could be part of the reason why he's seeing such great first week sales though. Can't blame him if that's the case.

As another poster said I'd have paid for Friday Night Lights. I played that to death. Nearly sick of it now I played it so much in the first few weeks.

Favourite songs are Dollar and a Dream III, God's Gift and Breakdown.
Mr. Nice Watch is forgettable. Dunno why Jigga went on that. Bad decision.

It's a bit early to say this but maybe he's not suited to the album format. Some artists pump out 3 mixtapes a year that are of an unreal standard yet stumble when it comes to the album. Chamillionaire has been doing this for 10 years. He got fúcked over by the label execs and it resulted in a poorish album by his mixtape standard.

Look at the 400 bars freestyle Game dropped a year or so back. Then see the follow up album. Dreadful in comparison. I can't explain it but some perform better on mixtapes and maybe, just maybe J Cole is one of them people

I think we expected too much on the basis of J Cole's mixtapes and it hasn't really worked out yet. He's still young and has a long career ahead of him. I definitely think he has the potential to throw out a classic.

mufcboy1999 · 30-09-2011 9:50am

CiaranMT wrote: »

Mufc, you're saying that you're confused that J. isn't getting the recognition that he got for his mixtapes.. I think that the likes of Friday Night Lights are a much better body of work than this current album. I say that as a big fan of Cole's. This album attempts to go hard in places and it doesn't work. His usual softer stuff doesn't work either.

I'd have paid for Friday Night Lights and possibly the Any Given Sunday series. Not this album.

Probably needs another good listen but I wasn't in any way taken by this.

No mate I'm saying I'm confused in general about today's hip hop and the state its in, but that's a whole different topic and will only cause another of topic argument with someone. I'm not saying this album is a classic but it is very good IMO, this is the thing and it's sort of highlighted by a poster above cole is a victim of his own success, he has set the bar so high in his mixtapes that it was nearly enitivatable that fans would compare his album to his mixtapes it happens to a lot of rappers not just cole that's why it was probaly a bad idea making such a good quality of music on his mixtapes, let's face it as you kind of said it, his mixtapes are like albums which is always a danger it can pay of but i don't think it has in Coles case because of the constant comparsions his album will get vs his tapes. He should have put out a lesser quality of music on his mixtapes but then you could argue he wouldn't have the same buzz as he does now???? But the one thing that annoys me is people putting him in a hip pop category when there's very little evidence out there to show he has gone down this route! Bare with this comment don't know how to make paragraphs on phone!

Shapey Fiend · 30-09-2011 10:31am

Everything about J Cole is fine but really, really, boring. He doesn't seem to have any discernible personality. His writing style is incredibly dull. Never listened to the 1st album but this one just sounds like a check list of track types your meant to do and they're done pretty weakly.

CiaranMT · 30-09-2011 11:52am

Shapey Fiend wrote: »

Everything about J Cole is fine but really, really, boring. He doesn't seem to have any discernible personality. His writing style is incredibly dull. Never listened to the 1st album but this one just sounds like a check list of track types your meant to do and they're done pretty weakly.

His first album is this one.

mufcboy1999 · 05-10-2011 9:12pm

after having some time to let the album sink in, i have to say i understand the critism he is getting here.

i find myself only listening to the same 3 or 4 songs the rest of the album is without a doubt very average with 1 or 2 terrible songs thrown in the mix and i can see why people are calling it boring, there a lot of album fillers on it where he really does struggle to keep my attention.

still a good album, just not what i was hoping for. Even though i said this album would be compared to his mixtapes I have to imithe some of his mixtapes are actually better than this album.

as said above, cole's young he's def gotta a classic in his locker imo but not this, cole world the sideline story is not it.:)

Makaveli · 06-10-2011 9:04pm

Stab*City wrote: »

You think that wannabe Drake album is better than:

things fall apart,

*cough* 4th album *cough*

I mean anyone is entitled to their opinion. I don't think you'll find many co-signing it as an instant classic. For me it doesn't match his mixtapes. It's just a bit too boring for me. As for the whole Drake thing, I only said this album was soft not that he sounded like Drake and this album is soft.

