Mentored thread for Conn Ultra training

Izoard

Like myself, there were a few people talking about stepping up to Conn 2011 as their first venture into the mystic world of ultra running.

There was also some mention of one of the more experienced ultras running a mentor thread for the newbies?

Any takers?:)

menoscemo

This would be great if it happened. I would definately join the mentored group.

liamo123

That would be fab...Im in also

griffin100

I'd be up for this if it happened.

ecoli

Hey lads i think this is a great idea. Hope you dont mind me changing the thread name just thought it might invite some of the more experienced ultra guys and girls to read it rather than just the people who are looking to be mentored

Slogger Jogger

No better mentor on this thread than the man... Mick Rice. I'll pop him a PM to see if he's interested.

RacoonQueen

*RQ really wishes people would stop mentioning this race and making RQ want to run it*

menoscemo

RacoonQueen wrote: »

*RQ really wishes people would stop mentioning this race and making RQ want to run it*

But you're the one that sold it to me :pac:

gerard65

Question for those who have run both - For a first timer which would you recommend Dingle or Conn?

RacoonQueen

gerard65 wrote: »

Question for those who have run both - For a first timer which would you recommend Dingle or Conn?

Connemara is easier and has am incredible atmosphere. There is something really, really special about that race.

Dingle needs a couple more years to build up. Really enjoyable run but moe lonely and you really need to dig in to push yourself through it. In a few years dingle will be incredible in a few years.

You making the step up?

gerard65

RacoonQueen wrote: »

You making the step up?

I'd like to try one at some stage, need to tick it off the list. Maybe not next year but sometime. But I'd need to change the type of training I do - big time:)

RacoonQueen

If I can do dingle with no nutrition plan, 8 weeks training(well 5 really according to my log) and 2 60 mile weeks. You can do it with ease. My way is the fun way!

TFBubendorfer

RacoonQueen wrote: »

*RQ really wishes people would stop mentioning this race and making RQ want to run it*

Same here. I'll never break 3 hours in a marathon if I keep doing those damn ultras. If only they weren't so addictive!

sarsfieldsrock

gerard65 wrote: »

Question for those who have run both - For a first timer which would you recommend Dingle or Conn?

For a first timer the best one would be one that you haven't mentioned. This is the Portumna 50K. It is 10 laps of a flat 5k course with no traffic and loads of support. So all you have to do is turn up and run. Easy really.:D

Of the other two Connemara is definitely the easier of the two; obvious really as its 39.3 vs 50. There will also be more people doing it so you will have more company. It is also easier to get to as they run buses from Galway city.

Of course you could do the Longford Ultra this year. It is 39.3 miles and is on the same day as the marathon. It is a very flat course as well. They also give a great free feed at the pasta party in St Mels the night before. Very easy to get to and very well organised also.

rainbow kirby

sarsfieldsrock wrote: »

For a first timer the best one would be one that you haven't mentioned. This is the Portumna 50K. It is 10 laps of a flat 5k course with no traffic and loads of support. So all you have to do is turn up and run. Easy really.:D

I'd actually be tempted to give that a go next year :eek:

Enduro

There is nothing special about ultras that requires magical mentoring. There just races, like half marathons, marathons etc, only longer. scale up your training runs a bit, and run the races a relatively slow pace.

In my experience no amount of mentoring/coaching can get anywhere near the amount you will learn by simply getting out there and doing the runs. Don't use your first ultra as a big make or break target. Use it as a learning exercise and put your experience to use on your subsequent one. Make that one your main "target" race.

Beware of falling for the "progression" trap. Just because 50km, or 39.3 miles isnt too far beyond the marathon doesn't mean that they'll be the easiest ones to do, or the best ones to experiment with fo ultrarunning. Some people (quite a lot in the ultra world) would find these much harder to do than, say, a 24 hour race, as they are so "short and fast" in comparison.

Its no more necessary to build up through ultra distances (50km.. 100km .. 24 hours etc) than it is necessary to build up to a marathon by starting to race 100metres and building up through the distances until your finally "ready" to run a marathon. Indeed, if you were a natural marathoner then trying to train fo and compete at sprints would probably only convince you that running wasn't your thing.

A real world example of that would be Tony Mangan, who is a legendary Irish ultrarunner. His marathon PB isn't particularly impressive. Even his 100km pb isn't all that spectacular. However only 2 Irish men have managed to run further than him over 24hours, and he holds world records at 48 hours.

