2006 VW Passat problem- Fuel injector 2nd failure in 10 months

crosshair1

Here is the official test from audi - erwin, clearly its not a fuel related issue.

Tea 1000

Sitec wrote: »

Just read this thread, I'm fairly shocked by Volkswagen Ireland to be honest.

People with cars worth 10k+ and they will not accept liability for a fault.

It's a known fault if Volkswagen UK will replace all of the injectors if one fail they're not just replacing them for no reason.

I worked for Isuzu and we recalled EVERY Isuzu Trooper 3.0D and replaced all the injectors for free. We replaced the looms for free if the plastic connector was brittle from oil.
All these injectors were replaced in 2009. Even jeeps that were ten years old were called in and given new injectors which were worth more than the vehicle.

IMO a full re-call should be done on all vehicles effected before something serious happens.

It's always the way in Ireland dealers and networks are miles behind the UK.

In every aspect.

If VW Ireland and UK decided to replace all injectors on all cars, they'd almost go to the wall! THere are probably 300 VAG engines for every one Trooper in this country, probably similar ratio to the UK!
Annoying and all as it is that there are dodgy injectors, I don't blame VW for not recalling them all!

macken04

While a recall may not be the best course of action, replacing faulty injectors should be. Three injectors have been replaced in my dad 2006 passat. If you google vw passat, vw passat injector problems is a suggested search so clearly there are issues.

Tea 1000

macken04 wrote: »

While a recall may not be the best course of action, replacing faulty injectors should be. Three injectors have been replaced in my dad 2006 passat. If you google vw passat, vw passat injector problems is a suggested search so clearly there are issues.

I agree, they should change them out of goodwill when there's a known fault.

beherenow

Just an update on my Octavia Vrs (Siemens Injector failure *4)

Main dealer stated bad diesel caused the failure. VW Ireland are throwing me back to the main dealer. (I'd say VW Ireland were going to replace the injectors on a goodwill basis until they heard it was "bas diesel")

Even though I have a fuel analysis report saying the diesel i was given by the main dealer is fine but mysteriously, the main dealer's sample is showing excess water??

Over in UK, Audi/Skoda/VW/Seat are replacing the effected injectors with upgraded ones with new part numbers and a wiring loom, also new and improved. No re-call though even though it is a complete safety issue when they fail due to sudden no warning loss of all power etc..

Anyway, I'm going to leave my solicitor try and make some headway, I've kept all receipts and plenty of e-mail correspondences with both VW Ireland and the main dealer. I think they are hoping I just go away and pay over €3000... Have lost total faith with the VAG Group..

One question, anyone know a good and competent VAG/Skoda specialist in the Limerick/Clare area or anywhere bordering?

Not paying a penny to the main dealer so might get an Indy to source and fit the upgraded parts.

Tea drinker

Tea 1000 wrote: »

If VW Ireland and UK decided to replace all injectors on all cars, they'd almost go to the wall! THere are probably 300 VAG engines for every one Trooper in this country, probably similar ratio to the UK!
Annoying and all as it is that there are dodgy injectors, I don't blame VW for not recalling them all!

Still, it was ok for VW to make a profit on all those cars, as with Isuzu on the volume they sold. But when it comes to honouring their commitments..... yeah right. Service in UK seems reasonable though.

beherenow

Yes, from all accounts, VW/Audi/Skoda UK customer services, after little bit of force from the consumers, have been quite professional in their reaction to the many BMN 170Bhp 2:0L diesel Injector failures.

On the other hand, I can personally vouch for the VW Ire team at Liffey Valley in Dublin have been nothing but unhelpful and tryed everything including ignoring me/ sending me round in circles etc. Now they refuse point blank to acknowledge any problem with the affected injectors even though their colleagues are replacing all affected injectors on a pre-emptive basis on all affected VAG vehicles up to 7 years old.

I assume there aren't AS many 170Bhp A4's/Octavia's/Passats as there are in UK so they would hope people will just pay when the injectors fail as most would not know about the fault with the injectors and wiring loom in this particular model.

Also the main dealer also seem to just want the money also.

I even have correspondence from the Vehicle Standard section of the RSA stating that VW Ire would replace all injectors. But they have played the "bad fuel" get out of jail card with me....

Any one know a VAG specialist whom I could take my Octavia Vrs to in the Limerick/ Clare or surrounding areas?

I ain't giving the dealer a penny....!

bibi-phoque

Just reviving this thread...Looking at replacing our VW Bora by a Passat 2006-2007 2.0TDI (140hp). Have seen a few already but is there anything I can check in regard to injectors? So far, the cars I have seen have all been serviced regularly. Nobody mentioned anything about injectors (obviously). Budget is 10k€ which would stretch to the new common rail engine. I also drove the 1.9TDI which I didn't like compared to the 2.0TDI (not 6th gear on it also).

