* Everything HPAT and Medicine for 2011 *

Jaafa

Neither is the LC and Hpat. Choose your poison really.

kellogscoffey

Jaafa wrote: »

Neither is the LC and Hpat. Choose your poison really.

Ooh nice line :P I'm prepared to repeat once. After that its graduate I'd say

jumpguy

Jaafa wrote: »

Yeah No way Ill repeat though. Rather go through the graduate route if it comes to that.

Graduate route:
4 years in some course you don't really want to do to get a 2:1 degree + GAMSAT + Heaps of debt (unless you've some well-off sponsor) + a loooot of time in college.

And GAMSAT means it's not guaranteed either.



Now, although it's harder to get in the undergraduate route, it's much shorter and cheaper. Repeating will only take a year and in the long run, if you really want to do medicine, is probably worth it.

kellogscoffey

jumpguy wrote: »

Graduate route:
4 years in some course you don't really want to do to get a 2:1 degree + GAMSAT + Heaps of debt (unless you've some well-off sponsor) + a loooot of time in college.

And GAMSAT means it's not guaranteed either.



Now, although it's harder to get in the undergraduate route, it's much shorter and cheaper. Repeating will only take a year and in the long run, if you really want to do medicine, is probably worth it.

I'm prepared to repeat once. And now, I'm prepared to repeat after that again :P

lctake2

now it's easier though as if it's only your hpat that needs work you can just repeat that and not bother with the lc and vice versa. i was a repeat and my cousin is a graduate entrant, i took an extra year of my life out to get medicine, she's taken 4 of hers plus a hell of alot of money so it's insane the way people think that graduate entry is the easy way out.

maire66

hi this is my first post here!! i agree that graduate entry is alot tougher!! i did my leaving and hpat last year but i didnt get medicine because of the hpat so im repeating it this year!!

alot of my friends who didnt get in either chose to do biomed/science and think there going to sail through and do graduate entry!! but i thot 1year out was definitely alot better than 4!!!

is n e 1 else repeating from last year????

Jaafa

jumpguy wrote: »

Graduate route:
4 years in some course you don't really want to do to get a 2:1 degree + GAMSAT + Heaps of debt (unless you've some well-off sponsor) + a loooot of time in college.

And GAMSAT means it's not guaranteed either.



Now, although it's harder to get in the undergraduate route, it's much shorter and cheaper. Repeating will only take a year and in the long run, if you really want to do medicine, is probably worth it.

Actually. Undergraduate + repeat equals 7 years total.

Graduate is 4+5 equals 9 years total.

So only 2 years extra with an extra degree.

Just because med would be your first choice doesn't mean you wont find other courses interesting and a good use of your time.

kellogscoffey

Jaafa wrote: »

Actually. Undergraduate + repeat equals 7 years total.

Graduate is 4+5 equals 9 years total.

So only 2 years extra with an extra degree.

Just because med would be your first choice doesn't mean you wont find other courses interesting and a good use of your time.

And Graduate medicine in UCC is only a four year course, which makes 4+4=8.

jumpguy

Jaafa wrote: »

Actually. Undergraduate + repeat equals 7 years total.

Graduate is 4+5 equals 9 years total.

So only 2 years extra with an extra degree.

Just because med would be your first choice doesn't mean you wont find other courses interesting and a good use of your time.

Undergrad is only 5 years if you skip premed, so that's a 3 year difference and whole lot of money. That's also assuming GAMSAT goes well the first time...

kellogscoffey

Anyone considering England, Scotland or Europe?

David1994

How much study should i do now in 5th year if i want get enough points for medicine??
Also, is 570 the least amount of points you need to do medicine?
Any advice??:D

dambarude

Nobody can answer that 'how much should I study' question. Keep up with your work and study for your tests in 5th year and you should be fine.

You need 480 points to medicine, on top of doing the HPAT. Realistically I'd say very few people who get 480 get into the course. Your points will be added to your HPAT score to give an overall total. A good LC won't guarantee you medicine though- you'll need to do well in the HPAT.

partyatmygaff

You need to achieve at the 515 points to be competitive (Although 480 is the theoretical minimum) and to top that you need an excellent HPAT. A 600 points LC and a poor HPAT will not get you in to Medicine. A relatively poor LC (Lets say 515 points) and a great HPAT however can get you in to medicine.

Ciaramb92

partyatmygaff wrote: »

A relatively poor LC (Lets say 515 points) and a great HPAT however can get you in to medicine.