So just pick a race you'd like to do, and don't be afraid to go much longer than you've done before.

Izoard

Thanks Enduro...

I take your point, but the original purpose of the thread is to gather a bunch of like minded individuals who are attempting the Conn Ultra for the first time.
Looking at some of the mentored threads for DCM, these had a real benefit for the contributors.

It would be good if there was a seasoned Ultra-type who could chime in and act as the mentor for the thread.

Mick Rice

I'd be prepared to offer some guidance here. I'm not sure that I'll be on the thread every day, as my time is a little limited by circumstances at the moment. I'm also not the world's leading expert on ultras by any stretch but I hope I'd be able to offer basic advice and reasurance.

What I'd suggest for anyone who's aiming for the Connemara Ultra race is that they set out very briefly what they've done at longer distances over the last couple of years, what their current traing is like and what their ambitions for the race are.

I'm very conscious that there's a limit to what can be done on a thread like this but I suppose that shouldn't stop us trying to help each other.

Izoard

Cheers Mick,

A discussion thread for the Conn Ultra newbies with some input from time-to-time from some of the veterans would be great.

Background for me:

14 Marathons (PB 3:26 in 2004)

2010
Connemarathon 3;48.
Main objective was Ironman Switzerland, which was done in 12:07, with a 4:06 marathon split.
Was one of the 4:30 pacers for DCM.

For the Ultra, no idea what to expect beyond the 26.2, but hoping the IM activity will be a good starting point.

menoscemo

Cheers Mick.
I am a relative running newcomer. Started running in february 2009. Trained for DCM 2009 off the HH Novice 1 plan. My race series results suggested sub 4 should not be a problem but I bonked over the last 8 miles and came in at 4:15.

At The start of this year I had no intention of doing a marathon again, but I set out a series of goals over shorter distances for the year. I had achieved them all by june so followwed P&D 55 MPW programme to a 3:32 DCM this year. It was a much more enjoyable experience and I even negative splitted I have covered over 1500 miles for the year, so far injury free, so Intend to ramp it up a notch in 2011. The Conn ultra seems to fit into this plan well.

I also intend running the Barcelona Marathon in March and am wondering should I go for a sun 3:30 PB or just run it as a training run? My goal in Conemmara is Sub 6 hours (I have money riding on this outcome :pac:).

RacoonQueen

Go for sub 3:30 in Barca. I see no reason why you can't train for a fast marathon in Barca and then go into Connemara. Krusty and myself both did that last year.

sarsfieldsrock

Does anybody have any insights on the value of back to back long runs as training for an Ultra?

The Hal Higdon comrades plan places a lot of store on back to back long runs of up to 4 and 5 hours as part of the training. I did it for my first Conn Ultra in '08 but probably didn't do enough of them. ie I did two weekends of them (24 and 30 miles) 4 weeks out from the Ultra.
Other than that I was just doing long runs at the weekend like a normal marathon program. Admittedly these would have been longer than the normal ones but only by 4-5 miles.

At the time I wasn't doing much speed work as I just wanted to be sure that I would finish it. I did it in 6:43 but I had been aiming for 6:30 running at 10 min pace.
The plan was to run 3 2:10 halfs back to back. I tried to run the whole thing but had to go run/walk after 30 miles and I probably shouldn't have run the hill out of Leenane. I was 4:20 for the 26.22 which was bang on but I didn't realise how much was already gone out of me.
The last two years I haven't done as much training for it. Longest runs were 20 miles as I knew that I could get around with a run walk fairly comfortably.

I might try for the 6:30 again this year.

TFBubendorfer

I've run the Connemara Ultra 3 times and I'm happy to pass on anything I've learned over the years but I wouldn't be comfortable to "mentor" a whole gang of people, especially with the likes of Mick around who has run this a) about 3 times as often and b) almost an hour faster than me.

But if anyone wants my opinion on anything related to this race, I'm happy to pass it on.

Disclaimer: at this point in time I am not planning on running this race next year

TFBubendorfer

sarsfieldsrock wrote: »

Does anybody have any insights on the value of back to back long runs as training for an Ultra?