Is VW changing those injectors for free now?

Any recommendations?

Michael5694

Purchased in Jan 2009 . Have had three motorway breakdowns due to fuel injector failures. Injector 3 failed Oct 2009 mileage 50332, Injector 2 Jun 2010 mileage 55759, Injector 1 Sep 2011 mileage 66215 . On last failure replaced both injectors 1 and 4 . Total cost about €4000 . This shows when one fails ,these siemens injectors will all eventually go. Requested goodwill from VW Irl , to no avail. There answer was " As you are aware, the Manufacturer Warranty runs for a period of two years. Correctly, after this period expires there is no right for further coverage.Volkswagen do operate a goodwill policy whereby an authorised retailer can make representation to see if there is any sort of coverage available towards replacement costs. These are considered on a case-by-case basis. Unfortunately due to the fact that your vehicle is over 4 years out of warranty, Volkswagen Ireland are unable to contribute to the repair costs in this case." VW Irl just do not care one bit about their customers. Asked Toyota a Q re a Rav 4 - They answered in 4 hours. Asked VW Irl a Q re injectors - They answered in 2 weeks only because I had sent an email thru VW Germany. My knowledge is that this problem affects 4 valve 2.0 PD engines - Audi A3 / A4 170 BHP 2.0 TDI , Passat 140 BHP & Skoda Superb.

beherenow

bibi-phoque wrote: »

Just reviving this thread...Looking at replacing our VW Bora by a Passat 2006-2007 2.0TDI (140hp). Have seen a few already but is there anything I can check in regard to injectors? So far, the cars I have seen have all been serviced regularly. Nobody mentioned anything about injectors (obviously). Budget is 10k€ which would stretch to the new common rail engine. I also drove the 1.9TDI which I didn't like compared to the 2.0TDI (not 6th gear on it also).

Is VW changing those injectors for free now?

Any recommendations?

To be honest, a full service history or the opposite, would not be an indicator as to whether the injector would fail or not. There is a particular batch of the Siemens injector's with a particular part number.

I was speaking to Skoda UK and they informed me the the issue is two rubber seals degrade over time and allow hot oil etc. into the electronics of the injector and therefore resulting in a failure.

My situation was Octavia VRS bought in NI, one injector failed, VW Ireland are NOT replacing anything on a goodwill basis. Blamed everything on fuel!! Had an awful time with their Customer Service..

One call to Skoda UK, car got towed across the border and is now receiving an upgrade of all four injectors and wiring loom. And all free of charge. Hopefully will get her back on the road...

It seems that in your case, the 140BHP BMN might have the affected injectors. Part numbers for the injectors is the key.. I have these in an earlier post.

Vivok

My 06 diesel Passat broke down a week and half ago.. Also while I was driving on main road, with baby in back! Got car towed to independent garage where mechanic knows VW. He confirmed I needed new injectors. All four!! So brought car to VW dealer today. After all the research and reading was v afraid of the call however they just phoned to say they have diagnosed car with four failed injectors that are covered under a recall program. So they are replacing all injectors for free.
It seems there is a recall which covers the injectors. Pity they are not recalling before the car actually breaks down. I believe that is a safety issue. I was lucky that where I broke down there wasn't much traffic.

Tea drinker

What about your associated costs, the breakdown (insurance?) and the mechanic diagnosis?

Can't see how VW's with bonnet up and tow truck is helping make sales targets.

Vivok

Well that's true. Lucky I had breakdown assistance which covered the tows to the two garages. However I will have to pay my initial mechanic. Tis is my 2nd passat and I love driving them. Before I didn't even consider looking at other cars when I was buying my 2nd passat. I doubt that my next car will be one though... Unfortunately

_Kaiser_

Vivok wrote: »

Well that's true. Lucky I had breakdown assistance which covered the tows to the two garages. However I will have to pay my initial mechanic. Tis is my 2nd passat and I love driving them. Before I didn't even consider looking at other cars when I was buying my 2nd passat. I doubt that my next car will be one though... Unfortunately

Well like yourself, I'm on my 2nd Passat as well and fingers crossed mine hasn't had the dreaded (and potentially dangerous) injector failure fault yet.

Once you get into the 08/09 model run though they switched to the newer Common Rail engines though which don't have this fault apparently. Like most modern diesels though they are prone to other issues (like the flywheel going etc), but by all accounts the car itself is alright for the most part.