:eek:

partyatmygaff

Ciaramb92 wrote: »

:eek:

We're talking medicine here

Ciaramb92

partyatmygaff wrote: »

We're talking medicine here

:rolleyes: Suppose.. Still doesn't sound right though..! :P

Teutorix

Depends how much natural ability you have, if you have a natural talent for learning then you could do it with an average level of studying. The HPAT however is the real deciding factor because people who get 600 points might have a ****e HPAT and not get into medicine.

randylonghorn

Teutorix wrote: »

Depends how much natural ability you have, if you have a natural talent for learning then you could do it with an average level of studying. The HPAT however is the real deciding factor because people who get 600 points might have a ****e HPAT and not get into medicine.

LC results are capped at 560 for Med anyway ... your basic point is correct though.

Teutorix

randylonghorn wrote: »

LC results are capped at 560 for Med anyway ... your basic point is correct though.

Oh yeah, forgot that.

QueenOfLeon

If you get 550 you're only 10 points behind the people that get 600, you're giving yourself the best chance by getting from 550 up. The HPAT really is the deciding factor though. The lowest LC I know of in my class is around 520, with a HPAT of over 190 (94th-ish percentile).

kellogscoffey

And the points are a bit of a langer anyway like, sure they could easilty pop up another 10 points or so this year.

kellogscoffey

Teutorix wrote: »

Depends how much natural ability you have, if you have a natural talent for learning then you could do it with an average level of studying. The HPAT however is the real deciding factor because people who get 600 points might have a ****e HPAT and not get into medicine.

Does anyone know what the normal amount of HPAT points required was?

QueenOfLeon

kellogscoffey wrote: »

Does anyone know what the normal amount of HPAT points required was?

With a leaving cert of 600 you would have needed at the very least 160 this year, which is in and around the 60th percentile (I think).

jumpguy

Lads.

Did shít in my first HPAT practice. Ran outta time about 25 questions into Section 1, and half-way through section 3. I got most of my section 1 answers right, but that's barely over 50%. Section 3 was an epic fail, only got 9 right. Section 2 was the best section, I finished it and only got 8 wrong.

Should I be worried, or is it common for people to run out of time on their first run... I never realised how strict you have to be with it...

theowen

jumpguy wrote: »

Lads.

Did shít in my first HPAT practice. Ran outta time about 25 questions into Section 1, and half-way through section 3. I got most of my section 1 answers right, but that's barely over 50%. Section 3 was an epic fail, only got 9 right. Section 2 was the best section, I finished it and only got 8 wrong.

Should I be worried, or is it common for people to run out of time on their first run... I never realised how strict you have to be with it...

I finished my first and only practice test early, then ran out of time in the real two I did:rolleyes: Just practice and you'll improve!

dtfo

jumpguy wrote: »

Lads.

Did shít in my first HPAT practice. Ran outta time about 25 questions into Section 1, and half-way through section 3. I got most of my section 1 answers right, but that's barely over 50%. Section 3 was an epic fail, only got 9 right. Section 2 was the best section, I finished it and only got 8 wrong.

Should I be worried, or is it common for people to run out of time on their first run... I never realised how strict you have to be with it...

Just done it myself today. Found that the time I went over on section 1 was easily made up in section 2 - spent 15 mins too much on 1 but only took 20 mins on 2.

I suppose its best to weight it so you spend more time on the section that troubles you

theowen

dtfo wrote: »

Just done it myself today. Found that the time I went over on section 1 was easily made up in section 2 - spent 15 mins too much on 1 but only took 20 mins on 2.

I suppose its best to weight it so you spend more time on the section that troubles you

You don't decide how much time you spend on each section sure. Once you spend the designated 40 minutes or whatever on section A you're not allowed to look at A again.

QueenOfLeon

If you know when you go in the exact time you have for each question its easier to keep control over how long you spend on 1 question. I think you have just over a minute for each one. It is pressurised in the exam, you just have to learn to abandon a tricky one in order to get them all done, instead of wasting time.

Also, not to be the bearer of bad news, but beware of section 2...its a lot harder in the real hpat! I haven't seen the practise books for this year but if the 2009 practise book was anything to go by, there was a huge difference. It ended up as my worst section in the real hpat when it was my best in the practise. Some of it was vocabulary wise, I used to read a lot but there were words in the options that I had never heard of before, which hadn't happened with the practise book.

jumpguy

dtfo wrote: »

Just done it myself today. Found that the time I went over on section 1 was easily made up in section 2 - spent 15 mins too much on 1 but only took 20 mins on 2.

I suppose its best to weight it so you spend more time on the section that troubles you

Wait, wait.

I thought you had 65 minutes for ONLY section 1. This means that once the time is up, they take up the section 1 paper and you cannot carry extra time from section 2 and go back and do more section 1. Or can you? If not, I could've gone back and spent that extra 10 minutes going back to section 1!