The Hal Higdon comrades plan places a lot of store on back to back long runs of up to 4 and 5 hours as part of the training. I did it for my first Conn Ultra in '08 but probably didn't do enough of them. ie I did two weekends of them (24 and 30 miles) 4 weeks out from the Ultra.

Judging from my training for Connemara and Dingle this year, I would be wary to do too many back-to-back runs.

For Connemara I trained like a marathon runner but with longer long runs (the longest being 1x30 miles, 1x26.6 miles, 1x25 miles). During the race I felt very comfortable cruising along at 8:00 pace. I fact, I had to hold myself back to run that pace over the first third.

For Dingle I did training that would have been much closer to Hal Higdon's ultra plan, including 7 runs of at least marathon distance over 5 weeks, including a weekend of 32/27 miles and another of 30/26.5 miles, all over very hill territory, up to half of it on Kerry mountain trails.

In theory I should have been much better prepared for an ultra, in reality my "cruising" pace over the first 10 miles was closer to 8:20 and in hindsight even that was a little bit too fast. I also ran the first 39 miles in Dingle in about 5:45, which is half an hour slower than Connemara. I know Dingle featured Conor Pass during those miles and obviously I had to keep enough in store for the final 11 miles, but fact is that I felt more comfortable running a faster pace in Connemara than a slower one in Dingle.

Then again, to find out which works better for you the only thing is to try both and experience the results.

RacoonQueen

sarsfieldsrock wrote: »

Does anybody have any insights on the value of back to back long runs as training for an Ultra?

The Hal Higdon comrades plan places a lot of store on back to back long runs of up to 4 and 5 hours as part of the training. I did it for my first Conn Ultra in '08 but probably didn't do enough of them. ie I did two weekends of them (24 and 30 miles) 4 weeks out from the Ultra.
Other than that I was just doing long runs at the weekend like a normal marathon program. Admittedly these would have been longer than the normal ones but only by 4-5 miles.

At the time I wasn't doing much speed work as I just wanted to be sure that I would finish it. I did it in 6:43 but I had been aiming for 6:30 running at 10 min pace.
The plan was to run 3 2:10 halfs back to back. I tried to run the whole thing but had to go run/walk after 30 miles and I probably shouldn't have run the hill out of Leenane. I was 4:20 for the 26.22 which was bang on but I didn't realise how much was already gone out of me.
The last two years I haven't done as much training for it. Longest runs were 20 miles as I knew that I could get around with a run walk fairly comfortably.

I might try for the 6:30 again this year.

I'm a big advocate of back to back LSRs. Obviously I did Dingle much slower than you, but I'd never have had the confidence to even try it if I didn't do numerous back to backs. I find it much easier to do 2 x 20 miles than 1 x 30. Just in my head obviously, I always did the second run faster than the first by an average of 15 sec/mile. Act as a good confidence builder. I didn't have the endurance base at all for Dingle though. The time I got to 39.3, even taking into account the Connor Pass, says that. Depends on the person as well. I find the back to back LSR's suit me better than the alternative.

Going by your performance in Dingle and DCM you'll smash 6:30.

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

Disclaimer: at this point in time I am not planning on running this race next year

Same. I love this race though. The whole atmosphere in Connemara is second to none. Ray O'Connor and his team do a great job with these three races, right down to the handshake as you cross the finish line you feel like you're an important part of the day. Even if I don't run it in 2011 I plan to go back to Connemara a hell of a lot. Only race I've done that pushes DCM as my favourite race.

Oisin11178

Ill be doing conn ultra next year. Target at the moment is 6 hours.

Magnet

When I ran Dublin in 2008 in 3:23 I thought if I took it down one gear I might be able to run farther so with Connemara Ultra in mind, took November off completely and followed a marathon plan, I added a long run to each of the longer runs i.e. back-to-back runs of 15/12, 18/16, 20/21 etc.
I treated it in 3 half-marathons and targetted it around 8min pace.
Had a wobbly moment around 32miles but got on with it and finished under 5:30
It`s a fantastic race! I love it, love it, love it (I`m a bit biased as my first ever marathon was Connemara in 2006 in an amazingly fast time of 4:37...:o ) and I`m signed up again for 2011 Ultra!!

So who`s in?

hot to trot

I started running from scratch in April 08.
1st marathon April 09 followed by three more that year.
7 marathon this year and a 50k and the 24 hour ( 137km)
The longer the better as I am quite slow but love being out there for ages.