Shapey Fiend · 07-10-2011 12:01pm

RE: Earlier post. Can we stop comparing everything to Illmatic, Ready to Die and The Infamous please. It's like saying any new rock music is pointless because you really like The Beatles and The Rolling Stones better.

Orizio · 10-10-2011 12:16am

This **** is soooooooo soft.

Crann na Beatha · 05-11-2011 10:18pm

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Bobby Baccala · 05-11-2011 10:21pm

Veles wrote: »

so what j cole tracks would ye recommend to someone who hasnt listened to him?

personally i wouldnt.

Orizio · 05-11-2011 11:19pm

Veles wrote: »

so what j cole tracks would ye recommend to someone who hasnt listened to him?

'Rise & Shine'','Breakdown' and 'God's Gift'.

Jimmy Iovine · 05-11-2011 11:59pm

Veles wrote: »

so what j cole tracks would ye recommend to someone who hasnt listened to him?

Definitely 'Breakdown' and 'God's Gift', and these others as well are pretty good imo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf4AM5oigaQ

This one is my favourite on that mixtape. Love the beat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p74sRyhPNaU

Not technically his song but I love his verse on this. Twas the first time that I'd heard him anyway. Not easy to go onto a song with Jay-Z and more than hold your own on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE-BXBaGF9A

PrettyBoy · 06-11-2011 12:35am

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

personally i wouldnt.

That's because you refuse to listen to any music that was recorded after December 31st, 1999.

PrettyBoy · 06-11-2011 12:42am

Veles wrote: »

so what j cole tracks would ye recommend to someone who hasnt listened to him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2jWkwCHgaU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkJVehHdiOc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLFPB_lqnuY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5iq2prp0Es

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot0cfLa5vfg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=majPzL6mrMU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk8QCGWXD8g

Bobby Baccala · 06-11-2011 1:27am

PrettyBoy wrote: »

That's because you refuse to listen to any music that was recorded after December 31st, 1999.

I'd thank this post twice if i could.

CiaranMT · 06-11-2011 1:47am

Veles wrote: »

so what j cole tracks would ye recommend to someone who hasnt listened to him?

His mixtape, 'Friday Night Lights', is a good shout.

Da Shins Kelly · 06-11-2011 1:23pm

Still very undecided about how I feel about J. Cole. Some of his stuff is a bit soft and not exactly gripping enough for me, a little boring. I think I need to listen to a bit more though.

conor.hogan.2 · 06-11-2011 3:12pm

Home For The Holidays, blow up and back to the topic are actually pretty good.

But for me there is too many songs which are average or crap and each song is longer than it needs to be and has a lot of crap and repetition.

I really have to listen to blueprint 3, those jay verses are deadly.

Seaneh · 06-11-2011 8:48pm

Personal fave J. Cole song, contains my fave verse from this year

The more niggas sayin'
Cole the wrong one bringin' the city shine
All he ever doin' is paintin' pictures of crime
Tellin' stories of pain, paintin' pictures of dope
Bitch if you listen I'm paintin' pictures of hope
That boy in class embarrassed because he broke
Hopin' the day he won't be the butt of somebody's jokes
See me; I lived it all from dirt-poorin' and trailer
Worried about my mother and never trustin' my neighbors
To middle-class with a backyard and my own room
To bein' the only black kid in my homeroom
Academically gifted and followed my own rules
Was runnin' the streets hey ma I'll be home soon
Was out chasin' ho's, was out hoopin'
Them niggas wasn't ballin' but yet they was foul shootin'
So meet the newest role model who don't know how to fake this ****
Never sold a rock and look I made it bitch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sVQ_PuBKk0

Hugh Cream · 06-11-2011 10:28pm

giving friday night lights another listen, listened to it ages back and just wasnt feeling it, for what ever reason.

one of those moments when i gotta hold my hands up and say i was wrong, most songs are really really good, unless it goes drastically down hill between now and the end(only 8 tracks in) this one those moments i should have given an artist more time long before i did.