Also be wary if you decided to move to an A4/A6 or a Skoda as they shared the same engine as your/our Passat. Think the best idea would be to get a late 2010 "old" B6 model or maybe the new B7 as it's basically the same car as the B6 except for the bodywork.

Myself I'm hampered by the need for a diesel automatic but I must admit - despite what I said above - I'd very much like a nice 05+ A6 auto with a decent spec

NordicDiver

Vivok, what vw dealer did you use ?

Billzer04

I have a 06 2.0TDI 140bhp and have had no major issues with it over the past 2 years apart from steering column fault which was replaced under warranty, but was concerned after hearing about this Injector issue but received a recall letter yesterday 14/12 to replace my injectors ..

-Corkie-

Billzer04 wrote: »

I have a 06 2.0TDI 140bhp and have had no major issues with it over the past 2 years apart from steering column fault which was replaced under warranty, but was concerned after hearing about this Injector issue but received a recall letter yesterday 14/12 to replace my injectors ..

Is yours a UK car or a Irish car. Thats a intresting piece of info.

Billzer04

-Corkie- wrote: »

Is yours a UK car or a Irish car. Thats a intresting piece of info.

It`s uk m8

-Corkie-

Billzer04 wrote: »

It`s uk m8

I was kind of thinking that. Cheers.

Moanin

Billzer04 wrote: »

It`s uk m8

Who sent you the letter? Was it VW UK or VW Ireland?

Billzer04

Moanin wrote: »

Who sent you the letter? Was it VW UK or VW Ireland?

Hi there i live in Aberdeenshire, Scotland, The letter has actually came from VOSA, it basically said to contact your nearest VW dealer to have the injectors replaced. When i contacted my VW dealer i gave them the reg number of car and said i had received a recall letter and she automatically said that`ll be for the injectors, i was basically told to drop it off as soon as possible to get the injectors replaced and i will get a courtesy car at no cost to myself!!!

Billzer04

Just looked at letter again, the envelope has Vosa on it and the letter inside has come from, Volkswagen passenger cars, Customer Services Sheffield.

MAJJ

Hi Billzer04,

That's great news for you and others in the UK. Maybe you could scan and load that letter as folks here can use for leverage. I assume it's a recall for serious safety reasons and they must relent here soon too.

Thanks,
MAJJ

Billzer04

MAJJ wrote: »

Hi Billzer04,

That's great news for you and others in the UK. Maybe you could scan and load that letter as folks here can use for leverage. I assume it's a recall for serious safety reasons and they must relent here soon too.

Thanks,
MAJJ

Here you go

http://www.flickr.com/photos/67445971@N05/6515598807/

_Kaiser_

Billzer04 wrote: »

Here you go

http://www.flickr.com/photos/67445971@N05/6515598807/

Cheers.. have downloaded that in case I ever find myself needing it

_Kaiser_

This might be of interest to people here...

I just booked my (southern) car in to VW Enniskillen for it's next service (as I always do) and the guy there told me that the chassis number shows it as needing the injector recall so they're doing that as well for free under that recall.

I rang him back then specifically to confirm that this is covered even though it's a southern car and yes it is!

Might be worth checking out if anyone is having bother with VW Ireland.

-Corkie-

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

This might be of interest to people here...

I just booked my (southern) car in to VW Enniskillen for it's next service (as I always do) and the guy there told me that the chassis number shows it as needing the injector recall so they're doing that as well for free under that recall.

I rang him back then specifically to confirm that this is covered even though it's a southern car and yes it is!

Might be worth checking out if anyone is having bother with VW Ireland.

Just out of intrest will you ring your local dealer if you get time and see have they any details on this.

Cheers

EPM

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

This might be of interest to people here...

I just booked my (southern) car in to VW Enniskillen for it's next service (as I always do) and the guy there told me that the chassis number shows it as needing the injector recall so they're doing that as well for free under that recall.

I rang him back then specifically to confirm that this is covered even though it's a southern car and yes it is!

Might be worth checking out if anyone is having bother with VW Ireland.

Ring them again to be sure! Hope that happens for you. It would be nice, especially as you have a few miles up too.

_Kaiser_

-Corkie- wrote: »

Just out of intrest will you ring your local dealer if you get time and see have they any details on this.

Cheers

I'll give them a buzz in the morning and see what they say.

EPM wrote: »

Ring them again to be sure! Hope that happens for you. It would be nice, especially as you have a few miles up too.

Definitely. It's down to be done anyway. His answer was that if it's down against the chassis number (and it is apparently) then they'll be doing it under that recall. It's booked in for the end of the month anyway so we'll see then. Might ring another NI dealer to see if they confirm it though.

EPM

In hindsight... Say nowt until it's fixed!