Am down for Comrades next May and will be doing Connemara Ultra as a training run. Am nervous about this especially as not many hills were I live. Will follow the New Zealand Ultra runners 100k training programme.

In training for the 50k I did 10/10 or 26/10 milers every alternate weekend for about 8-10 weeks. I would like to try occasional long runs 5-7 hours rather than back to backs all the time as I think there is too much recovery time between them to be able to manage the leap to major hours on the feet on the day.

Morgoth

First timer here also, doing Connemara Ultra and would also like to do Portumna 50k.

11 marathons in the bag with 3:09 PB in Dublin 2010.

Plan is to re-build the base miles over November/December then ramp it up in Jan/Feb. Hoping to do weekends of back-to-back LSRs (to total 36+ miles each weekend), and maybe alternating these with weekends with an extra-long run (so maybe a 10m + 26/27m).

Have also joined a gym and plan on doing at least some leg strength work. I assume the trick is to learn to deal with running when tired. So maybe brief treadmill warm-up, followed by weight session, followed by more treadmill. Will see how it goes.

All new territory so mostly I am looking forward to the challenge / experience.

edit: hot to trot - do you think a really long run is beneficial in training? I guess you are talking about 35+ miles at once. Speaking from no experience of such things... but are you not then actually doing the race (more or less) as part of your training, rather than learning to run when tired, which is what 20 miles the day after another 20 miles is all about (or a 10 miler the day after a marathon as a training run).

Mick Rice

It’s great to see so many enthusiastic potential Conne Ultra people for 2011. It really is a special race in a special place and a great place to test the ultra waters. We also seem to have quite a few other experienced ultra-heads with Magnet and TFB contributing. Between us, I think we can help anyone who's contemplating this race to get over any unnecessary worries or anxieties. The necessary ones they’ll have to work on themselves :-) As well as having run quite a few ultras at different distances between us, we’ve also got a good deal of experience out on the course and, in Connemara at least, that counts for a lot.

When I started running ultras and casting around for guidance, one of the things that struck me most was the dearth of decent advice. The people who were actively engaged in the sport tended not to take the time to coach or advise. The advice that I did to find was useful to some degree, but often only covered broad principles and sometimes boiled down to ‘set off slowly and taper off from there’, which wasn’t what I was really looking for.

One obvious thing to say is that there are no ‘one-size-fits-all’ programmes for training for an ultra. Even ‘baby’ ultras like Connemara present an individual challenge for each and every starter. In deciding how best to train for a race like this you have to stop, look around yourself and consider what will suit your own needs and capabilities best, rather than how best you can adapt to somebody else’s training programme.

Having said that there are of course broad principles that will apply to everyone. The foundation of every ultra-marathon training regime will be miles. Quite how many miles, and in what configuration is where the individualization begins. What each of us need to work out is how best to cover as many training miles as we’re able while still enjoying the process. I’ve never liked or advocated prescriptive training plans because they’re so often counter productive. When people deviate from a set plan they often consider that they’ve failed and so lose heart. If we start from the point of view that we’ll do our best, given the hand that we’ve been dealt, there’s a much better chance that we’ll feel good about our training. Given that I would assume none of us are going to break world records, or claim gold medals in London in 2012, the most important is that we enjoy and are satisfied with the running we do, therefore it follows that anything we can do to help our selves enjoy the process is a good thing.

What I’ll do over the next few days is to look more closely at the individuals who’ve contributed to the thread and then come back with something a bit more specific. In some cases I’ll use PMs and more often I’ll post here directly. For the moment I think the best thing that anyone who is training with the Connemara Ultra in the back of their mind could do is to start working out, and putting into practice, how they can comfortably build mileage.

More soon.

Wally Runs

Wally Runs,

I paid up last night for the Conn Ultra. It is to be my first, so all advice welcome. I will list out my experience and needs below.

Running History:
12 Marathons since 2007
Slowest, 5.48 (Medoc 2007) and fastest 3.48 (Brussels 2010)

Target for Connemara:
To finish and not be taken off the course. Enjoy the day and training and live to repeat it.
Expect to finish in around 6:45?

Concerns:
Not so much the distance or time on my feet but nutrients and energy beyond 26.2 miles.