Can someone clarify?

QueenOfLeon - I got the new practise test, I did the practise test 1 last year (messed up the time limits though - I think. I used extra time I had in sections to do other sections, which I thought you're not allowed do...) and the new practise test definitely has a harder section 2, but it still was suspiciously easy enough, I thought so anyway.

TheOwen - Hopefully my case will be the exact opposite! :pac:

Don't worry lads, not at panic stations yet. I just completely underestimated the importance of time and the difficulty of the HPAT. Need to be more strict with my time per question...

QueenOfLeon

The answer sheet is the exact same, with all 3 columns on it. The test book isn't 3 separate booklets, they're all together, so they don't take it up after each section BUT its made very clear that you can't skip back to section 1 once the time is up for it. You can still put answers onto your answer sheet but you can't flick back to read the question.

educationhelp

Hello all need help im in 6th year repeat....
i want to know something i heard as a rumor...
1.you cant do medicine in the uk if you repeat the leaving cert is this true???
2.I DID NOT DO CHEMISTRY THE FIRST TIME OF THE LEAVING WILL I GET CONDITIONAL ADMISSION BECAUSE OF THIS IN THE UK???

I HAVE DONE THE UKCAT TESTS AND APPLIED THROUGH UCAS ETC...

PLEASE REPLY
thanks:(

partyatmygaff

It depends on where you apply. A lot of UK unis don't accept repeats and almost all of them require chemistry.

theowen

partyatmygaff wrote: »

It depends on where you apply. A lot of UK unis don't accept repeats and almost all of them require chemistry.

I was under the impression you could leave out the fact that you're a repeat?

educationhelp

partyatmygaff wrote: »

It depends on where you apply. A lot of UK unis don't accept repeats and almost all of them require chemistry.

i do chemistry now but i am a repeat can i leave out the fact im repeating as theowen said?

samehere

Is anyone considering doing the med entry hpat course to prepare for the HPAT?

I am going to do it but would rather if another could enrole with me, saving 40% of the fee each!

doctorg

samehere wrote: »

Is anyone considering doing the med entry hpat course to prepare for the HPAT?

I am going to do it but would rather if another could enrole with me, saving 40% of the fee each!

Hey I am thinking to that course aswell but I hear that they are a scam??
If not then I can definitely enrole with you.!

Are there anyother courses??

samehere

i think this is the only option for me so i've to do it

doctorg

samehere wrote: »

i think this is the only option for me so i've to do it

oh, I think I might enrole with you to get that 40% discount :rolleyes:

Bbbbolger

Just wondering. Say you get to the last few seconds of the HPAT with questions left to do. If you just randomly filled in answers without looking at them would the ones you get wrong bring down your score? Or is it simply the amount of questions you get right get counted up?

samehere

doctorg wrote: »

oh, I think I might enrole with you to get that 40% discount :rolleyes:

then quickly make ur mind up and pm me as i've already formed a little group and you can join it if you want to do it . hurry!!!:P

QueenOfLeon

Bbbbolger wrote: »

Just wondering. Say you get to the last few seconds of the HPAT with questions left to do. If you just randomly filled in answers without looking at them would the ones you get wrong bring down your score? Or is it simply the amount of questions you get right get counted up?

You only get marks for correct answers, and just no marks for wrong ones...theres no negative marking

doctorg

samehere wrote: »

then quickly make ur mind up and pm me as i've already formed a little group and you can join it if you want to do it . hurry!!!:P

I am just not too sure I hear its just a biiiiig scam.
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1532048 read all the reviews!

Has anyone here done any course which they found useful??

doctorg

samehere wrote: »

then quickly make ur mind up and pm me as i've already formed a little group and you can join it if you want to do it . hurry!!!:P

I made up my Mind I will do the course with you! But I might be able to get a scholarship( get someone from the school as why you should get one). If I don;t get one then I will pay!

sparagon

How many people here want medicine?
Many repeats?
What's your first choice of college?
What are you aiming for in LC and HPAT?

seriouslysweet

Hopefully 580 or 590 in LC and as high as possible in HPAT!

dynamot

currently have 560 and hoping for 300 in the Hpat!

partyatmygaff

Aiming for a 550 LC and a high HPAT. TCD/RCSI Medicine.

sparagon

I don't know if dynamot is being sarcastic or not with 300 in HPAT?:p

Chuchoter

Aiming for as high as possible in everything, 560 points minimum plus good HPAT. Hopefully I'll get into Trinity.

Ciaramb92

Thinking about it.. Completely confused though!

Aiming for 535 LC and 200 HPAT