Pope UK visit mega discussion thread.

conorhal

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

You see that when the pope talks about the Nazi's eradicating religion from
society, which is untrue, and then talks about how a society without
god would reduce man straight after talking about the nazi's is just
scaremongering.

I'm an athiest myself, but you have to consider that the man was speaking from his own personal experience of Nazi Germany, and such an experience is bound to shape a persons frame of refrence.

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

So you understand that the pope was lying about the Nazi's eradicating
religion as well. I don't know how you failed to scold the pope for his
word twisting after you, I assume, read the pope's transcript too..

Well, in Hitlers own words in 1941: "National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew"

That seems like pretty clear and blunt statement about the subject of religion and Hitlers views on it.

prinz

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

I don't see how this misinformation does nothing when a woman cannot
buy contraceptives because her society shuns them because they are
evil.

Which society would this be?

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

We all await your stellar proof as to how they are blameless, especially in countries in Africa where catholicism
is the majority religion.

As I said, countries where Roman Catholicism is more prevalent than other Christian denominations have a markedly lower rate of HIV/AIDS than countries where Roman Catholicism has a lesser presence than many other denominations.Only one country bucks the trend and that is Lesotho IIRC, simply because it is completely landlocked and desperately poor. Many people go to South Africa for work/to live etc, exposing themselves. The facts speak for themselves, countries where Islam and Roman Catholicism have a majority presence have demonstrably lower HIV/AIDS rates than others. Though this fact seems to be buried time and time again.

So I am not sure why RC is shouldering the blame for AIDS rates among non-Catholics? Or what lies the Pope should be arrested for propagating?

btw the majority of your links seem to refer to a incident alreay dealt with on this thread, and Pope John Paul II...

Links234

curlzy wrote: »

Oh my god me too, that would have been the best day ever, definately would have helped to restore my faith in humanity!!!! I know they talked about it and let's be fair anyone else hiding and helping pedobears would have been arrested but in fairness that's a pretty huge undertaking, I'm not really too surprised they backed down.

yeah, they didn't have the guts to do it, and I didn't really expect they would but it would have been amazing if they did. I don't know why they even entertained his visit though, if I was the queen I wouldn't have met with him or anything, he's a bastard

strobe

conorhal wrote: »

Well, in Hitlers own words in 1941: "National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew"

That seems like pretty clear and blunt statement about the subject of religion and Hitlers views on it.

One would think so. But when he made public statements like "The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life." and ""The National Government regards the two Christian confessions (i.e. Catholicism and Protestantism) as factors essential to the soul of the German people. ... We hold the spiritual forces of Christianity to be indispensable elements in the moral uplift of most of the German people." It becomes less clear.

Then in Mein Kampf you read things like "The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will."

Hitler made a lot of pretty clear and blunt statements about religion. Clear and blunt and frequently contradictory. The guy was a homicidal megalomaniacal meth addict. We probably aren't going to have much luck second guessing his religious convictions one way or the other.

sponsoredwalk

conorhal wrote: »

I'm an athiest myself, but you have to consider that the man was speaking from his own personal experience of Nazi Germany, and such an experience is bound to shape a persons frame of refrence.




Well, in Hitlers own words in 1941: "National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew"

That seems like pretty clear and blunt statement about the subject of religion and Hitlers views on it.

I was going to ignore this thread seeing as ultimately its fruitless trying
to argue with a bunch of christians who'll actually invoke Godwin's Law
but this made me laugh too hard to not respond:

edit: whoops, wrong video in the wrong thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyCiy8_-lpc

Watch until the very end!

NB: not at conorhal who is an atheist yet sees it fit to pull out godwin