Would like to know:
Source materials, books, web sites and the like, I plan to use an extended marathon plan, throw in some VLSR etc. but I have to research some more. Not into hardcore running thanks, no Palaeolithic diets for me please! and advice for the day in due course, packing bags etc.

griffin100

There are some interesting articles on ultra running and training plans here.

I'm comtemplating the Conn Ultra. To date I've only done two marathons, both this year. My first was part of an IM and was 4.42 (after over 7 hours on the bike:D) and I did DCM last week in 3.52. The rough plan for next year would be to do either standard Connemara marathon or the ultra, with an eye on an IM (possibly a DIM) later in the year.

Oisin11178

May as well post my stats as ive decided to concentqate on ultras next year.
Ive ran 15 marathons, first in aug 09 in 3.40 and fastest in april 10 in 3.13.
Ive never ran an ultra buu have ran beyond marathon distance a few times. I have a 50k in january in England. Still deciding what pace ill run that at. Advice welcome.

aburke

The best, and indeed only, bit of advice for Connemarathon Ultra runners that I can offer is to sign up early.
Committing to take on the race in this thread doesn't guarantee you entry

RacoonQueen

aburke wrote: »

The best, and indeed only, bit of advice for Connemarathon Ultra runners that I can offer is to sign up early.
Committing to take on the race in this thread doesn't guarantee you entry

Are entries nearing close yet? Closed really early last year. Don't want to miss out if I do decide to run a Connemara event.

Wally - the Lore of Running has some stuff on Ultras in it.

aburke

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Are entries nearing close yet? Closed really early last year.

It will probably be the same as last year, if not a little earlier.
Last year we allowed Ultra entries a little longer, but that is decided on a year by year basis, so can't guarantee it will be like that this year.

Mick Rice

From looking back through the thread, I think we have the following posters planning or considering doing the Conne Ultra so far. I've appended a couple of notes beside most of the name names to remind us all where people are coming from, with some few exceptions. Feel free to fill in more notes or to change as you think best. If anyone can format this more clearly, please do. If I've left anyone out please jump in. If anyone else joins the thread it might be good if you added your name to this list and reposted.

Izoard - Multiple Marathons - pb 3:26
Menoscemo - Marathon PB 3:32, considering Barcellona 2011 five weeks before Conemara Ultra
Sarsfieldrock
Liamo123 -
Griffin100 - 2 Marathons in 2010. IM finisher. DCM 2010 - 3:52.
Slogger Jogger -
Racoon Queen -
Oisin 11178 - Multiple marathons - pb 3:10 - Target 6 hours
Hot to Trot - Multiple marathons and 2 ultras. Comrades May 2011
Morgoth - First Timer. 11 Marathons (3:09 PB).
Wally Runs - 12 marathons since 2007 (3:48 PB). Target is to finish.

My own experience is know to some I suppose, but obviously not all. I've run around 35 marathons and ultras at distances up to 100 miles and experimented with one 24 hour race last year. My marathon pb is 2:44:31 in Dublin this year and my Connemara Ultra pb is 4:28:33, also this year. I'm also old, balding and short :-)

As this thread is all about the Conemara Ultra any advice I'd offer has to be seen in the light of that particular race rather than training for ultras generally. To a large degree I still struggle to know how to train properly for longer ultras myself, but I'm hoping that some of my experience with this particular race will be helpful.

One point that has been raised here is the value of back-to-back long runs and I'd agree with the point of view that the applicability of this type of training is very much up to the individual. For myself, I've never used them and don't think they're essential, even for the longer distances. In preparing for this race there are a range of known techniques that anyone can use to prepare and, with the exception of a reasonably high volume of miles, I don't believe that any one of them is absolutely essential. The main reasons I don't use this method are that I don't recover well from efforts like that and that I believe it increases the chance of injury significantly. I always view distance training generally as an evolving process where we you place one metaphorical brick on top of another as training progresses. For me, back-to-back long runs knocks too many bricks off the stack at one go to be worth the investment. If you recover well from these runs and have used them profitably in the past then, of course, stick with them.

As we know the Connemara Ultra is basically an extended marathon. In my view the best way to train for it is to take whatever works well for you in terms of standard marathon training and then to adapt that approach slightly to take account of the longer distance involved. The most obvious adaptation to any standard marathon programme is to add extra miles to your training week, but there are many different ways of doing that. There can be more to it than just adding 5 miles to your Sunday long run. Less obvious adaptations are weight training, cross-training, hill work, extended tempo runs, plyometric stretching and running daily doubles. I believe that we all need to select from this broad palette of options the techniques that suit us best. If we're interested and engaged in the process there's a greater chance we'll follow through on the initial commitment. I'd also encourage people to experiment with the training methods that they've not tried before. There is a tendency amongst many runners to stick with the 'tried and tested' ways of training and that came sometimes get in the way of new, more interesting and more effective ways of preparing for the big day.

More later.

Izoard

I think I'll frame that post, Mick!

Great to hear that about the back-to-backs...was never a fan for precisely that reason.

The cross-training aspect to extend marathon endurance is also music to my ears

liamo123

Where We Are

From looking back through the thread, I think we have the following posters planning or considering doing the Conne Ultra so far. I've appended a couple of notes beside most of the name names to remind us all where people are coming from, with some few exceptions. Feel free to fill in more notes or to change as you think best. If anyone can format this more clearly, please do. If I've left anyone out please jump in. If anyone else joins the thread it might be good if you added your name to this list and reposted.

Izoard - Multiple Marathons - pb 3:26
Menoscemo - Marathon PB 3:32, considering Barcellona 2011 five weeks before Conemara Ultra
Sarsfieldrock
Liamo123 - 5 Marathons in last 12mths.PB:2.59.02..also doing Barca in March
Griffin100 - 2 Marathons in 2010. IM finisher. DCM 2010 - 3:52.
Slogger Jogger -
Racoon Queen -
Oisin 11178 - Multiple marathons - pb 3:10 - Target 6 hours
Hot to Trot - Multiple marathons and 2 ultras. Comrades May 2011
Morgoth - First Timer. 11 Marathons (3:09 PB).
Wally Runs - 12 marathons since 2007 (3:48 PB). Target is to finish.

My own experience is know to some I suppose, but obviously not all. I've run around 35 marathons and ultras at distances up to 100 miles and experimented with one 24 hour race last year. My marathon pb is 2:44:31 in Dublin this year and my Connemara Ultra pb is 4:28:33, also this year. I'm also old, balding and short :-)

As this thread is all about the Conemara Ultra any advice I'd offer has to be seen in the light of that particular race rather than training for ultras generally. To a large degree I still struggle to know how to train properly for longer ultras myself, but I'm hoping that some of my experience with this particular race will be helpful.

One point that has been raised here is the value of back-to-back long runs and I'd agree with the point of view that the applicability of this type of training is very much up to the individual. For myself, I've never used them and don't think they're essential, even for the longer distances. In preparing for this race there are a range of known techniques that anyone can use to prepare and, with the exception of a reasonably high volume of miles, I don't believe that any one of them is absolutely essential. The main reasons I don't use this method are that I don't recover well from efforts like that and that I believe it increases the chance of injury significantly. I always view distance training generally as an evolving process where we you place one metaphorical brick on top of another as training progresses. For me, back-to-back long runs knocks too many bricks off the stack at one go to be worth the investment. If you recover well from these runs and have used them profitably in the past then, of course, stick with them.

As we know the Connemara Ultra is basically an extended marathon. In my view the best way to train for it is to take whatever works well for you in terms of standard marathon training and then to adapt that approach slightly to take account of the longer distance involved. The most obvious adaptation to any standard marathon programme is to add extra miles to your training week, but there are many different ways of doing that. There can be more to it than just adding 5 miles to your Sunday long run. Less obvious adaptations are weight training, cross-training, hill work, extended tempo runs, plyometric stretching and running daily doubles. I believe that we all need to select from this broad palette of options the techniques that suit us best. If we're interested and engaged in the process there's a greater chance we'll follow through on the initial commitment. I'd also encourage people to experiment with the training methods that they've not tried before. There is a tendency amongst many runners to stick with the 'tried and tested' ways of training and that came sometimes get in the way of new, more interesting and more effective ways of preparing for the big day.

More later.[/QUOTE]

menoscemo

Where We Are


Izoard - Multiple Marathons - pb 3:26
Menoscemo - Marathon PB 3:32, Doing Barcellona 2011 five weeks before Conemara Ultra, considering racing it.
Sarsfieldrock
Liamo123 - 5 Marathons in last 12mths.PB:2.59.02..also doing Barca in March
Griffin100 - 2 Marathons in 2010. IM finisher. DCM 2010 - 3:52.
Slogger Jogger -
Racoon Queen -
Oisin 11178 - Multiple marathons - pb 3:10 - Target 6 hours
Hot to Trot - Multiple marathons and 2 ultras. Comrades May 2011
Morgoth - First Timer. 11 Marathons (3:09 PB).
Wally Runs - 12 marathons since 2007 (3:48 PB). Target is to finish.

Izoard

Name|Experience|Target
Izoard|14 Marathons + 1 IM PB 3.26|Sub 7
Menoscemo| PB 3.32|???
Sarsfieldrock|???|???
Liamo123|5 Marathons in 12 months PB 2.59|???
Griffin100|2 Marathons + 1 IM PB 3.52|???
Slogger Jogger|???|???
Racoon Queen|Legend:)|???
Oisin 11178|Multiple Marathons PB 3.10|Sub 6
Hot to Trot|Multiple Marathons + 2 Ultras|???
Morgoth|11 Marathons PB 3.09|???
Wally Runs|12 Marathons PB 3.48|Finish

Izoard

Damn, not as pretty as I'd hoped!:)

Maybe someone else has better table skills...

Oisin11178

Great post mick. Im doing a bit of core work already, cant stand the crosstrainer but i do a bit of cycling. Ive got an 4 marathons planned between now and conn, also other ultra in janurary. Its 50km and at the moment im planning to do it somewhere between 8 and 8.15 min miles.

hot to trot

Izoard. Hoping to do my marathon just sub 4 soon but I havent the foggiest notion of what kind of time that might translate to in Connemara. Fill in whatever you think might be appropriate

Izoard

Izoard wrote: »

Name|Experience|Target
Izoard|14 Marathons + 1 IM PB 3.26|Sub 7
Menoscemo| PB 3.32|???
Sarsfieldrock|???|???
Liamo123|5 Marathons in 12 months PB 2.59|???
Griffin100|2 Marathons + 1 IM PB 3.52|???
Slogger Jogger|???|???
Racoon Queen|Legend:)|???
Oisin 11178|Multiple Marathons PB 3.10|Sub 6
Hot to Trot|Multiple Marathons + 2 Ultras|Sub 7
Morgoth|11 Marathons PB 3.09|???
Wally Runs|12 Marathons PB 3.48|Finish

griffin100

Fantastic post Mick. A lot of what you talk about as potential training options fits well with what I was planning for for the next few months, especially cross training, hill runs (and cycles) and double run session days. Must try and come up with a target time...........I think I'm gonna enjoy this challenge.

Lex Luther

griffin100 wrote: »

Fantastic post Mick. A lot of what you talk about as potential training options fits well with what I was planning for for the next few months, especially cross training, hill runs (and cycles) and double run session days. Must try and come up with a target time...........I think I'm gonna enjoy this challenge.

I KNEW you'd end up doing this .......good luck mate !

griffin100

Lex Luther wrote: »

I KNEW you'd end up doing this .......good luck mate !

Cheers, I'll leave the sub 3 hr marathons to you. Best of luck in New York.

Aimman

Feck, I've had my eye off the ball in the last week after DCM, Only seen this thread now. I better but my name down on the list.

Name|Experience|Target
Izoard|14 Marathons + 1 IM PB 3.26|Sub 7
Menoscemo| PB 3.32|???
Sarsfieldrock|???|???
Liamo123|5 Marathons in 12 months PB 2.59|???
Griffin100|2 Marathons + 1 IM PB 3.52|???
Slogger Jogger|???|???
Racoon Queen|Legend:)|???
Oisin 11178|Multiple Marathons PB 3.10|Sub 6
Hot to Trot|Multiple Marathons + 2 Ultras|Sub 7
Morgoth|11 Marathons PB 3.09|???
Wally Runs|12 Marathons PB 3.48|Finish
Aimman|Multiple marathons & 2 ultras|Sub 6:15


Have my eye on 6 Ultras for 2011, but not sure if I'll get all of them in.

Oisin11178

Which 6 Eamonn?

Woddle

Episode 24 of marathon talk might be worth a listen
http://www.marathontalk.com/archive/2010/6/23/episode-24-scott-jurek.html
It involves an interview with Scott Jurek